The ideal scenario would be for Federer/Murray to start in the open air, win a game each or something, taking it to about 2:15, and then the rain comes! The roof closure process begins, and play resumes at about 3:00, giving the F1 chance to finish. Bingo.
I guess you could say 2.5m was below expectations. I'd not have gone as high as 3.5m anyway. Possibly not as low as 2.5m. Even if it had managed 3m, I doubt it would have held onto it. In short, it's a flop and it has looked like it would turn out that way for quite a while.
I saw an advert somewhere a couple of hours ago and it still hasn't served to answer any of my confusion as to what the show is all about.
In terms of lead-in and competition it had a lot going for it. It also has big names in different fields that I thought if would have seen it to at least 4m.
I do agree with you that I have no idea what the show is actually about and haven't seen it advertised.
I reckon the global audience for the British GP will be dented less by the overlap than the Mens Final will be. The F1 has the advantage of starting first.
So it's the All England old farts who will have questions to answer from sponsors, not Bernie. Yes, of course the UK audience will be hit badly, but that won't bother the FIA and the sport's backers from a global perspective.
It is the F1 that moves its races all over the calendar. Wimbledon is always the same two weeks. So it is Bernie & Co. that got it wrong.
Last year the Wimbledon final rated 5.49m (45.3%) on BBC One (+140,000 on BBC HD) between 1pm and 5.30pm.
British Grand Prix rated 4.89m (43.1%)
Could we see 3.5m average for the Grand Prix and an 8.0m average this year for Wimbledon?
If Wimbledon averaged 5.5m without Murray, I would suggest doubling that if he looks like winning it. If it is a straight sets Fed victory then 8m is likely.
I reckon the global audience for the British GP will be dented less by the overlap than the Mens Final will be. The F1 has the advantage of starting first.
So it's the All England old farts who will have questions to answer from sponsors, not Bernie. Yes, of course the UK audience will be hit badly, but that won't bother the FIA and the sport's backers from a global perspective.
Wimbledon is fixed in the diary last week of June first week of July....the date of the British Grand Prix seems to move.
Don't know if these will be of any interest but here's how the 2008 Wimbledon final rated. (Got these from Part 2 of the ratings thread :eek:)
Originally Posted by rzt
Sunday 6th July Overnights
BBC1
13.30- Wimbledon 2008 Men’s Final: 7.4m (38.8%)
* Match average: 8.6m (43.1%)
* 5-minute peak: 13.3m (47.1%) at 21.15
* 15-minute peak: 12.7m (45.0%) at 21.00-21.15
* Session 1: 14.35-16.50: 7.0m (46.3%)
* Session 2: 18.10-19.55: 9.5m (43.1%)
* Session 3: 20.20-21.20: 10.9m (39.1%)
* 118% above channel slot average.
21.30- Vicar of Dibley: 4.7m (18.9%)
22.00- BBC News: 6.0m (28.8%)
BBC2
18.25- Songs of Praise: 1.2m (5.5%)
19.00- Last of the Summer Wine: 1.7m (7.4%)
19.30- BBC News: 2.1m (8.4%)
20.00- Top Gear: 5.4m (19.9%)
21.00- 9/11: The Conspiracy Files: 2.4m (9.1%)
ITV1
12.00- F1: British Grand Prix: 4.4m (38%) *peak: 6.0m (14.30)
15.20- On Her Majesty's Secret Service: 1.5m (9.4%)
18.40- ITV News and Weather: 2.8m (13.4%)
19.00- The Royal: 4.0m (16.8%)
20.00- Midsomer Murders: 6.3m (23.7%)
22.00- ITV News: 3.0m (14.3%)
22.15- All New TV’s Naughtiest Blunders: 2.5m (15.9%)
Channel 4 (exc. +1)
21.00- Big Brother: 2.8m (10.5%)
22.00- Sunday Night Project: 1.7m (9.9%)
Five
20.00- Extraordinary People: 499,000 (1.8%)
21.00- Tears of the Sun: 996,0000 (4.7%)
The moment when Radael Nadal won, was one of the most watched television moments of the year.
Will this give any indication as to how this years final will rate? I think it could certainly top the 7.4 million average, maybe 10? Hard to say.
Interesting that C5 beat C4 handily last night (whether inc or exc +1) despite Marco's flop.
My first port of call this morning was C4 Sales which revealed the all-day share for yesterday was 4.5%, up 0.5 share points on the previous Thursday. So all seemed good at that point.
It seems the damage caused by Marco was cancelled out by improvements elsewhere.
Why should the FIA have rejigged the F1 calendar because the Wimbledon finals fall later this year?
Why not the All England old farts? F1 is far bigger than the annual tennis knockabout!
How ignorant - Wimbledon always begins between the 20th and 26th June, so isn't later this year.
To be fair to F1 it's not unusual for the British Grand Prix to be around this weekend too - but when they have a number of dates on which they could schedule it scheduling it one the day of one of the biggest sporting events not just in Britain, but around the world, is rather short sighted.
Err, how come it has rated around this level before then?
Err, not lately.
If you seriously believe last night's out of the ordinary episode, featuring a naturist hotel, had no bearing on the out of the ordinary ratings, let's resume this discussion next Friday morning.
Currently the 7pm hour on Channel 5 is just repeats, it'd be good for them to develop either hour long or two half hour programmes for that slot as it would definetly boost the rest of the schedule.
Next week's HI is against the rescheduled The Men who Made us Fat, Case Sensitive, Bank of Dave and When I Get Older so I think it'll be slightly down, what did CS get last year?
If you seriously believe last night's out of the ordinary episode, featuring a naturist hotel, had no bearing on the out of the ordinary ratings, let's resume this discussion next Friday morning.
I didn't say it had no bearing, did I? It's been widely received as one of the best / funniest ever episodes of the programme so of course that has a bearing.
But I dunno how it can be called a "freak" rating when it's rated at that level a few times before. The naturist angle wasn't pushed at all in promotional trailers for the show, so you had to seek out that info on the programme guide or listings. It makes sense to lead with an episode like that to get people talking more than anything else and get the series off to the best possible start to increase the likelihood that viewers return the following week.
It's perfectly possible there were other reasons for the rise. Thursday nights in Q3 is an altogether different proposition to Monday nights in Q4. And Alex may have won over some new viewers after her recent very successful BBC Two series.
Originally Posted by rzt
Sunday 6th July 2008 Overnights
BBC1
13.30- Wimbledon 2008 Men’s Final: 7.4m (38.8%)
ITV1
12.00- F1: British Grand Prix: 4.4m (38%)
Since 1998, I believe the Wimbledon Men's final has only clashed on one other occasion with the British Grand Prix, that was July 7th 2002, BBC1 had Wimbledon and ITV1 had the F1. Neither show made their respective channel top 30's.
From 2002 rough figures from Media Guardian
The scheduling clash between the Wimbledon Men's Final and the British Grand Prix yesterday left the tennis championship with one of its worst figures on record. Just 3.5m tuned in to see Lleyton Hewitt take the lawn tennis crown as audiences around the country were split. Another 3m sporting fans tuned in to Michael Schumacher's victory at Silverstone. Overall, the BBC's five-hour Wimbledon marathon averaged 4.1 million viewers and a 32% share of the viewing. The British grand prix proved less popular, averaging 3.2 million and a 30% share.
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This was the last england game I think brian called.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFcTVlLj8Q4
God I miss him. I used to chose ITV over the BBC just for Brian Moore. Real emotion.
In seriousness they should get Keegan back in the commentary box.
Ken
I do agree with you that I have no idea what the show is actually about and haven't seen it advertised.
It is the F1 that moves its races all over the calendar. Wimbledon is always the same two weeks. So it is Bernie & Co. that got it wrong.
So on Sunday we should have -
Last year the Wimbledon final rated 5.49m (45.3%) on BBC One (+140,000 on BBC HD) between 1pm and 5.30pm.
British Grand Prix rated 4.89m (43.1%)
Could we see 3.5m average for the Grand Prix and an 8.0m average this year for Wimbledon?
If Wimbledon averaged 5.5m without Murray, I would suggest doubling that if he looks like winning it. If it is a straight sets Fed victory then 8m is likely.
Wimbledon is fixed in the diary last week of June first week of July....the date of the British Grand Prix seems to move.
Err last year the British Grand Prix was 10 July a week after Wimbledon finnished.
That was the 3D simulcast - pretty impressive actually, didn't think there were so many sets out there, especially a year ago.
Originally Posted by rzt
Sunday 6th July Overnights
BBC1
13.30- Wimbledon 2008 Men’s Final: 7.4m (38.8%)
* Match average: 8.6m (43.1%)
* 5-minute peak: 13.3m (47.1%) at 21.15
* 15-minute peak: 12.7m (45.0%) at 21.00-21.15
* Session 1: 14.35-16.50: 7.0m (46.3%)
* Session 2: 18.10-19.55: 9.5m (43.1%)
* Session 3: 20.20-21.20: 10.9m (39.1%)
* 118% above channel slot average.
21.30- Vicar of Dibley: 4.7m (18.9%)
22.00- BBC News: 6.0m (28.8%)
BBC2
18.25- Songs of Praise: 1.2m (5.5%)
19.00- Last of the Summer Wine: 1.7m (7.4%)
19.30- BBC News: 2.1m (8.4%)
20.00- Top Gear: 5.4m (19.9%)
21.00- 9/11: The Conspiracy Files: 2.4m (9.1%)
ITV1
12.00- F1: British Grand Prix: 4.4m (38%) *peak: 6.0m (14.30)
15.20- On Her Majesty's Secret Service: 1.5m (9.4%)
18.40- ITV News and Weather: 2.8m (13.4%)
19.00- The Royal: 4.0m (16.8%)
20.00- Midsomer Murders: 6.3m (23.7%)
22.00- ITV News: 3.0m (14.3%)
22.15- All New TV’s Naughtiest Blunders: 2.5m (15.9%)
Channel 4 (exc. +1)
21.00- Big Brother: 2.8m (10.5%)
22.00- Sunday Night Project: 1.7m (9.9%)
Five
20.00- Extraordinary People: 499,000 (1.8%)
21.00- Tears of the Sun: 996,0000 (4.7%)
The moment when Radael Nadal won, was one of the most watched television moments of the year.
Will this give any indication as to how this years final will rate? I think it could certainly top the 7.4 million average, maybe 10? Hard to say.
It seems the damage caused by Marco was cancelled out by improvements elsewhere.
Lol, the race is not going to be cancelled at all under any circumstances.
T in the park is on my TV here.
To be fair to F1 it's not unusual for the British Grand Prix to be around this weekend too - but when they have a number of dates on which they could schedule it scheduling it one the day of one of the biggest sporting events not just in Britain, but around the world, is rather short sighted.
Well done Jeff Ford, who has correctly identified that Jay Hunt has screwed up C4 news, and that its audience is now there for the taking.
Err, not lately.
If you seriously believe last night's out of the ordinary episode, featuring a naturist hotel, had no bearing on the out of the ordinary ratings, let's resume this discussion next Friday morning.
Next week's HI is against the rescheduled The Men who Made us Fat, Case Sensitive, Bank of Dave and When I Get Older so I think it'll be slightly down, what did CS get last year?
But I dunno how it can be called a "freak" rating when it's rated at that level a few times before. The naturist angle wasn't pushed at all in promotional trailers for the show, so you had to seek out that info on the programme guide or listings. It makes sense to lead with an episode like that to get people talking more than anything else and get the series off to the best possible start to increase the likelihood that viewers return the following week.
It's perfectly possible there were other reasons for the rise. Thursday nights in Q3 is an altogether different proposition to Monday nights in Q4. And Alex may have won over some new viewers after her recent very successful BBC Two series.
Since 1998, I believe the Wimbledon Men's final has only clashed on one other occasion with the British Grand Prix, that was July 7th 2002, BBC1 had Wimbledon and ITV1 had the F1. Neither show made their respective channel top 30's.
From 2002 rough figures from Media Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/jul/09/overnights
I wonder if Alex will continue HI along with The Fixer, I'm sure she could do both, that's assuming the Fixer is renewed for another series.
She's appearing on The Wright Stuff on Thursday morning so maybe she'll reveal more about that then.
What I want to know is, what happened to those episodes they filmed abroad last year?
But I reckon the "naturist" aspect added a good 300 - 400k on to last night's audience.
It may have been boosted a bit more due to the absolutely dire offering on ITV1.
Was Jay Hunt behind the changes to Channel 4 News? It's still an excellent news programme.Jon Snow can't read an autocue though.