I have tried to keep up with this thread but it has run away from me... does anybody know whether or not Louis Theroux has made any comment since these allegations have come to light? It was his 'Louis Meets...' documentary which first made me deeply suspicious of JS, and I just wondered whether he had anything to say about what JS had said which didn't make the final edit?
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Originally Posted by Lilaeth There's still the matter of her saying her attacker stank of drink and sweat, when he's known for not drinking.
The piece I read only said that he smelt like her stepfather, but perhaps the drink bit was mentioned elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by rionia Plus the small matter of whether she was actually under age or not on the day that particular show was recorded in 1974 (as has been pointed out by others, her personal blog gives her age as 54 now, so she couldn't have been 14 at the time, has been reported)
LaVieEnRose at Today, 11:24
Has that ever been updated though? I did have a quick look at the GRO birth register and there are 3 entries for her name: 1954 and 1955, plus one in 1964 which can be ruled out
This post is in reply to LaVieEnRose I can't reply to the original post as the threads been locked original post in link ^^^ up there.
Glad this has been brought up, its something that has been bothering me for a couple for a couple of days , we know Karin went to Duncroft when she was 15 and left when she was 17
I found a post on an approved school forum about Duncroft
The Author is Kat (Survived) it was posted 30/04/2012
I was there 1970 to 72. The place would have caused a major scandal now! Drunken staff,sleazy doctors, poor disturbed girls drugged up to the eyeballs, weirdo psychiatrists, padded cells, the lot. I've never forgotten the feeling of being abandoned in that hole, it ruined my young life...rant over x
If that truly is Kat/Karin could her association which began at Duncroft with JS continued after she left Duncroft and she was still getting tickets for shows. If it is the case depending on the transmission date in 1974 that would make her 18/19years old. That might be why the BBC dismissed her claims because the ages she keeps giving don’t match up. She might have shaved a couple of years off her age and she's not 54 Just a thought.
I've also found this story, obviously i have no idea whether it's true, but interesting none-the-less: (Scroll right down to the end of the page, you'll see it)
Hooray for that guy : it's great to know that at least one man beat the living daylights out of him.
So much for the claims that Saville was menacing....when faced with violence from a real man, he couldn't cope.
Very interesting:rolleyes:, in case anyone doesn't know LGI is Leeds General Infirmary, so he had "a pass key to the student nurses' dorm" there and used to accidentally walk into the wrong rooms, or be in the showers after the nurse's shift ended
as I posted earlier, in this interview, he jokes about having a room in the nurse's quarters at Stoke Mandeville Hospital
and we know he did a very similar thing at Duncroft, walking through the girls dorm in the evening while the girls were getting changed. Were people in authority really so stupid in the 70s as to not see what this bloke was up to?
If that truly is Kat/Karin could her association which began at Duncroft with JS continued after she left Duncroft and she was still getting tickets for shows. If it is the case depending on the transmission date in 1974 that would make her 18/19years old..
LaVieenRose's birth dates are a red herring, Karin Ward's birth name is not Karin or Ward. I don't think it's helpful to keep speculating about her age to be honest, the police will be able to confirm how old she is.
BBC site saying most new allegations are in 1970s or 1980s. Interesting, given there was talk here of how little testimony there had been of incidents after early 1970s.
Very interesting:rolleyes:, in case anyone doesn't know LGI is Leeds General Infirmary, so he had "a pass key to the student nurses' dorm" there and used to accidentally walk into the wrong rooms, or be in the showers after the nurse's shift ended
as I posted earlier, in this interview, he jokes about having a room in the nurse's quarters at Stoke Mandeville Hospital
and we know he did a very similar thing at Duncroft, walking through the girls dorm in the evening while the girls were getting changed. Were people in authority really so stupid in the 70s as to not see what this bloke was up to?
LaVieenRose's birth dates are a red herring, Karin Ward's birth name is not Karin or Ward. I don't think it's helpful to keep speculating about her age to be honest, the police will be able to confirm how old she is.
Anecdotes about people beating up Jimmy Saville should be viewed with a pinch of salt,I'm fairly sure he could "handle" himself. Ex wrestler remember.
Problem with the JS situation is a)he's dead and b) anyone with a passing grievance or who brushed against him will now claim they were victims.
Not a popular opinion I know but how much of the claims are true in their nature?
Time/memory/context all play a part. Sure he probably got off with teenage girls but rape?! Colour me skeptical.
Very interesting:rolleyes:, in case anyone doesn't know LGI is Leeds General Infirmary, so he had "a pass key to the student nurses' dorm" there and used to accidentally walk into the wrong rooms, or be in the showers after the nurse's shift ended
as I posted earlier, in this interview, he jokes about having a room in the nurse's quarters at Stoke Mandeville Hospital
and we know he did a very similar thing at Duncroft, walking through the girls dorm in the evening while the girls were getting changed. Were people in authority really so stupid in the 70s as to not see what this bloke was up to?
I find the claims that staff at Dunroft were absolutely oblivious to what Saville was up to to be hogwash. Many people in other walks of life who knew him were very suspicious of Saville (fx the young student nurses at that hospital worked out he was a sexual pervert very quickly), and yet we're supposed to believe that Duncroft staff thought he was bona fide.
I strongly suspect that had even five or six girls at Duncroft alleged sexual abuse against Saville, nothing would have been done about it, which is all you need to know about how rotten the place was.
Anecdotes about people beating up Jimmy Saville should be viewed with a pinch of salt,I'm fairly sure he could "handle" himself. Ex wrestler remember.
Problem with the JS situation is a)he's dead and b) anyone with a passing grievance or who brushed against him will now claim they were victims.
Not a popular opinion I know but how much of the claims are true in their nature?
Time/memory/context all play a part. Sure he probably got off with teenage girls but rape?! Colour me skeptical.
If he was beaten up by a group of men, like all cowards he wouldn't have hit back - too many to retaliate against.
If anyone with 'a passing grievance' tries to make claims, I'm sure the authorities will find the truth and throw the case out. Rape, sexual assault, groping, all crimes - and child victims don't tend to lie about these things.
Anecdotes about people beating up Jimmy Saville should be viewed with a pinch of salt,I'm fairly sure he could "handle" himself. Ex wrestler remember.
Sorry, but I've just posted a video where he jokes about having a room in the nurse's quarters at Stoke Mandeville and we know he deliberately went through the girls dorm at Duncroft in the evening when they were getting changed. It fits in precisely with what that poster described at Leeds General Infirmary and him assaulting nurses and patients there.
The BBC just had someone from Scotland Yard on saying it is now clear Savile was a predatory sex offender.
Scot Yard have had complaints of sex abuse over four decades
Police say there could be 25 victims
Youngest alleged Victim is 13
Scot Yard has far recorded two rape allegations and six indecent assaults
Scot Yard has 120 lines of inquiry from alleged Victims, witnesses and third parties
NSPCC says they have had 21 allegations of sex abuse by others not Savile
NSPCC has had 17 allegations against Savile.
NSPCC set up hotline for victims 0800 800 5000
Earliest allegation from 1959
Surely they should be including the Jersey allegations where victims as young as 9 have been reported? I realize that has a different legal system, but this investigation will not be at all complete without including Haut de la Garenne.
I find the claims that staff at Dunroft were absolutely oblivious to what Saville was up to to be hogwash. Many people in other walks of life who knew him were very suspicious of Saville (fx the young student nurses at that hospital worked out he was a sexual pervert very quickly), and yet we're supposed to believe that Duncroft staff thought he was bona fide.
I strongly suspect that had even five or six girls at Duncroft alleged sexual abuse against Saville, nothing would have been done about it, which is all you need to know about how rotten the place was.
There must still be some staff around who worked at Duncroft and I think the police should be questioning them. I imagine they kept their mouths shut because they felt important rubbing shoulders with a celeb and also he came bearing gifts.
Good grief - he had such a sick and warped mentality. He went to absolute extremes to show how concerned he was with the protection and safety of children. Good old Uncle Jim. Supporting the welfare of a nation of children.
Very interesting:rolleyes:, in case anyone doesn't know LGI is Leeds General Infirmary, so he had "a pass key to the student nurses' dorm" there and used to accidentally walk into the wrong rooms, or be in the showers after the nurse's shift ended
as I posted earlier, in this interview, he jokes about having a room in the nurse's quarters at Stoke Mandeville Hospital
and we know he did a very similar thing at Duncroft, walking through the girls dorm in the evening while the girls were getting changed. Were people in authority really so stupid in the 70s as to not see what this bloke was up to?
LaVieenRose's birth dates are a red herring, Karin Ward's birth name is not Karin or Ward. I don't think it's helpful to keep speculating about her age to be honest, the police will be able to confirm how old she is.
Apart from the dates LaVieenRose's provided being a red herring. The post on a forum that might possibly be the real Kat or not gives dates when they were at Duncroft as1970 to 72
She already mentioned in her book she went to Duncroft when she was 15 & left at 17
You can fly around the internet digging up stuff, not all of it relevant by the way, why can't I?
BBC site saying most new allegations are in 1970s or 1980s. Interesting, given there was talk here of how little testimony there had been of incidents after early 1970s.
I think that was more about his relationship with the BBC/TV/Radio appearances etc. rather than what he was getting up-to? I think many of us guessed that he had carried on for a long time. The other point of debate was if the claims would run into the 90s/00s time period.
Good grief - he had such a sick and warped mentality. He went to absolute extremes to show how concerned he was with the protection and safety of children. Good old Uncle Jim. Supporting the welfare of a nation of children.
I was going to post this before. Sadly, i don't think this is just JS's idea of a joke, the ruling elite love to do things like this, ''hidden in plain sight'' symbolism. They get off on boasting about their crimes it seems, thousands upon thousands of other examples of it. Ah, another one above now. Probably won't be allowed to post too much stuff like this here. It's all ''Conspiracy theories'' anyway.....
It fits in precisely with what that poster described at Leeds General Infirmary and him assaulting nurses and patients there.
The BBC just had someone from Scotland Yard on saying it is now clear Savile was a predatory sex offender.
Surely they should be including the Jersey allegations where victims as young as 9 have been reported? I realize that has a different legal system, but this investigation will not be at all complete without including Haut de la Garenne.
+ This account was posted a while back now.
SY say it's clear but i guess we've still got our pitchforks out.
Exactly. Why do the ages only go to 13. HDLG is key in this, it can't be covered over again.
In other words they're worried it will get trashed.
There is no suggestion at this stage that Savile's remains will be removed. His body was entombed in concrete last November to deter grave robbers in search of bling - although the coffin contains no valuables.
If there's no valuables in the grave why encase the coffin in concrete. Unless - and I'm being a complete cynic here - he knew all this would come out after his death and he was worried about being dug up?
Police investigating alleged sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile are pursuing 120 lines of inquiry spanning four decades, Scotland Yard said this afternoon.
They formally recorded two criminal allegations of rape and six of sexual assault against the late DJ. The first dates back to about 1959, but most are from the 70s and 80s.
Commander Peter Spindler, head of Specialist Crime Investigations, told reporters at Scotland Yard that information so far suggests abuse was on a “national scale”. There were currently 120 lines of inquiry, although some could be duplicates.
“Information is coming in as we speak, probably. The reality is this really has captured the public’s mind,” said Commander Spindler.
“We are getting calls from victims, from witnesses and third parties who believe they know something about it.
I find the claims that staff at Dunroft were absolutely oblivious to what Saville was up to to be hogwash. Many people in other walks of life who knew him were very suspicious of Saville (fx the young student nurses at that hospital worked out he was a sexual pervert very quickly), and yet we're supposed to believe that Duncroft staff thought he was bona fide.
I strongly suspect that had even five or six girls at Duncroft alleged sexual abuse against Saville, nothing would have been done about it, which is all you need to know about how rotten the place was.
Did you see my post about how the journalist who investigated the case Meirion Jones for Newsnight is the nephew of the Headmistress. It was because his own family had suspicions about Savile when they visited Duncroft that made him encourage the Newsnight team to do the investigation. It would be interesting to know if he had speaken to his aunt about it. The problem is life in those homes must have been so dreary and depressing with problems with funding etc., you can see how it might far too easy for a celebrity offering gifts, an opportunity to mix with famous people, and charitable income to get a hold on the staff.
Apart from the dates LaVieenRose's provided being a red herring. The post on a forum that might possibly be the real Kat or not gives dates when they were at Duncroft as1970 to 72
She already mentioned in her book she went to Duncroft when she was 15 & left at 17
You can fly around the internet digging up stuff, not all of it relevant by the way, why can't I?
You can:eek:. It's just that I feel a bit uncomfortable about questioning a victim too much. In the post that I believe is Karin it says she attended from 1974-75, then went to Norman Lodge.
If there's no valuables in the grave why encase the coffin in concrete. Unless - and I'm being a complete cynic here - he knew all this would come out after his death and he was worried about being dug up?
Very possible. Also, I think the reason he didn't have a computer wasn't so much in case anything would be found while he was alive, but in case incriminating stuff was found on it when he was dead. As it stands, there's no 'physical' trace left behind, which is probably what he planned for.
Oh my goodness Salty, I hadn't seen this. Everything about his association with children was obsessive, wasn't it? Even his efforts to put up these smoke screens.
Interesting article here asking how Savile got away with being seen entertaining young girls in his parked motorvan, not far from the BBC, at the time he was hosting Speakeasy, co-produced by the religious department.
If there's no valuables in the grave why encase the coffin in concrete. Unless - and I'm being a complete cynic here - he knew all this would come out after his death and he was worried about being dug up?
Nothing cynical there. He must have known it would all come out. He was a lot of things but not imo stupid. So yes, that's as good a theory as any. Laughing all the way to the grave.
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Small piece here.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-10-02/louis-theroux-on-itv-savile-documentary-its-upsetting-to-have-ones-worst-fears-confirmed
Also look on his Facebook page.
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Originally Posted by Lilaeth There's still the matter of her saying her attacker stank of drink and sweat, when he's known for not drinking.
The piece I read only said that he smelt like her stepfather, but perhaps the drink bit was mentioned elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by rionia Plus the small matter of whether she was actually under age or not on the day that particular show was recorded in 1974 (as has been pointed out by others, her personal blog gives her age as 54 now, so she couldn't have been 14 at the time, has been reported)
LaVieEnRose at Today, 11:24
Has that ever been updated though? I did have a quick look at the GRO birth register and there are 3 entries for her name: 1954 and 1955, plus one in 1964 which can be ruled out
This post is in reply to LaVieEnRose I can't reply to the original post as the threads been locked original post in link ^^^ up there.
Glad this has been brought up, its something that has been bothering me for a couple for a couple of days , we know Karin went to Duncroft when she was 15 and left when she was 17
I found a post on an approved school forum about Duncroft
The Author is Kat (Survived) it was posted 30/04/2012
I was there 1970 to 72. The place would have caused a major scandal now! Drunken staff,sleazy doctors, poor disturbed girls drugged up to the eyeballs, weirdo psychiatrists, padded cells, the lot. I've never forgotten the feeling of being abandoned in that hole, it ruined my young life...rant over x
If that truly is Kat/Karin could her association which began at Duncroft with JS continued after she left Duncroft and she was still getting tickets for shows. If it is the case depending on the transmission date in 1974 that would make her 18/19years old. That might be why the BBC dismissed her claims because the ages she keeps giving don’t match up. She might have shaved a couple of years off her age and she's not 54 Just a thought.
Thank you both. I obviously didn't look very hard, sorry to get you to run around after me! Lazy.
as I posted earlier, in this interview, he jokes about having a room in the nurse's quarters at Stoke Mandeville Hospital
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfreDM_LYYE&feature=related
and we know he did a very similar thing at Duncroft, walking through the girls dorm in the evening while the girls were getting changed. Were people in authority really so stupid in the 70s as to not see what this bloke was up to
LaVieenRose's birth dates are a red herring, Karin Ward's birth name is not Karin or Ward. I don't think it's helpful to keep speculating about her age to be honest, the police will be able to confirm how old she is.
Anecdotes about people beating up Jimmy Saville should be viewed with a pinch of salt,I'm fairly sure he could "handle" himself. Ex wrestler remember.
Problem with the JS situation is a)he's dead and b) anyone with a passing grievance or who brushed against him will now claim they were victims.
Not a popular opinion I know but how much of the claims are true in their nature?
Time/memory/context all play a part. Sure he probably got off with teenage girls but rape?! Colour me skeptical.
I find the claims that staff at Dunroft were absolutely oblivious to what Saville was up to to be hogwash. Many people in other walks of life who knew him were very suspicious of Saville (fx the young student nurses at that hospital worked out he was a sexual pervert very quickly), and yet we're supposed to believe that Duncroft staff thought he was bona fide.
I strongly suspect that had even five or six girls at Duncroft alleged sexual abuse against Saville, nothing would have been done about it, which is all you need to know about how rotten the place was.
If he was beaten up by a group of men, like all cowards he wouldn't have hit back - too many to retaliate against.
If anyone with 'a passing grievance' tries to make claims, I'm sure the authorities will find the truth and throw the case out. Rape, sexual assault, groping, all crimes - and child victims don't tend to lie about these things.
The BBC just had someone from Scotland Yard on saying it is now clear Savile was a predatory sex offender.
Surely they should be including the Jersey allegations where victims as young as 9 have been reported? I realize that has a different legal system, but this investigation will not be at all complete without including Haut de la Garenne.
There must still be some staff around who worked at Duncroft and I think the police should be questioning them. I imagine they kept their mouths shut because they felt important rubbing shoulders with a celeb and also he came bearing gifts.
Good grief - he had such a sick and warped mentality. He went to absolute extremes to show how concerned he was with the protection and safety of children. Good old Uncle Jim. Supporting the welfare of a nation of children.
Apart from the dates LaVieenRose's provided being a red herring. The post on a forum that might possibly be the real Kat or not gives dates when they were at Duncroft as1970 to 72
She already mentioned in her book she went to Duncroft when she was 15 & left at 17
You can fly around the internet digging up stuff, not all of it relevant by the way, why can't I?
I think that was more about his relationship with the BBC/TV/Radio appearances etc. rather than what he was getting up-to? I think many of us guessed that he had carried on for a long time. The other point of debate was if the claims would run into the 90s/00s time period.
Now confirmed!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9596698/Jimmy-Saviles-4000-gravestone-to-be-dismantled-following-allegations.html
This is worse.....
http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/Salty1955/?action=view¤t=525994_10151049100317163_1659148418_n.jpg
Removed "Out of respect of public opinion".
In other words they're worried it will get trashed.
I was going to post this before. Sadly, i don't think this is just JS's idea of a joke, the ruling elite love to do things like this, ''hidden in plain sight'' symbolism. They get off on boasting about their crimes it seems, thousands upon thousands of other examples of it. Ah, another one above now. Probably won't be allowed to post too much stuff like this here. It's all ''Conspiracy theories'' anyway.....
+ This account was posted a while back now.
SY say it's clear but i guess we've still got our pitchforks out.
Exactly. Why do the ages only go to 13. HDLG is key in this, it can't be covered over again.
If there's no valuables in the grave why encase the coffin in concrete. Unless - and I'm being a complete cynic here - he knew all this would come out after his death and he was worried about being dug up?
They formally recorded two criminal allegations of rape and six of sexual assault against the late DJ. The first dates back to about 1959, but most are from the 70s and 80s.
Commander Peter Spindler, head of Specialist Crime Investigations, told reporters at Scotland Yard that information so far suggests abuse was on a “national scale”. There were currently 120 lines of inquiry, although some could be duplicates.
“Information is coming in as we speak, probably. The reality is this really has captured the public’s mind,” said Commander Spindler.
“We are getting calls from victims, from witnesses and third parties who believe they know something about it.
You can:eek:. It's just that I feel a bit uncomfortable about questioning a victim too much. In the post that I believe is Karin it says she attended from 1974-75, then went to Norman Lodge.
Oh my goodness Salty, I hadn't seen this. Everything about his association with children was obsessive, wasn't it? Even his efforts to put up these smoke screens.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/09/jimmy-savile-bbc-full-disclosure
Nothing cynical there. He must have known it would all come out. He was a lot of things but not imo stupid. So yes, that's as good a theory as any. Laughing all the way to the grave.