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Family Stopped From Boarding 1st Class Flight With 'Disruptive' Down's Syndrome Son

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Couldn't find a thread on this, sorry if it's been posted before.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198317/American-Airlines-refused-family-class-seats-captain-claimed-Downs-syndrome-son-disruptive.html

Anyone with an aversion to DM links can view a KTLA news report here
A family have claimed they were stopped from boarding a flight because their son has Down's Syndrome and was not wanted in the first class section.
Joan and Robert Vanderhorst are threatening to sue American Airlines after they say they were victims of discrimination over their 16 year old son Bede.
The couple claim as they waited to board their flight back to their home near Los Angeles they were told by airline staff they were not allowed to take their seats.
Airline staff allegedly told them their son was disruptive and a danger to the flight crew.
But Mrs Vanderhorst told KLTA TV that she began filming her son as he waited in the departure lounge showing him sitting silently waiting to board the flight at Newark, New Jersey.
In the video, she can be heard sobbing and her husband expressing disbelief.
'He's behaving,' Mr Vanderhorst says. 'He's demonstrating he's not a problem.'
'Of course he's behaving. He's never not behaved,' his wife added.
Mrs Vanderhorst told KLTA: 'I kept saying, "Is this only because he has Down's Syndrome?"'
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    Fifty quid says this decision was not taken by the airline purely because of the fact that he had Down's Syndrome.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,366
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    If (and I stress if) he wasn't being disruptive during his time at the airport, then AA certainly have discriminated against him.

    However....
    'Of course he's behaving. He's never not behaved,' his wife added

    Bullshit! I have a son with Down Syndrome and he has misbehaved....much like any child really!
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    swehsweh Posts: 13,665
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    Hmm... is that all to the story? How the heck would AA know if he had Down's Syndrome or not?

    Americans are so god damned hyper-litigious. I don't even see why that's news.
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    sweh wrote: »
    Hmm... is that all to the story?

    Nope. Even in the DM story, these essential nuggets of info are included:
    But American Airlines claims Bede was 'excitable, running around, and not acclimated to the environment'.

    They also said the pilot had unsuccessfully tried to calm him down while in the waiting area.

    'For the safety of the young man and the safety of others, American Airlines offered to book another flight for the family,' American Airlines spokesman Matt Miller told KTLA.
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    flashgordon1952flashgordon1952 Posts: 3,799
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    Fifty quid says this decision was not taken by the airline purely because of the fact that he had Down's Syndrome.
    I imagine the scene there is no way an airline should that child be taken on board ever !
    The parents are to be blamed they certainly would have known the child would have aincident while on board or boarding the aircraft and the airline should have notice this before they boarded.
    If they had spoken to mediclal services before boarding its likely they would have given the child an injection to keep him from distrupting the passengers. there is no doubt the airline would have allowed them on the plane under medical supervision (with luck the child would have been asleep all through the journey and no one the wiser and it would have been better for the child too.
    sounds to me the child didnot want to fly anyway and extremley frightened ..
    The parents are to be blmaed for the incident
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,366
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    Nope. Even in the DM story, these essential nuggets of info are included:

    Well, it sounds like AA were within their rights to refuse travel. I also wonder if they flew first class on their outward journey without being "discriminated" against.
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    Well, it sounds like AA were within their rights to refuse travel. I also wonder if they flew first class on their outward journey without being "discriminated" against.

    Indeed.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,366
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    I imagine the scene there is no way an airline should that child be taken on board ever !
    The parents are to be blamed they certainly would have known the child would have aincident while on board or boarding the aircraft and the airline should have notice this before they boarded.
    If they had spoken to mediclal services before boarding its likely they would have given the child an injection to keep him from distrupting the passengers. there is no doubt the airline would have allowed them on the plane under medical supervision (with luck the child would have been asleep all through the journey and no one the wiser and it would have been better for the child too.
    sounds to me the child didnot want to fly anyway and extremley frightened ..
    The parents are to be blmaed for the incident

    For some reason, this post disturbs me. Why should a child with Down syndrome be "injected" before they fly?
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    adopteradopter Posts: 11,937
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    I imagine the scene there is no way an airline should that child be taken on board ever !
    The parents are to be blamed they certainly would have known the child would have aincident while on board or boarding the aircraft and the airline should have notice this before they boarded.
    If they had spoken to mediclal services before boarding its likely they would have given the child an injection to keep him from distrupting the passengers. there is no doubt the airline would have allowed them on the plane under medical supervision (with luck the child would have been asleep all through the journey and no one the wiser and it would have been better for the child too.
    sounds to me the child didnot want to fly anyway and extremley frightened ..
    The parents are to be blmaed for the incident

    Oooh - chemical coshes for children on flights. Controversial but I like it!
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Gilbertoo wrote: »
    Well, it sounds like AA were within their rights to refuse travel. I also wonder if they flew first class on their outward journey without being "discriminated" against.
    You should read the whole thing . they had upgraded to 1st class. It seems that children wth Downs are not welcome in 1st class. Probably worried that he would put people off their champagne
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    You should read the whole thing . they had upgraded to 1st class. It seems that children wth Downs are not welcome in 1st class. Probably worried that he would put people off their champagne

    So should you, it seems.
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    You should read the whole thing . they had upgraded to 1st class. It seems that children wth Downs are not welcome in 1st class. Probably worried that he would put people off their champagne

    The quote provided by Hugh Jboobs does suggest that AA tried to calm the boy down, with the pilot even attempting to help. Offering them another flight doesn't sound like discrimination to me.
    But American Airlines claims Bede was 'excitable, running around, and not acclimated to the environment'.

    They also said the pilot had unsuccessfully tried to calm him down while in the waiting area.

    'For the safety of the young man and the safety of others, American Airlines offered to book another flight for the family,' American Airlines spokesman Matt Miller told KTLA.
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    Sid LawSid Law Posts: 4,736
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    If they had spoken to mediclal services before boarding its likely they would have given the child an injection to keep him from distrupting the passengers.

    Pity they couldn't do that to every child on every flight !
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    Sid Law wrote: »
    Pity they couldn't do that to every child on every flight !

    Pfft, my son is normally one of the best behaved people onboard. He loves the whole experience and I would hate for him to be given the "BA" treatment (as in The A-Team).
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    What's this?

    A doting self-righteous couple who take the view that any inconvenience to them simply MUST be prejudice and is worthy of litigation?

    I find it a little odd that the mother who saw fit to video her child sitting quietly while the parents argue with airline staff never saw fit to also video any of the situation that led to this.
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    So should you, it seems.

    Did you read more than the title:
    from the article
    The family, who have flown together dozens of times insist Bede was singled out on this occasion as they had upgraded to the first class section.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198317/American-Airlines-refused-family-class-seats-captain-claimed-Downs-syndrome-son-disruptive.html#ixzz25auvVLuF
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    Hugh JboobsHugh Jboobs Posts: 15,316
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    Did you read more than the title:
    from the article

    Yes. See post #5.

    And also #15. The relevant bit is repeated there.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    Did you read more than the title:
    from the article

    Or it could be that the kid was simply more excited than usual after being told they were flying first class for the first time.

    On balance, I think that's probably a more likely explanation than an airline enacting some policy of deliberate bigotry in order to protect the delicate sensibilities of their first class passengers.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Nope. Even in the DM story, these essential nuggets of info are included:
    But American Airlines claims Bede was 'excitable, running around, and not acclimated to the environment'.

    They also said the pilot had unsuccessfully tried to calm him down while in the waiting area.

    'For the safety of the young man and the safety of others, American Airlines offered to book another flight for the family,' American Airlines spokesman Matt Miller told KTLA.

    presumably had the lad injured himself they would have also sued.
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    Yes. See post #5.

    And also #15. The relevant bit is repeated there.

    see the post
    I also wonder if they flew first class on their outward journey without being "discriminated" against.

    So the answer is no as they had upgraded for this flight. Funny how they were refused when they upgraded to 1st class
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    see the post


    So the answer is no as they had upgraded for this flight. Funny how they were refused when they upgraded to 1st class

    maybe he wasn't doing whatever it was that they felt endangered his safety on the outbound flight.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    see the post


    So the answer is no as they had upgraded for this flight. Funny how they were refused when they upgraded to 1st class

    Don't you think it's likely that if AA were deliberately banning disabled people from 1st class (in order to avoid putting the fat-cats off their champagne) it might have been noticed before now?

    Or are we to assume this is the first time in 80 years that such a person has had the audacity to attempt to fly 1st class?
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    flagpole wrote: »
    maybe he wasn't doing whatever it was that they felt endangered his safety on the outbound flight.

    Like flying 1st class;)
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    tremetreme Posts: 5,445
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    Maybe it was "Gideon's" fault? Everything else is.
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