You see, I had a bad stammer when I was young and still sometimes slur my words a little or babble, which can be a little detrimental to my pronunciation. Also, because I stammered and had to repeat things for people, I can 'shut down' and feel awkward if people ask me to repeat things, even if it's legitimate due to noise or something.
So I tend not to be a judgemental areshole when it comes to how people speak As long as meaning is clear, it's more important what people say.
Seemingly gaining in popularity...."they learned me what to do"...
Yes, those both drive me crackers as well. In addition to "Can you borrow me a tenner?" I've also heard, "Can I lend your phone?" NO! No you can't! You can BORROW it!
You see, I had a bad stammer when I was young and still sometimes slur my words a little or babble, which can be a little detrimental to my pronunciation. Also, because I stammered and had to repeat things for people, I can 'shut down' and feel awkward if people ask me to repeat things, even if it's legitimate due to noise or something.
So I tend not to be a judgemental areshole when it comes to how people speak As long as meaning is clear, it's more important what people say.
But don't you think that there's a big difference between not being able to pronounce something (or appearing to be unable to pronounce something) because of say, a stutter or a stammer - and just plain laziness, or bad grammar? And when people can't get things right, it means that the meaning isn't always clear!
But don't you think that there's a big difference between not being able to pronounce something (or appearing to be unable to pronounce something) because of say, a stutter or a stammer - and just plain laziness, or bad grammar? And when people can't get things right, it means that the meaning isn't always clear!
Well for one, I find it offensive when people correct, or ostentatiously misunderstand someone because they've pronounced something wrong - especially when you can tell they actually know what the person meant and they're just being deliberately mean.
It's a really lazy way of dismissing someone, and even if it's not used in a dismissive way, I know how it feels to be blindsided like that when you're trying to express yourself.
I agree that bad grammar and pronunciation can occasionally make meaning difficult to interpret, but if you DO have a high level of comprehension, you can normally understand what people mean without having to correct them.
It is generally recognised that the word 'get' is rather clumsy and should be avoided if at all possible. I edit my parish magazine, and if I carelessly let a 'get' past me, my proofreader always tells me to change it. And she is quite right!
Quite right. When I was 10 I remember my teacher going on a 20 minute rant about the use of got and get. He insisted that they were not real words and completely unnecessary. It was caused by me saying something like, 'I've got to leave early for football because I've got to get changed'. In front of the whole class he made me correct myself in to saying, 'I need to leave early for football as I have to change'.
I also cannot stand:
'could of' instead of 'could've'
'arks' instead of 'ask'
HD pronounced as 'haitch dee' when it should be 'aitch dee'
'demond' instead of 'demon'
'drownd' instead of 'drown' especially where the past participle becomes 'drownded' instead of 'drowned'
Maybe it's cos my parents were sarcastic or summat but whenever I said "Can I have...." as a kid they'd just say "Of course you can" and then leave it at that, the implication being that they thought I was asking if it was okay for me to possess the thing rather than me actually requesting it.
So, for me, saying "Can I get..." seems like a better way of actually requesting a thing rather than just confirming whether it's allowed for me to possess it.
I think saying "may I have" makes it a request. When I was in school, most of the time if you asked "can I go to the toilet?" you'd get shot down with "I don't know, can you? If you can't you should probably see a doctor" or something equally droll. You'd only be allowed out if you asked "may I go to the toilet?"
Well for one, I find it offensive when people correct, or ostentatiously misunderstand someone because they've pronounced something wrong - especially when you can tell they actually know what the person meant and they're just being deliberately mean.
It's a really lazy way of dismissing someone, and even if it's not used in a dismissive way, I know how it feels to be blindsided like that when you're trying to express yourself.
I agree that bad grammar and pronunciation can occasionally make meaning difficult to interpret, but if you DO have a high level of comprehension, you can normally understand what people mean without having to correct them.
Point taken about deliberately mis-understanding things, when it's obvious what the person really meant.
I still think there is a huge difference between pronouncing something incorrectly, or apparently incorrectly because of a speech impediment, and just being lazy.
Yes, I do despair at the slipping standards of grammar! If people can't read or write properly, or even speak properly, what does that signify for their future?!
For some time I have been irked by Americans pronouncing thorough as furrow (or thurrow, if you prefer).
The last time I posted this some US members protested they didn't pronounce it that way, but I've recently sat through all 8 series of '24', and 'Jericho', and heard it used many times.
When they say, in FBI/crime scenes, "we'll do a furrow investigation", I imagine they're going to plough (furrow) a field, perhaps to look for a body.
Point taken about deliberately mis-understanding things, when it's obvious what the person really meant.
I still think there is a huge difference between pronouncing something incorrectly, or apparently incorrectly because of a speech impediment, and just being lazy.
Yes, I do despair at the slipping standards of grammar! If people can't read or write properly, or even speak properly, what does that signify for their future?!
Well I suppose there are three cases - when someone is doing deliberately to be cool, in which case it depends how irritating they are, if someone is just being sloppy, and someone who through no fault of their own doesn't know better.
I was really trying to get across that a lot of these people can be more self conscious of their lack of learning than a few people give them credit for, and then rant on.
I work with schools and see the same thing with kids with 'chavvy' names - the parent gives them some godawful name and it sticks like mud and they seem to struggle - sometimes because the teachers just don't expect much of them. They can then go their whole life being looked down upon when they were damned from the start and it annoys me.
Barth, parth, marths, larf. The sound is 'a' not 'ar'.
Persons originating from southern England (such as myself) pronounce Bath, Path and Laugh as Barth, Parth and Larth. Maths is pronounced as it is spelt, I have never heard it being pronounced as Marths, then again I do not like shortened versions of words and therefore say the full word Mathematics.
Glass, Pass and Past are pronounced here in southern England as Glarse, Parse and Parst.
Persons originating from southern England (such as myself) pronounce Bath, Path and Laugh as Barth, Parth and Larth. Maths is pronounced as it is spelt, I have never heard it being pronounced as Marths, then again I do not like shortened versions of words and therefore say the full word Mathematics.
Glass, Pass and Past are pronounced here in southern England as Glarse, Parse and Parst.
One of our local radio presenters who says Twenny as in Twenny Twenny cricket, Thirdy and Fordy, instead of Twenty,Thirty and Forty. It sounds horrible.
In some regions, it's 'haitch', despite what textbooks may say. Like in Dublin for example. Everybody, absolutely everybody, I encountered growing up pronounced it as 'haitch', even the so called posh people. When you are born into a region where a text book pronunciation is not used, you are going to learn a colloquialism, despite what purists may think. For me, listening to southern English saying 'aitch' made me laugh. Even now, after living in the UK for some years, 'aitch' still sounds wrong to me.
Get instead of have - as in 'Can I get a cup of coffee.'
[This one is my nemesis and can turn me quite violent!]
Train - instead of engine. A train is what its name implies - a long, complete, train of carriages or trucks, NOT the thing at the front that pulls them!
I feel much better now! :eek::eek::eek::mad:
Precisely the things that annoy me. Where did "train station" suddenly appear from ?
I'm a Countdown addict and when (usually) a youngster says "can I get a vowel" I usually hope they lose
Another one that annoys me on Countdown is when doing the numbers game someone says "take 10" instead of "deduct 10" or "take away ten".
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So I tend not to be a judgemental areshole when it comes to how people speak As long as meaning is clear, it's more important what people say.
Yes, those both drive me crackers as well. In addition to "Can you borrow me a tenner?" I've also heard, "Can I lend your phone?" NO! No you can't! You can BORROW it!
Anything Simon Cowell says is guaranteed to irritate me.
But don't you think that there's a big difference between not being able to pronounce something (or appearing to be unable to pronounce something) because of say, a stutter or a stammer - and just plain laziness, or bad grammar? And when people can't get things right, it means that the meaning isn't always clear!
Well for one, I find it offensive when people correct, or ostentatiously misunderstand someone because they've pronounced something wrong - especially when you can tell they actually know what the person meant and they're just being deliberately mean.
It's a really lazy way of dismissing someone, and even if it's not used in a dismissive way, I know how it feels to be blindsided like that when you're trying to express yourself.
I agree that bad grammar and pronunciation can occasionally make meaning difficult to interpret, but if you DO have a high level of comprehension, you can normally understand what people mean without having to correct them.
Quite right. When I was 10 I remember my teacher going on a 20 minute rant about the use of got and get. He insisted that they were not real words and completely unnecessary. It was caused by me saying something like, 'I've got to leave early for football because I've got to get changed'. In front of the whole class he made me correct myself in to saying, 'I need to leave early for football as I have to change'.
I also cannot stand:
'could of' instead of 'could've'
'arks' instead of 'ask'
HD pronounced as 'haitch dee' when it should be 'aitch dee'
'demond' instead of 'demon'
'drownd' instead of 'drown' especially where the past participle becomes 'drownded' instead of 'drowned'
I think saying "may I have" makes it a request. When I was in school, most of the time if you asked "can I go to the toilet?" you'd get shot down with "I don't know, can you? If you can't you should probably see a doctor" or something equally droll. You'd only be allowed out if you asked "may I go to the toilet?"
and Mark Wright's pronunciation of "entourage"... sounds like "amoulage" ha ha ha (damn ITV adverts)
This - absolutely. I try and tell people that accept is the noun and except is the verb....to no avail.
Phonetically, it's pronounced Mar-e-le-bone. :cool:
Point taken about deliberately mis-understanding things, when it's obvious what the person really meant.
I still think there is a huge difference between pronouncing something incorrectly, or apparently incorrectly because of a speech impediment, and just being lazy.
Yes, I do despair at the slipping standards of grammar! If people can't read or write properly, or even speak properly, what does that signify for their future?!
The last time I posted this some US members protested they didn't pronounce it that way, but I've recently sat through all 8 series of '24', and 'Jericho', and heard it used many times.
When they say, in FBI/crime scenes, "we'll do a furrow investigation", I imagine they're going to plough (furrow) a field, perhaps to look for a body.
http://howjsay.com/index.php?word=thorough&submit=Submit
Actually dude you're wrong, it is not pronounced phonetically and is pronounced Marley-bone.
Well I suppose there are three cases - when someone is doing deliberately to be cool, in which case it depends how irritating they are, if someone is just being sloppy, and someone who through no fault of their own doesn't know better.
I was really trying to get across that a lot of these people can be more self conscious of their lack of learning than a few people give them credit for, and then rant on.
I work with schools and see the same thing with kids with 'chavvy' names - the parent gives them some godawful name and it sticks like mud and they seem to struggle - sometimes because the teachers just don't expect much of them. They can then go their whole life being looked down upon when they were damned from the start and it annoys me.
yet an American throws a plant out the window whereas you/we throw it out of the window ...
Persons originating from southern England (such as myself) pronounce Bath, Path and Laugh as Barth, Parth and Larth. Maths is pronounced as it is spelt, I have never heard it being pronounced as Marths, then again I do not like shortened versions of words and therefore say the full word Mathematics.
Glass, Pass and Past are pronounced here in southern England as Glarse, Parse and Parst.
How do you pronounce Ass then?.
In some regions, it's 'haitch', despite what textbooks may say. Like in Dublin for example. Everybody, absolutely everybody, I encountered growing up pronounced it as 'haitch', even the so called posh people. When you are born into a region where a text book pronunciation is not used, you are going to learn a colloquialism, despite what purists may think. For me, listening to southern English saying 'aitch' made me laugh. Even now, after living in the UK for some years, 'aitch' still sounds wrong to me.
That sounds right to me, how do you pronounce it?
If Americans take a plant "off of" a shelf,It makes me wonder why they don't put a plant "on of" the shelf.
Precisely the things that annoy me. Where did "train station" suddenly appear from ?
I'm a Countdown addict and when (usually) a youngster says "can I get a vowel" I usually hope they lose
Another one that annoys me on Countdown is when doing the numbers game someone says "take 10" instead of "deduct 10" or "take away ten".