I think perhaps it was because he was discouraged from doing so, along with the others named by Scallywag, as the cash for questions scandal was then in full flow, and it was just a couple of years before a general election. Simon Regan actually described his half brother Angus James going to a signing of Lord McAlpine's book, stating the fact he was from Scallywag, and at first McAlpine seemed taken aback, but signed anyway, I'll try to find the exact quote later.
Untrue, Margaret Thatcher's PPS Sir Peter Morrison, MP for Chester has been linked to the Wrexham abuse scandal by the former MP Rod Richards, Welsh Secretary during the Waterhouse inquiry, and was said to have liked "young boys" and taken them to his Scottish hunting lodge by Edwina Currie, two people from the Wrexham homes also said they had been taken to a property owned by a Conservative figure in London.
It had wide circulation amongst MPs and journalists in London.
Watson said nothing about McAlpine in parliament, his allegations were about files linked to the convicted paedophile Peter Righton that linked other senior figures. There was further evidence of a link to Westminster in a trial in 1989 of Alan Delaney and others where 150 boys around London were groomed for abuse and prostitution.
Thanks for that reply jzee. I cannot imagine NOT taking action myself, given that scallywag was apparently widely read by MPs and journalists.
Are you sure, I know he threatened to libel them,through Michael Crick, why have the BBC not given this as the reason for not naming him, all they have said is they did not have enough evidence.
Fairly sure. I'm not sure what you mean by "libel them through Michael Crick".
I suspect the injunction would have been secret, pretty useless otherwise.
He was also around within the Parliamentary Conservative group at the time of the inquiries into the Welsh homes and when many of the names currently being bandied around were in the Conservative hierarchy even prior to Waterson. According to some reports, Morrisons penchant for young men was well-known amongst at least some Conservatives at the time.
Fairly sure. I'm not sure what you mean by "libel them through Michael Crick".
I suspect the injunction would have been secret, pretty useless otherwise.
Michael Crick spoke to him before the programme went out and he denied he was involved and said if he was named he would libel them. I do not think there was an injuction, it would have been made public that someone had taken an injunction out against them.
"An Oxford-educated barrister and three other men will be sentenced at the Central Criminal Court today for their part in Britain's biggest child sex ring.
The evil influence of the paedophile service corrupted more than 150 boys. Many are now male prostitutes. One is so psychologically scarred he is detained indefinitely at Broadmoor.
The men preyed on children from boarding schools for the emotionally disturbed or educationally sub-normal and plied their victims with gifts of toys, trips to the seaside, money, drink and drugs. Other victims were recruited off the streets of London.
The boys would be passed from man to man as ``sexual playthings'' and in the year-long police investigation a vicar and a senior official at the Palace of Westminster were questioned.
The prosecution said children as young as 10 were among those subjected to abuse over a five-year period, and that the charges were only specimens. Some became male prostitutes while others turned from being victims into corrupters themselves.
One aged 15 was picked up within 10 minutes of arriving at Piccadilly Circus after hitch-hiking from Glasgow. Police said some of the ``rent boys'' were earning Pounds 600 a night and staying in West End hotels.
Senior detectives believe Operation Hedgerow, which uncovered 643 offences against boys, has only scraped the surface of the paedophile menace in Britain. They want a special squad to investigate child sex.
A 13-week trial in which filmed evidence was used for the first time in a British court to shield boys from their abusers in the dock ended yesterday with convictions for serious sexual offences for two men, Alan Delaney, aged 48, a company director, and Victor Burnett, aged 43.
Colin Peters, aged 45, a barrister and tax adviser, of Chepstow Road, Bayswater, west London, was a key figure in the ring.
The former Foreign Office lawyer took young victims into the sauna in his luxury flat and gave them cash for sexual favours and described himself to boys as ``mother hen''."
Funnily enough the vicar and senior official at the Palace of Westminster weren't amongst those convicted.
"An Oxford-educated barrister and three other men will be sentenced at the Central Criminal Court today for their part in Britain's biggest child sex ring.
The evil influence of the paedophile service corrupted more than 150 boys. Many are now male prostitutes. One is so psychologically scarred he is detained indefinitely at Broadmoor.
The men preyed on children from boarding schools for the emotionally disturbed or educationally sub-normal and plied their victims with gifts of toys, trips to the seaside, money, drink and drugs. Other victims were recruited off the streets of London.
The boys would be passed from man to man as ``sexual playthings'' and in the year-long police investigation a vicar and a senior official at the Palace of Westminster were questioned.
The prosecution said children as young as 10 were among those subjected to abuse over a five-year period, and that the charges were only specimens. Some became male prostitutes while others turned from being victims into corrupters themselves.
One aged 15 was picked up within 10 minutes of arriving at Piccadilly Circus after hitch-hiking from Glasgow. Police said some of the ``rent boys'' were earning Pounds 600 a night and staying in West End hotels.
Senior detectives believe Operation Hedgerow, which uncovered 643 offences against boys, has only scraped the surface of the paedophile menace in Britain. They want a special squad to investigate child sex.
A 13-week trial in which filmed evidence was used for the first time in a British court to shield boys from their abusers in the dock ended yesterday with convictions for serious sexual offences for two men, Alan Delaney, aged 48, a company director, and Victor Burnett, aged 43.
Colin Peters, aged 45, a barrister and tax adviser, of Chepstow Road, Bayswater, west London, was a key figure in the ring.
The former Foreign Office lawyer took young victims into the sauna in his luxury flat and gave them cash for sexual favours and described himself to boys as ``mother hen''."
Funnily enough the vicar and senior official at the Palace of Westminster weren't amongst those convicted.
It seems fairly clear a huge paedophile ring was operating up and down the country from at least the 1970s (a coincidence that PIE appeared in 1974?), organised by people in positions of authority within social services. It also appears the boys were sometimes pimped out to wealthy men, possibly including politicians such as Peter Morrison.
Who knew Sian was going to pop up, or that a copy of the pulped report existed, or that Keith had a list of 60 names at the ready? Without those things happening, the BBC story would have left people with the conclusion that Steve is a liar and that there was no politician involved in the case - just a simple case of mistaken identity. And that would have put other victims off making new allegations, I imagine.
"An Oxford-educated barrister and three other men will be sentenced at the Central Criminal Court today for their part in Britain's biggest child sex ring.
The evil influence of the paedophile service corrupted more than 150 boys. Many are now male prostitutes. One is so psychologically scarred he is detained indefinitely at Broadmoor.
The men preyed on children from boarding schools for the emotionally disturbed or educationally sub-normal and plied their victims with gifts of toys, trips to the seaside, money, drink and drugs. Other victims were recruited off the streets of London.
The boys would be passed from man to man as ``sexual playthings'' and in the year-long police investigation a vicar and a senior official at the Palace of Westminster were questioned.
The prosecution said children as young as 10 were among those subjected to abuse over a five-year period, and that the charges were only specimens. Some became male prostitutes while others turned from being victims into corrupters themselves.
One aged 15 was picked up within 10 minutes of arriving at Piccadilly Circus after hitch-hiking from Glasgow. Police said some of the ``rent boys'' were earning Pounds 600 a night and staying in West End hotels.
Senior detectives believe Operation Hedgerow, which uncovered 643 offences against boys, has only scraped the surface of the paedophile menace in Britain. They want a special squad to investigate child sex.
A 13-week trial in which filmed evidence was used for the first time in a British court to shield boys from their abusers in the dock ended yesterday with convictions for serious sexual offences for two men, Alan Delaney, aged 48, a company director, and Victor Burnett, aged 43.
Colin Peters, aged 45, a barrister and tax adviser, of Chepstow Road, Bayswater, west London, was a key figure in the ring.
The former Foreign Office lawyer took young victims into the sauna in his luxury flat and gave them cash for sexual favours and described himself to boys as ``mother hen''."
Funnily enough the vicar and senior official at the Palace of Westminster weren't amongst those convicted.
So you think everyone ever questioned by the police is guilty then.
For all you know they were helping to get the convictions, but "Paedophile ring linked to Westminster" is how you describe it. Tom Watson would be proud.
A new storm has brewed after David Mellor apparently called an abuse victim 'a weirdo' on the Sunday Politics show. Complaints are being made to the BBC and Twitter went into one of its frenzied modes. Andrew Neil has said that those getting so upset should watch the last ten minutes of the show, but its not up on Iplayer yet for some reason.
So you think everyone ever questioned by the police is guilty then.
For all you know they were helping to get the convictions, but "Paedophile ring linked to Westminster" is how you describe it.
And even if guilty, "senior official at the Palace of Westminster" suggests a civil servant rather than a politician.
A new storm has brewed after David Mellor apparently called an abuse victim 'a weirdo' on the Sunday Politics show. Complaints are being made to the BBC and Twitter went into one of its frenzied modes. Andrew Neil has said that those getting so upset should watch the last ten minutes of the show, but its not up on Iplayer yet for some reason.
In the last ten minutes of the show Neil and the three journalists all said how wrong it was for Mellor to describe Messham as a weirdo.
A new storm has brewed after David Mellor apparently called an abuse victim 'a weirdo' on the Sunday Politics show. Complaints are being made to the BBC and Twitter went into one of its frenzied modes. Andrew Neil has said that those getting so upset should watch the last ten minutes of the show, but its not up on Iplayer yet for some reason.
Not surprised. Messham will be totally discredited by the media in case he identifies anyone else. So will anyone else who speaks out.
"An Oxford-educated barrister and three other men will be sentenced at the Central Criminal Court today for their part in Britain's biggest child sex ring.
The evil influence of the paedophile service corrupted more than 150 boys. Many are now male prostitutes. One is so psychologically scarred he is detained indefinitely at Broadmoor.
The men preyed on children from boarding schools for the emotionally disturbed or educationally sub-normal and plied their victims with gifts of toys, trips to the seaside, money, drink and drugs. Other victims were recruited off the streets of London.
The boys would be passed from man to man as ``sexual playthings'' and in the year-long police investigation a vicar and a senior official at the Palace of Westminster were questioned.
The prosecution said children as young as 10 were among those subjected to abuse over a five-year period, and that the charges were only specimens. Some became male prostitutes while others turned from being victims into corrupters themselves.
One aged 15 was picked up within 10 minutes of arriving at Piccadilly Circus after hitch-hiking from Glasgow. Police said some of the ``rent boys'' were earning Pounds 600 a night and staying in West End hotels.
Senior detectives believe Operation Hedgerow, which uncovered 643 offences against boys, has only scraped the surface of the paedophile menace in Britain. They want a special squad to investigate child sex.
A 13-week trial in which filmed evidence was used for the first time in a British court to shield boys from their abusers in the dock ended yesterday with convictions for serious sexual offences for two men, Alan Delaney, aged 48, a company director, and Victor Burnett, aged 43.
Colin Peters, aged 45, a barrister and tax adviser, of Chepstow Road, Bayswater, west London, was a key figure in the ring.
The former Foreign Office lawyer took young victims into the sauna in his luxury flat and gave them cash for sexual favours and described himself to boys as ``mother hen''."
Funnily enough the vicar and senior official at the Palace of Westminster weren't amongst those convicted.
I well remember the case and there was widespread suspicion that it only scratched the surface of what was suspected to be a vast paedophile ring extending overseas. Revelations made since that time have only served to confirm such things exist along with governments' interference in seeking proper justice.
Michael Crick spoke to him before the programme went out and he denied he was involved and said if he was named he would libel them. I do not think there was an injuction, it would have been made public that someone had taken an injunction out against them.
Doesn't Crick work for Channel 4 now?
I think you mean "sue them for libel".
I've already explained more than once that if it was made public that MacAlpine had taken out an injunction against Newshight forbidding them from naming him as a paedophile there wouldn't be much point in the injunction.
Doesn't Crick work for Channel 4 now?
Qq think you mean "sue them for libel".
I've already explained more than once that if it was made public that MacAlpine had taken out an injunction against Newshight forbidding them from naming him as a paedophile there wouldn't be much point in the injunction.
Remember the Giggs case?
But in the Giggs case we knew someone had taken an injunction out to stop their name being printed.
I've already explained more than once that if it was made public that MacAlpine had taken out an injunction against Newshight forbidding them from naming him as a paedophile there wouldn't be much point in the injunction.
Remember the Giggs case?
Yes Michael Crick does work for Channel 4 now but he was well across the newsnight story and was blogging about it before it went out and how he had spoken to the person who was going to be named - only never was
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Thanks for that reply jzee. I cannot imagine NOT taking action myself, given that scallywag was apparently widely read by MPs and journalists.
Fairly sure. I'm not sure what you mean by "libel them through Michael Crick".
I suspect the injunction would have been secret, pretty useless otherwise.
Well there you go Cameron was in on it!!!!!
Michael Crick spoke to him before the programme went out and he denied he was involved and said if he was named he would libel them. I do not think there was an injuction, it would have been made public that someone had taken an injunction out against them.
Unless it was a super-injunction of course, where they cannot even report that an injunction even exists.
But they do get reported on the internet on blogs that are held outside the UK and where the writ of the High Court doesn't run
"An Oxford-educated barrister and three other men will be sentenced at the Central Criminal Court today for their part in Britain's biggest child sex ring.
The evil influence of the paedophile service corrupted more than 150 boys. Many are now male prostitutes. One is so psychologically scarred he is detained indefinitely at Broadmoor.
The men preyed on children from boarding schools for the emotionally disturbed or educationally sub-normal and plied their victims with gifts of toys, trips to the seaside, money, drink and drugs. Other victims were recruited off the streets of London.
The boys would be passed from man to man as ``sexual playthings'' and in the year-long police investigation a vicar and a senior official at the Palace of Westminster were questioned.
The prosecution said children as young as 10 were among those subjected to abuse over a five-year period, and that the charges were only specimens. Some became male prostitutes while others turned from being victims into corrupters themselves.
One aged 15 was picked up within 10 minutes of arriving at Piccadilly Circus after hitch-hiking from Glasgow. Police said some of the ``rent boys'' were earning Pounds 600 a night and staying in West End hotels.
Senior detectives believe Operation Hedgerow, which uncovered 643 offences against boys, has only scraped the surface of the paedophile menace in Britain. They want a special squad to investigate child sex.
A 13-week trial in which filmed evidence was used for the first time in a British court to shield boys from their abusers in the dock ended yesterday with convictions for serious sexual offences for two men, Alan Delaney, aged 48, a company director, and Victor Burnett, aged 43.
Colin Peters, aged 45, a barrister and tax adviser, of Chepstow Road, Bayswater, west London, was a key figure in the ring.
The former Foreign Office lawyer took young victims into the sauna in his luxury flat and gave them cash for sexual favours and described himself to boys as ``mother hen''."
Funnily enough the vicar and senior official at the Palace of Westminster weren't amongst those convicted.
It seems fairly clear a huge paedophile ring was operating up and down the country from at least the 1970s (a coincidence that PIE appeared in 1974?), organised by people in positions of authority within social services. It also appears the boys were sometimes pimped out to wealthy men, possibly including politicians such as Peter Morrison.
Who knew Sian was going to pop up, or that a copy of the pulped report existed, or that Keith had a list of 60 names at the ready? Without those things happening, the BBC story would have left people with the conclusion that Steve is a liar and that there was no politician involved in the case - just a simple case of mistaken identity. And that would have put other victims off making new allegations, I imagine.
So you think everyone ever questioned by the police is guilty then.
For all you know they were helping to get the convictions, but "Paedophile ring linked to Westminster" is how you describe it. Tom Watson would be proud.
And even if guilty, "senior official at the Palace of Westminster" suggests a civil servant rather than a politician.
In the last ten minutes of the show Neil and the three journalists all said how wrong it was for Mellor to describe Messham as a weirdo.
Not surprised. Messham will be totally discredited by the media in case he identifies anyone else. So will anyone else who speaks out.
Why are they bothering to interview David Mellor? - he has been a non-event ever since the Sun pictured him in his Chelsea strip.
I'll bet you were hopeless at maths.
I well remember the case and there was widespread suspicion that it only scratched the surface of what was suspected to be a vast paedophile ring extending overseas. Revelations made since that time have only served to confirm such things exist along with governments' interference in seeking proper justice.
Hopefully not if they go to the police.
I think you mean "sue them for libel".
I've already explained more than once that if it was made public that MacAlpine had taken out an injunction against Newshight forbidding them from naming him as a paedophile there wouldn't be much point in the injunction.
Remember the Giggs case?
Like I've reported it on here, you mean?
But in the Giggs case we knew someone had taken an injunction out to stop their name being printed.
Strange that you have chosen to overlook the other 299 lines of enquiry that the police are currently looking into
Only because the girl was named.
Yes Michael Crick does work for Channel 4 now but he was well across the newsnight story and was blogging about it before it went out and how he had spoken to the person who was going to be named - only never was
No idea I was just making a general point