Whilst I agree to a certain extent, first and foremost it should be about making people face the consequences of their actions. If that means an extremely long prison sentence then so be it. Punishment first then rehabilitation.
BIB I totally agree with you. You can never learn from what you have done unless you face it. For me it should be half and half.
It's never the only solution. And the likely hood is he WOULD do it again.
It's possible in the minority of cases but in my experience a good beating makes cowards like that think twice in future. I mean a really good beating. Hospitalised with broken limbs.
It's possible in the minority of cases but in my experience a good beating makes cowards like that think twice in future. I mean a really good beating. Hospitalised with broken limbs.
I've had plenty of beatings.They just made me even more angry when I took one which DIDN'T make me want to change my ways. The love and care that people around me showed me made me change my ways.
Rehabilitation has nothing to do with molly coddling. Its about trying to bring down re offending rates. I would be first in line to give these two a good slap, but we need to think in the long term.
Stop trying to treat the symptoms, jail should be a punishment and a bloody good one. if you want to tackle crime do it before they get to prison.
If that bastard had been set upon after dooing that and given a f****** good beating, I doubt he'd be so ready to go around kicking people any more.
That is going to solve absolutely nothing. In fact it will only cause problems. if we want people to be productive members of society they need to think society does give a shit about them.being violent towards them will only worsen the divide.
Stop trying to treat the symptoms, jail should be a punishment and a bloody good one. if you want to tackle crime do it before they get to prison.
So what? as soon as they are in prison we should just simply give up on them? yes of course prevention is better then cure, but if we just cast them out then it will only worsen crime rates. Of course I want people to be punished, but we need to think of what happens to them once they get out of prison.
That is going to solve absolutely nothing. In fact it will only cause problems. if we want people to be productive members of society they need to think society does give a shit about them.being violent towards them will only worsen the divide.
We're supposed to feel sympathy towards people beating up OAP's?
But they came from a poor broken home, it's not their fault... we care, we want to understand and help you not to do it again, it wasn't entirely your fault it was the environment you were brought up in. Give me a break.
Loads of people come from the same situation and they dont go around attacking people. bloody good slap a long time staring at walls eating shit and some hard work, make them think twice.
We're supposed to feel sympathy towards people beating up OAP's?
But they came from a poor broken home, it's not their fault... we care, we want to understand and help you not to do it again, it wasn't entirely your fault it was the environment you were brought up in. Give me a break.
Loads of people come from the same situation and they dont go around attacking people. bloody good slap a long time staring at walls eating shit and some hard work, make them think twice.
Since when have I given any sympathy to these thugs I think you are completely misreading my posts.
Liberals cause society to become like it is today. These thugs gave up their rights when they did what they did. The victim lives in fear whilst the Liberals try and make excuses for such scum. Lock these thugs up and don't bother trying to "change them" or better still execute them. Who would miss them? Send a clear message I say.
Why should society give a shit about people who attack vulnerable people? Isn't that sympathy?
No, again go back and read my posts properly. I said they should be punished and face the consequences of their actions. After that they should be rehabilitated so they don't re offend and can be integrated back into society. If society gives up on them all that will happen is they go straight out of prison, re-offend, and then go straight back in.
Look at America, a country with a notoriously hard prison system, then compare it to Norway, who would make you balk at their 'namby pamby liberalness'. Tell me who has the lowest re-offending rates.
Liberals cause society to become like it is today. These thugs gave up their rights when they did what they did. The victim lives in fear whilst the Liberals try and make excuses for such scum. Lock these thugs up and don't bother trying to "change them" or better still execute them. Who would miss them? Send a clear message I say.
What clear message exactly? of course I forget, crime only happened when we abolished the death penalty. Society being the way it is today did not cause this, people have been assaulting each other for hundreds and hundreds of years,
Strange that the majority of posters here would be saying the same thing if the ethnicity's were reversed.
I don't have enough facts to know if it was racist or not. To me the fact that they kicked a pensioner in the back shows that they went after the most vulnerable person they could find, someone who didn't have a hope in hell of defending themselves.
No, again go back and read my posts properly. I said they should be punished and face the consequences of their actions. After that they should be rehabilitated so they don't re offend and can be integrated back into society. If society gives up on them all that will happen is they go straight out of prison, re-offend, and then go straight back in.
Look at America, a country with a notoriously hard prison system, then compare it to Norway, who would make you balk at their 'namby pamby liberalness'. Tell me who has the lowest re-offending rates.
40% of the people in americas "harsh" prison system dont reoffend. The other 60% dont give a shit, **** em, it's hard to reoffend when you have life in prison.
40% of the people in americas "harsh" prison system dont reoffend. The other 60% dont give a shit, **** em, it's hard to reoffend when you have life in prison.
No it isn't...You could attack a prison guard or somebody in there for a lesser crime.
40% of the people in americas "harsh" prison system dont reoffend. The other 60% dont give a shit, **** em, it's hard to reoffend when you have life in prison.
Yeah. Let's just ****, who cares what crime they commit in the future, who cares about the people they hurt then. I mean after all crime only effects one person. However you spin it 60% is ludicrous.
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BIB I totally agree with you. You can never learn from what you have done unless you face it. For me it should be half and half.
It's never the only solution. And the likely hood is he WOULD do it again.
It's possible in the minority of cases but in my experience a good beating makes cowards like that think twice in future. I mean a really good beating. Hospitalised with broken limbs.
I've had plenty of beatings.They just made me even more angry when I took one which DIDN'T make me want to change my ways. The love and care that people around me showed me made me change my ways.
So you'd let someone beat you up without raising a hand to them? Bloody sure I wouldn't.
No. There's a difference between self defence and just bringing yourself down to their level.
Stop trying to treat the symptoms, jail should be a punishment and a bloody good one. if you want to tackle crime do it before they get to prison.
That is going to solve absolutely nothing. In fact it will only cause problems. if we want people to be productive members of society they need to think society does give a shit about them.being violent towards them will only worsen the divide.
So what? as soon as they are in prison we should just simply give up on them? yes of course prevention is better then cure, but if we just cast them out then it will only worsen crime rates. Of course I want people to be punished, but we need to think of what happens to them once they get out of prison.
We're supposed to feel sympathy towards people beating up OAP's?
But they came from a poor broken home, it's not their fault... we care, we want to understand and help you not to do it again, it wasn't entirely your fault it was the environment you were brought up in. Give me a break.
Loads of people come from the same situation and they dont go around attacking people. bloody good slap a long time staring at walls eating shit and some hard work, make them think twice.
Since when have I given any sympathy to these thugs
Why should society give a shit about people who attack vulnerable people? Isn't that sympathy?
No, again go back and read my posts properly. I said they should be punished and face the consequences of their actions. After that they should be rehabilitated so they don't re offend and can be integrated back into society. If society gives up on them all that will happen is they go straight out of prison, re-offend, and then go straight back in.
Look at America, a country with a notoriously hard prison system, then compare it to Norway, who would make you balk at their 'namby pamby liberalness'. Tell me who has the lowest re-offending rates.
What clear message exactly? of course I forget, crime only happened when we abolished the death penalty. Society being the way it is today did not cause this, people have been assaulting each other for hundreds and hundreds of years,
Strange that the majority of posters here would be saying the same thing if the ethnicity's were reversed.
I don't have enough facts to know if it was racist or not. To me the fact that they kicked a pensioner in the back shows that they went after the most vulnerable person they could find, someone who didn't have a hope in hell of defending themselves.
LOL, another "I hate the Daily Mail" dude...who, by definition, is obviously a Daily Mail reader.
Admit it gother,,,you love the DM.
If we gave up on people who have done bad things, we wouldn't have much of a society...
40% of the people in americas "harsh" prison system dont reoffend. The other 60% dont give a shit, **** em, it's hard to reoffend when you have life in prison.
Putting people away for a while, to give them time to reconsider their actions...and give us all a break for a while from these scumbags...
....isn't "giving up on people"
No it isn't...You could attack a prison guard or somebody in there for a lesser crime.
Yeah. Let's just ****, who cares what crime they commit in the future, who cares about the people they hurt then. I mean after all crime only effects one person. However you spin it 60% is ludicrous.
I know...And I totally agree this is the best thing for them.