Conditions aside, all this Work Programme/(non) apprenticeship rubbish is undermining what little real jobs there are.
My son has been working it IT for two years on various contracts. With his current contract due to finish soon, he applied for a position with much less pay than he is used to but had the advantage of being permanent. The company looked very good and they were very impressed with his cv and samples of his work. On finding out the location and cost of travel, my son decided to withdraw his application. The company practically begged him to come for an interview, insisting that for someone of his calibre, they were prepared to negotiate.
So he spent a small fortune to get to the interview and all went well until he was asked his age. Upon discovering he was only 19, the whiff of government grants and free labour proved too much for them and they proceeded to downgrade everything they were previously raving about in an attempt to bamboozle him into some shoddy work experience. Needless to say, my son told them where they could put their offer.
Good for your son
the WP is a flop as it doesn't make a difference
So lowest-common-denominator wins, ethics be darned?
Read my posts, thats not what I said.
LCD only wins if it has general support. Both on the output side and the supply side. You cant have your cake and eat it, or not for long, without affecting the strength of your economy either in terms of employment or currency strength.
If you wish to provide high wages, they will lead to high prices. Its inevitable. If you want cheap goods from abroad, expect high unemployment, where wage inflation will fall.
That is the price of an artificial wage rate, and we are now seeing it kick in. Its not idealism, its market reality.
Ah if you do not support the exploitation of the unemployed , you are anti British and hate the Queen, and most probably a traitor to boot
Bizarre isn't it? I enjoyed watching the event but I don't like to think people down on their luck were exploited by some securty firm either.Plus you can bet the firm involved wasn't shy in billing us. Somehow that makes me some anti-British feminist lesbian who hates the Queen(even though I'm male) in the right wing boys book of politics.
Point proven. The right wingers are getting desperate and have to resort to desperate measures to try to deny and smear this scandal.
So, as I asked before, why are the Government and right wing commentators being so defensive - what have they got to hide?
So, let me get this straight: you've all spoken to these people and none of them ever wanted to come to the Jubilee because they have no time for the Queen? They all were frog marched onto the bus and told that's what they had to do? Not one of them actually wanted to put themselves to good use and honour someone they have admired all of their lives? Oh no, not one of them?
LCD only wins if it has general support. Both on the output side and the supply side. You cant have your cake and eat it, or not for long, without affecting the strength of your economy either in terms of employment or currency strength.
If you wish to provide high wages, they will lead to high prices. Its inevitable. If you want cheap goods from abroad, expect high unemployment, where wage inflation will fall.
That is the price of an artificial wage rate, and we are now seeing it kick in. Its not idealism, its market reality.
Strange but it is not, or rather the devil is in the detail, cheap goods. One way to compete with cheap goods made with exploitative wages is to pay your workers for their ability to produce quality goods. You do not attempt to compete with low quality , mass produced goods supplied by countries with poor worker protection, you produce far superior goods manufactured by a well educated, motivated workforce. You play to your strengths not to your opponents. Trouble with most right leaning people on here is that they fail to see that cost is not the absolute determinant .
So, let me get this straight: you've all spoken to these people and none of them ever wanted to come to the Jubilee because they have no time for the Queen? They all were frog marched onto the bus and told that's what they had to do? Not one of them actually wanted to put themselves to good use and honour someone they have admired all of their lives? Oh no, not one of them?
Are those the facts?
You missed the fact that they were not all paid for their labours, and the ones that were, we're paid a pittance. Asking to be paid at least the NMW does not make you a traitor;)
Strange but it is not, or rather the devil is in the detail, cheap goods. One way to compete with cheap goods made with exploitative wages is to pay your workers for their ability to produce quality goods. You do not attempt to compete with low quality , mass produced goods supplied by countries with poor worker protection, you produce far superior goods manufactured by a well educated, motivated workforce. You play to your strengths not to your opponents. Trouble with most right leaning people on here is that they fail to see that cost is not the absolute determinant .
They also seem to ignore the one pertinent fact.
Average house pricing at 8 times the CURRENT average salary.
We cant have a race to the bottom , because our infrastructures base cost of living precludes it. You see, if a company pays someone £2 an hour, that isnt enough to live on, so guess who picks up the tab. Tax payers, in working tax credits.
Superwomble is basically asking for less cost to business at the expense of drastic raises in taxation to cover the benefits required to make up for the wages defecit.
In other words, the largest corporate benefit scheme in history.
Its odd that people being subsidised by tax is 'scroungers' and bad, but businesses being subsidised by massive benefit expenditure is some panacea.
That, or the poster in question hasnt a clue of the economics of the lowest wages possible.
Me too young ecco. I hope that you had a lovely time. Republicans vanquished! We love our Queen.
I did thank you Mr Humphries, I am sure you did too! Long live our Britannic Majesty. This has been a wonderful weekend and I've been so proud to be British. We need more of this: move the May Day holiday to make it a Pride of Britain day, and add another in the Autumn for our wonderful armed forces. I'm fed up with all this slagging off of our country.
What black cloud?
Other than the rain clouds?
As other posters said, it was a great four days and we all thoroughly enjoyed the Jubilee.
Next time they should ask for volenteers and I reckon there will be thousands who would apply as they would get the chance to attend and get their transport costs paid.
I did thank you Mr Humphries, I am sure you did too! Long live our Britannic Majesty. This has been a wonderful weekend and I've been so proud to be British. We need more of this: move the May Day holiday to make it a Pride of Britain day, and add another in the Autumn for our wonderful armed forces. I'm fed up with all this slagging off of our country.
Yep people who slag of GB are traitors. It is a sign of a mature democracy that people can question and , if needed, criticise the established order of things, it is one of the things that makes Britain , Great.
I did thank you Mr Humphries, I am sure you did too! Long live our Britannic Majesty. This has been a wonderful weekend and I've been so proud to be British. We need more of this: move the May Day holiday to make it a Pride of Britain day, and add another in the Autumn for our wonderful armed forces. I'm fed up with all this slagging off of our country.
Moaning is British. It's our character! And I'm proud of Britain the way it is, thank you. I'm fed up of people trying to subvert that pride and turn us into some sort of jingoistic militarised nation to further some nefarious and shady political agenda.
What black cloud?
Other than the rain clouds?
As other posters said, it was a great four days and we all thoroughly enjoyed the Jubilee.
Next time they should ask for volenteers and I reckon there will be thousands who would apply as they would get the chance to attend and get their transport costs paid.
Isn't that what is happening with the olympics?
Even volunteers should be protected from people who wish to exploit them , simply to line their own pockets. Why pick on the volunteers , pick on the morally bankrupt, carpet bagging , corporate welfare cheats. Why do the unemployed have to be whiter than white but he corporate welfare cheats have to be immune from the moral consensus .
Yep people who slag of GB are traitors. It is a sign of a mature democracy that people can question and , if needed, criticise the established order of things, it is one of the things that makes Britain , Great.
I think some people just hate Britain, our democracy and what we stand for.;)
Moaning is British. It's our character! And I'm proud of Britain the way it is, thank you. I'm fed up of people trying to subvert that pride and turn us into some sort of jingoistic militarised nation to further some nefarious and shady political agenda.
Agreed.
But wouldn't you agree that there's just as much of an agenda on show from those who constantly moan about the country?
Even volunteers should be protected from people who wish to exploit them , simply to line their own pockets. Why pick on the volunteers , pick on the morally bankrupt, carpet bagging , corporate welfare cheats. Why do the unemployed have to be whiter than white but he corporate welfare cheats have to be immune from the moral consensus .
I think the point about being a volunteer is that volunteers are quite happy to put up with what's being offered.
Why the hell should it be up to anyone else to take issue on their behalf?
Mind your own business and let people mind theirs.
So, let me get this straight: you've all spoken to these people and none of them ever wanted to come to the Jubilee because they have no time for the Queen? They all were frog marched onto the bus and told that's what they had to do? Not one of them actually wanted to put themselves to good use and honour someone they have admired all of their lives? Oh no, not one of them?
Are those the facts?
Is this a joke? Because I'm missing the punchline.
The vast majority - royalist or republican - have seen what the individuals have gone through and been disgusted at how these individuals have been treated. Without the need to bring the Queen or patriotism into it.
If it is considered patriotic to be exploited, messed about and stripped of dignity, think I'll launch a raft to a civilised society that gives a damn to people doing work.
I think the point about being a volunteer is that volunteers are quite happy to put up with what's being offered.
Why the hell should it be up to anyone else to take issue on their behalf?
Mind your own business and let people mind theirs.
They are entitled to legal protection from the law even if unpaid. And even then, I would be skepitcal of any claims made to save face by the organisations concerned.
Strange but it is not, or rather the devil is in the detail, cheap goods. One way to compete with cheap goods made with exploitative wages is to pay your workers for their ability to produce quality goods. You do not attempt to compete with low quality , mass produced goods supplied by countries with poor worker protection, you produce far superior goods manufactured by a well educated, motivated workforce. You play to your strengths not to your opponents. Trouble with most right leaning people on here is that they fail to see that cost is not the absolute determinant .
I absolutely agree in principle, but it isnt actually what has been happening. Far east countries like China have been waging an economic war against us - they have not only been producing cheap goods, they have been completely eliminating all competition by pricing it utterly out of the market.
To defend ourselves against such tactics we needed to level the playing field at the country level, not at the domestic wages level, which is basically artificial, and absolutely playing to the strengths of the importers. Now that they have the upper hand, and the debts are with us - we are being very limited in our room to maneouvre, and are being forced to play them at their own game instead.
The important thing was not to put ourselves at debt disadvantage in the first place. It weakens our hand.
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the WP is a flop as it doesn't make a difference
Read my posts, thats not what I said.
LCD only wins if it has general support. Both on the output side and the supply side. You cant have your cake and eat it, or not for long, without affecting the strength of your economy either in terms of employment or currency strength.
If you wish to provide high wages, they will lead to high prices. Its inevitable. If you want cheap goods from abroad, expect high unemployment, where wage inflation will fall.
That is the price of an artificial wage rate, and we are now seeing it kick in. Its not idealism, its market reality.
Bizarre isn't it? I enjoyed watching the event but I don't like to think people down on their luck were exploited by some securty firm either.Plus you can bet the firm involved wasn't shy in billing us. Somehow that makes me some anti-British feminist lesbian who hates the Queen(even though I'm male) in the right wing boys book of politics.
So, as I asked before, why are the Government and right wing commentators being so defensive - what have they got to hide?
Perhaps they have been to The Guardian School of Morality.
Are those the facts?
Certainly old boy, as soon as you stop with the nonsense posts:D
You missed the fact that they were not all paid for their labours, and the ones that were, we're paid a pittance. Asking to be paid at least the NMW does not make you a traitor;)
They also seem to ignore the one pertinent fact.
Average house pricing at 8 times the CURRENT average salary.
We cant have a race to the bottom , because our infrastructures base cost of living precludes it. You see, if a company pays someone £2 an hour, that isnt enough to live on, so guess who picks up the tab. Tax payers, in working tax credits.
Superwomble is basically asking for less cost to business at the expense of drastic raises in taxation to cover the benefits required to make up for the wages defecit.
In other words, the largest corporate benefit scheme in history.
Its odd that people being subsidised by tax is 'scroungers' and bad, but businesses being subsidised by massive benefit expenditure is some panacea.
That, or the poster in question hasnt a clue of the economics of the lowest wages possible.
That, I think, could be the answer
Other than the rain clouds?
As other posters said, it was a great four days and we all thoroughly enjoyed the Jubilee.
Next time they should ask for volenteers and I reckon there will be thousands who would apply as they would get the chance to attend and get their transport costs paid.
Isn't that what is happening with the olympics?
Moaning is British. It's our character! And I'm proud of Britain the way it is, thank you. I'm fed up of people trying to subvert that pride and turn us into some sort of jingoistic militarised nation to further some nefarious and shady political agenda.
Even volunteers should be protected from people who wish to exploit them , simply to line their own pockets. Why pick on the volunteers , pick on the morally bankrupt, carpet bagging , corporate welfare cheats. Why do the unemployed have to be whiter than white but he corporate welfare cheats have to be immune from the moral consensus .
I think some people just hate Britain, our democracy and what we stand for.;)
Agreed.
But wouldn't you agree that there's just as much of an agenda on show from those who constantly moan about the country?
I think the point about being a volunteer is that volunteers are quite happy to put up with what's being offered.
Why the hell should it be up to anyone else to take issue on their behalf?
Mind your own business and let people mind theirs.
The vast majority - royalist or republican - have seen what the individuals have gone through and been disgusted at how these individuals have been treated. Without the need to bring the Queen or patriotism into it.
If it is considered patriotic to be exploited, messed about and stripped of dignity, think I'll launch a raft to a civilised society that gives a damn to people doing work.
I absolutely agree in principle, but it isnt actually what has been happening. Far east countries like China have been waging an economic war against us - they have not only been producing cheap goods, they have been completely eliminating all competition by pricing it utterly out of the market.
To defend ourselves against such tactics we needed to level the playing field at the country level, not at the domestic wages level, which is basically artificial, and absolutely playing to the strengths of the importers. Now that they have the upper hand, and the debts are with us - we are being very limited in our room to maneouvre, and are being forced to play them at their own game instead.
The important thing was not to put ourselves at debt disadvantage in the first place. It weakens our hand.