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TV Torrents - Is it just as illigal as downloading movies?
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I found a torrent site that shares TV shows all over the world. Is this just as illegal in the UK as downloading movies?
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I found a torrent site that shares TV shows all over the world. Is this just as illegal in the UK as downloading movies?
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Maybe it's because the tv show makers have already been paid.
presumably because a downloaded film is seen as a lost sale, where as a tv show is just a lost viewer.
incidentally it is really the uploading that is illegal not the downloading. which is of course part of the way torrents work. cyberlockers, newsgroups lot safer.
I think the way many look at it is that if the show isn't licenced for broadcast over here, or the broadcaster has a ridiculously slow timescale for it, then its pretty much fair-game. A lot of the time stuff would have been broadcast FTA anyway so the only people who theoretically loose out are advertisers...but then thats no different to people skipping the ads on a PVR.
I'm sure they don't consider it fair game.
it may not be clear who would do the enforcing and who looses out. but if they aren't doing it it's just because it's not cost effective.
Contrast that with films and TV shows. I have signed up to Love Film Instant (for free through Talk Talk) and the selection is crap. I took my son to see Skyfall. He thought it was great so I said we would watch Casino Royale. I looked on LFI and yes they had Casino Royale to stream – the 1966 version. Well whoop de bloody doo. I then checked Play Movies and they don’t have it either. So I will be watching Casino Royale (2006) streamed from 1Channel on my big telly. The business model for online content is broken. I want sign up to a streaming/download service and find, as with music, I can get all the mainstream stuff. But I can’t. I am not allowed to pay for a service I want. But I can get the same service for free, even if it is dodgy. Utter utter bollocks.
in the UK downloading copywritten material without permission is illegal, as is uploading. when you download you create a copy and that is illegal. likewise streaming, albeit it's a temporary copy. it's quite a common misconception this. it's due to the fact that the chances of getting caught downloading are very slim compared to uploading. with torrents you usually upload as you download and broadcast your IP details whilst doing so, but with NTTP, HTTP and FTP hosts the law and copyright holders rarely have access to downloaders details so can't do anything about it.
downloading games, music, movies or tv shows without permission is just as illegal, it's just that normally different organisations deal with copyright and piracy for these different things and do so differently, thus it may seem that one thing is more illegal than another as you hear more about it
Shows that never make it to DVD - I can't see there being much rush right now to chase after these.
In current copyright legislation, it is the copying that is illegal, if you could download without making a copy then that technically isn't legislated although it may soon be. By uploading it is obvious that a copy has already been made, that's why the current GEIL/O2 NPO is for uploading only.
I use it as an on-demand service, albeit an illegal one.
I wouldn't need to do this if Virgin Media allowed you to get a PVR without having to pay a monthly fee for it (the TiVo service).
Precisely the music industry has (sort of) embraced the digital age and come to the future, but the film and TV industry is still lagging behind.
I can understand restrictions being in place for new films, but films that are a couple of years old should more freely available (in the sense easier to get, not free to get)/
I was interested in watching Wall Street 2 - but not interested enough to cough up £11. £3-4 would have been done in a heartbeat.
The thing is the MPAA, the last A stands for America and we're not an American state, so they can be as concerned as they like but it's UK law that will be applicable here.
I disagree, not even the Americans have gone that far :
But if the source of the stream has illegally copied then that's a different matter.
Of course its not the same thing! Movies are being sold in Cinema and DVDs. Its completely different. How else do you get to see old shows of Deal or No Deal or some documentary or comedy show that probably will never get a official DVD release so its the only way to see it because all these iplayers dont show everything.
You're not an expert are you.
that's right. what does the E in example stand for?
you can disagree all you want, in this country it would be up to our courts to decide
you don't. just because something isn't legally available doesn't mean you have to right to obtain it illegally
aside from why anyone would want to watch deal or no deal in the first place, if shows are pirated to satisfy demand of fans, then it reduces the chances of shows being released officially as the demand is reduced
If you check the CDPA 1988 you will find that making "incidental copies as an integral and essential part of a technological process" is not an infringement.
Streaming and downloading is a very grey area legally, which is why they always chase the sharers, not the downloaders.