Am wondering if 'Medea' has anything to do with the Greek legend about Medea (which is so complicated it's too difficult to understand anyway and there are several versions, endings and characters as well, but it's intriguing. I'm thinking there might be a strand of 'Medea' somewhere in the plot regarding the name of the boat and the murdered seaman as he had the name tatooed on his 'severed arm':eek: Golden Fleece might also equate to drugs these days or perhaps golden haired children? or perhaps something to do with the shipping cargo of Zeeland?
Okay I'll shut up and you can wait with baited breath for my new theory next week.;)
Am I the only one wondering why the final crewman from the Medea was hit in the face with a hammer, meaning that you couldn't recreate his features rather than being shot in the head like the other two? This is speculation on my part but the only reason I can think of for that to happen is that he wasn't the third crewman, he was someone else. Remember the very unhelpful prosecutor before he got killed said that the guy thought that he was owed some money.
There must be someone involved though that is close to the family to know that Emilie was kitty obsessed.
Had to come home early last night (headache) and so was able to watch 'live'. I like to watch the episodes twice as I tend to get a bit confused with names and where various minor characters fit into the plot so am pleased that I have the DVD recording to watch, too.
On first viewing, I wondered whether it was not the intention to kill the Lativan sailor but, given that he turned up in bits, he got caught up in the propellers of a boat when trying to escape
For those who've seen series 2 - were the politicians in that? I was rather lost with all the middle aged men in suits, and was struggling to follow that side of the story. I'm sure they'll all fall into place eventually, as I'm pretty sure I was confused at this point in the first series as well, and couldn't remember all the people. But these politicians aren't as charismatic as Troels!
Great to have TK back. So good to have some intelligent tv on a Saturday night. With all of the coalition politics it felt like a crossover with Bergen (how wonderful would it be if the shows did exist in the same universe?)
I'm going to have to watch it all again today as I'm sure there are lots of details I missed. I too was confused about who was who when there were so many similar looking men in suits.
For those who've seen series 2 - were the politicians in that? I was rather lost with all the middle aged men in suits, and was struggling to follow that side of the story. I'm sure they'll all fall into place eventually, as I'm pretty sure I was confused at this point in the first series as well, and couldn't remember all the people. But these politicians aren't as charismatic as Troels!
There were politicians and cacti in series 2
But knowing you haven't watched that yet I shall refrain from further comment apart from BK has a cactus called Buch
Yes, all good points. I was engaged in composing a reply when I realised it would probably be best to watch the episodes again to be sure of my points!
As regards spoilering for those yet to watch either one or both episodes, surely it's permissible to discuss the episodes once they've been broadcast on BBC4? Isn't it the responsibility of those who haven't caught up yet to not read the thread until they have? After all, this is a BBC4 pace thread.
For those who've seen series 2 - were the politicians in that? I was rather lost with all the middle aged men in suits, and was struggling to follow that side of the story. I'm sure they'll all fall into place eventually, as I'm pretty sure I was confused at this point in the first series as well, and couldn't remember all the people. But these politicians aren't as charismatic as Troels!
and Karen is no Rie substitute either. Danish female actors have great bums though.
The first ep was full on understanding the political who's who but I'll maybe do a summary shortly after I've caught up with the thread. I'm glad I saw Borgen, that helped with the political tooing and froing a lot.
All the politicians in this, in fact everyone except Sarah Lund & her family and Brix, are all new characters so far.
Am wondering if 'Medea' has anything to do with the Greek legend about Medea (which is so complicated it's too difficult to understand anyway and there are several versions, endings and characters as well, but it's intriguing. I'm thinking there might be a strand of 'Medea' somewhere in the plot regarding the name of the boat and the murdered seaman as he had the name tatooed on his 'severed arm':eek:
Yes I think that Greek legend Medea may somehow be involved. That's what I thought as soon as I saw Sarah filling in the tattoo. I'm not familiar with the legend but it's an interesting idea. The denouement of the US series Rubicon also hinged on a sign/symbol - won't say anymore for those who haven't seen it.
My initial thoughts are all over the place apart from that! To be honest I was quite confused for much of ep 1. We were chucked right in this time weren't we - shenanigans with the politicians etc? In series 1 I knew the various Danish parties but have forgotten some of them now and I feel I need to know which is which. At first I couldn't differentiate between the middle aged men in suits, as another poster says above. Also for at least 15mins I thought Karen (the Rie of this series - political advisor) was the same person as Maja. :rolleyes: Anyway it's fab to have Lund back - with one of her new jumpers as well! Oh and she's going to be a granny!
On first viewing, I wondered whether it was not the intention to kill the Lativan sailor but, given that he turned up in bits, he got caught up in the propellers of a boat when trying to escape
I don't think all the bits would have arrived together in the scrapyard, somehow! Someone dumped the body, then it was dismembered by the crane until the operator realized what was happening.
Methinks the boss's aide is a bit suspicious... He would know about the girl's fondness for kitties.
For me, its more that I like to reflect and mull over an episode before watching the next. After all it was made to be shown weekly - never really understood why BBC4 always doubles up these programmes.
Lund has improved the decor of her place since last time
and her car number plate is ZP 26 172
Lund alone in the dark with a torch :.D
Is the kitty on board?
:.D:D
So the kitty was left on the Medea with the surveillance photos, the mug shots on the wall, (were they the crew? ), the cameras and the executed crew. So despite burning everything incriminating paper wise, the perp(s) wanted the police to know how much trouble he'd/they'd gone to, to kidnap Emilie.
Sarah got very lucky with that unburnt ad to find the van....without that they'd have absolutely nothing to go on finding the perp.
For those who've seen series 2 - were the politicians in that?
There were some but it wasn't focused on coalition politics - more Danish politics overall as it relates to the wider world. It wasn't so confusing in that way.
There were some but it wasn't focused on coalition politics - more Danish politics overall as it relates to the wider world. It wasn't so confusing in that way.
Do you mean the same characters were in it?
Oh well, I'm sure it'll make sense to me at some point.
These need more focusing on although it probably won't make sense for now. Someone at the Guardian says that one is to do with the RAF - Red Army Faction rather than Royal Air Force. Can't remember what they said about the others offhand.
No, none of the politicians appear in more than one series. The only characters who go from series to series apart from Sarah are her mum, her son, and Brix.
will the deputy prosecutor be bumped off before he can tell Lund what's happening?
my theory is if this caller has emilie (though we can't be sure of that as no proof of life has been provided) then it's a relative of the child who committed suicide on the zeeland docks and the court case was covered up- (hence the torture of the potential witness) but is that too obvious???
Good call minks - just what we arrived at last night in Denley (cough) mansions too.
One question, the crew mate was expecting reimbursement for being witness at the court case - is that common practice in Denmark or was the money he was expecting a bribe/sweetener instead?
I couldn't work out why the crew were all still Zeeland employees despite the Madea being bought by a Latvian company that went bust??
No, none of the politicians appear in more than one series. The only characters who go from series to series apart from Sarah are her mum, her son, and Brix.
ha ha - most of those would have got checked off last night!
:.D:D
So the kitty was left on the Medea with the surveillance photos, the mug shots on the wall, (were they the crew? ), the cameras and the executed crew. So despite burning everything incriminating paper wise, the perp(s) wanted the police to know how much trouble he'd/they'd gone to, to kidnap Emilie.
Sarah got very lucky with that unburnt ad to find the van....without that they'd have absolutely nothing to go on finding the perp.
The pics all looked the same cat on Emilie's artwork. Not sure if the kitty on board was the very same one but I'm presuming it was.
Kitty on board was different as it was a ginger and white one, the ones in her artwork were tabby
Good call minks - just what we arrived at last night in Denley (cough) mansions too.
One question, the crew mate was expecting reimbursement for being witness at the court case - is that common practice in Denmark or was the money he was expecting a bribe/sweetener instead?
I couldn't work out why the crew were all still Zeeland employees despite the Madea being bought by a Latvian company that went bust??
Don't forget Tuesday too. BBC4 is showing repeats one ep per night, one on monday, one on tues.
I think that the 'debt' that the perpetrator wants is a life. That's why he called the ransom of 10 million or whatever it was 'cheap'.
Seems likely, he's not in it for the money. He's already called the police's bluff. He said Emilie would die if Sarah wasn't alone, instead the deputy public prosecutor got it - and that had to be the plan all along.
I was mightily relieved it wasn't Emilie on the roof.
...and there was another example tonight too, Denley. One of the characters said to the other that the search for the kidnapped girl was like looking for "a needle in a haystack" and that phrase is exactly the same in Danish, "en nål i en høstak" [en nawl i en hurstack] with nål being the Danish/Norwegian/Swedish word for needle.
I liked them and I think they're cracking radio crime drama, the_lostprophet - well worth a listen.
Good evening, barnsleykeith. I do tend to go quiet when there's no Scandinavian drama on TV. I did once get a phone call during one of the Wallander episodes :eek: so I try to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
Anyway, tonight's episodes were dark and superb drama and I look forward to the other episodes. By the way, will there be double episodes next week or just a single one? Thanks.
Yep, caught that and it did make me chuckle - the phonetic similarity with some words and phrases from a language we partly shared hundreds of years ago is uncanny.
I started watching The Killing about a week and a half ago (best decision ever) and I was all caught up for tonight! Loved it... cannot wait for next week.
What was the significance of the sailor being tied up at the beginning and made to watch porn? Also, the deputy prosecutor became a victim who was involved in the case of the runaway who apparently committed suicide. Is this all about involvement in pornography? And how did the abductor know that Emilie was mad about cats and used them to lure her away?
Good questions Cadence. Definitely some inside knowledge of the Emilie there - even the school weren't aware of her allergy.
so glad i seen a heads up on this
Recorded this my viewing time is tomoz
peed off the Mrs cant follow the killings after watching S1
she's missed so much and because she cant follow it that means i have to watch it alone when i can.cant wait to watch this
Glad you're with us rossi & as always commiserations about your wife, I hope you're both as well as can be.
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Okay I'll shut up and you can wait with baited breath for my new theory next week.;)
A fall from that height, wouldn't his head have come off?
There must be someone involved though that is close to the family to know that Emilie was kitty obsessed.
On first viewing, I wondered whether it was not the intention to kill the Lativan sailor but, given that he turned up in bits, he got caught up in the propellers of a boat when trying to escape
I'm going to have to watch it all again today as I'm sure there are lots of details I missed. I too was confused about who was who when there were so many similar looking men in suits.
There were politicians and cacti in series 2
But knowing you haven't watched that yet I shall refrain from further comment apart from BK has a cactus called Buch
There just seemed so many peeps popping in and saying that they hadn't watched yet, I shall not put tags on from now on
and Karen is no Rie substitute either.
The first ep was full on understanding the political who's who but I'll maybe do a summary shortly after I've caught up with the thread.
All the politicians in this, in fact everyone except Sarah Lund & her family and Brix, are all new characters so far.
That was very considerate of you minks but tlp & Cadence are right - no need for spoiler tags to discuss what has just aired on UK pace. :cool:
Yes I think that Greek legend Medea may somehow be involved. That's what I thought as soon as I saw Sarah filling in the tattoo. I'm not familiar with the legend but it's an interesting idea. The denouement of the US series Rubicon also hinged on a sign/symbol - won't say anymore for those who haven't seen it.
My initial thoughts are all over the place apart from that! To be honest I was quite confused for much of ep 1. We were chucked right in this time weren't we - shenanigans with the politicians etc? In series 1 I knew the various Danish parties but have forgotten some of them now and I feel I need to know which is which. At first I couldn't differentiate between the middle aged men in suits, as another poster says above. Also for at least 15mins I thought Karen (the Rie of this series - political advisor) was the same person as Maja.
Methinks the boss's aide is a bit suspicious... He would know about the girl's fondness for kitties.
I prefer back to back eps myself. :cool:
Hi allie
ha ha - most of those would have got checked off last night!
:.D:D
So the kitty was left on the Medea with the surveillance photos, the mug shots on the wall, (were they the crew?
Sarah got very lucky with that unburnt ad to find the van....without that they'd have absolutely nothing to go on finding the perp.
The pics all looked the same cat on Emilie's artwork. Not sure if the kitty on board was the very same one but I'm presuming it was.
There were some but it wasn't focused on coalition politics - more Danish politics overall as it relates to the wider world. It wasn't so confusing in that way.
Thank you, that's a relief to know! In that case, I'm sure it'll all fall into place.
Do you mean the same characters were in it?
Oh well, I'm sure it'll make sense to me at some point.
These need more focusing on although it probably won't make sense for now. Someone at the Guardian says that one is to do with the RAF - Red Army Faction rather than Royal Air Force.
No, none of the politicians appear in more than one series. The only characters who go from series to series apart from Sarah are her mum, her son, and Brix.
Good call minks - just what we arrived at last night in Denley (cough) mansions too.
One question, the crew mate was expecting reimbursement for being witness at the court case - is that common practice in Denmark or was the money he was expecting a bribe/sweetener instead?
I couldn't work out why the crew were all still Zeeland employees despite the Madea being bought by a Latvian company that went bust??
Don't forget Tuesday too. BBC4 is showing repeats one ep per night, one on monday, one on tues.
Excellent, thank you. That's what I hoped.
(Although I had been hoping for some Troels!)
Kitty on board was different as it was a ginger and white one, the ones in her artwork were tabby
some lovely (and expensive) Lund knitwear
That puzzled me too Denners
Seems likely, he's not in it for the money. He's already called the police's bluff. He said Emilie would die if Sarah wasn't alone, instead the deputy public prosecutor got it - and that had to be the plan all along.
I was mightily relieved it wasn't Emilie on the roof.
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Yep, caught that and it did make me chuckle - the phonetic similarity with some words and phrases from a language we partly shared hundreds of years ago is uncanny.
hi hannahb
Good questions Cadence. Definitely some inside knowledge of the Emilie there - even the school weren't aware of her allergy.
Glad you're with us rossi