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Windows 8 - is it any better than 7
pfgpowell
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I've just had an email from Windows warning me that the special price to upgrade to 8 for a penny short of £25 runs out on January 31. Looking through the ad, the advantages listed are:
1 Instant access to all your favorite information with the new Start screen and Live tiles.
2 Six free months of unlimited music with XBOX Music Pass**
3 New OS allows faster start-ups and longer battery life on your favorite devices.
Of these only the last is in anyway technical, and to be honest whether I boot up in 30 seconds, 52 seconds or one minute 13 seconds isn't that important to me.
Anyone care to tell me the real advantage of installing 8? I'm a lifelong Mac user but do have a Windows PC at home (for my son and for work), a Windows Lenovo netbook (because I'm self-indulgent) and a Windows laptop for my daughter, and until Windows 7 came along I've always thought Windows not just too much round the houses, but also pretty bloody ugly. 7 changed that and looks half-decent and 8 looks pretty enough, too. But is there a good practical reason to ditch 7 and go for 8?
1 Instant access to all your favorite information with the new Start screen and Live tiles.
2 Six free months of unlimited music with XBOX Music Pass**
3 New OS allows faster start-ups and longer battery life on your favorite devices.
Of these only the last is in anyway technical, and to be honest whether I boot up in 30 seconds, 52 seconds or one minute 13 seconds isn't that important to me.
Anyone care to tell me the real advantage of installing 8? I'm a lifelong Mac user but do have a Windows PC at home (for my son and for work), a Windows Lenovo netbook (because I'm self-indulgent) and a Windows laptop for my daughter, and until Windows 7 came along I've always thought Windows not just too much round the houses, but also pretty bloody ugly. 7 changed that and looks half-decent and 8 looks pretty enough, too. But is there a good practical reason to ditch 7 and go for 8?
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8 boots up faster than 7 and seems to be a bit faster in use and no doubt it is more secure or was more secure when it first came out.
The thing with windows 8 is the new so called Modern UI, some people will disagree, but to me it adds nothing to windows 8, just feels like a bolt on. the good news is that there is plenty of software out there that can give windows 8 a nice windows 7 style start menu.
i got windows 8 because someone paid for it for me, otherwise i would still be windows 7.
Oh, I don't know. The OS before X wasn't as nice looking as X but damn sight nicer that anythng Microsoft could come up with (in my humble opinion, and at the end of the day these things are subjective anyway.)
But my question was more about the technical and practical advances of Windows 8. What are they, especially if you aren't using a touchscreen?
That's about it as far as I can tell. Certainly doesn't appeal to me, the interface makes your computer look like a Fisher-Price toy.
1. 2. and 3. on a desktop are a waste of space as far as I'm concerned.
But there seem to be lots of little under-the-bonnet improvements and I like it. I installed Classic Shell mind you, to hide the silly tiles and pointless tablet-style Apps. At £25, I'd say it's worth the money but I wouldn't pay a penny more.
Some people report the Windows 8 installation process putting some of the operating system's files and folders on various hard discs including removable discs, with no method of controlling this behaviour and extreme difficulty in sorting out the resultant mess. This might perhaps be due to them missing a vital option setting during the installation process, I don't know.
There's a chance that Windows 8 might not be compatible with some of the devices in your computer, especially older devices. That includes external devices such as hard disks, CD/DVD drives and printers. New device drivers might fix such problems, but not always.
There's a chance that Windows 8 might not be compatible with some programs you use, especially older programs. I don't know if Windows 8 has compatibility mode options, I've never seen any mention of them in discussions.
The faster boot option is said to be buggy and unreliable by some people, who have had to disable it. It is also said to drain a laptop's battery at a fairly high rate because the computer isn't fully switched off.
Some people say programs will run faster in Windows 8, while other people say it makes no difference. It probably depends on the hardware and the type of programs being used.
Many people dislike the Metro interface (the large coloured squares and rectangles) and the other user interface changes such as booting in Metro mode, the removal of the Start button and its menu, and the introduction of the Charm icons which appear when the mouse is moved to top right or bottom right without a click being required. Most or all of these changes can be reverted by using one of the many utilities which are available such as Classic Shell (free) or Start8 (small payment required).
Many people find the Metro interface very difficult to learn and awkward to use. However, with the use of one of the utilities Metro can be largely or wholly ignored. And a few people say that after a period of experimentation and exploration they have got used to Metro.
IMHO - if what you've got works for you, there's no point in changing to Windows 8, with the cost, hassle and risks outweighing any possible advantages. Some other people have reached the opposite conclusion of course.
Alot of the hate is for Metro who could with, to quote one of my favourite FMs of all time, reading Who Moved My Cheese
0. Overture
1. I hope they won't move my cheese (soliloquy)
2. Dance of geeks
3. It looks like they may move my cheese after all (fugue)
4. No! They fvcking moved my cheese! (chorus with soli)
5. Waiting for the Windows 9 (choral)
However I can't see the point of the tile interface on a non touchscreen device so I am going to bypass it. I am looking at Start is Back - has anyone used this or one of the others like Classic Shell?
There is only a year of security patches left on xp and then MS will stop supporting it. I bought the windows8 upgrade for £24.99 on that basis.
Also note that it can be transferred to any other computer as it allows clean installs and it can be used to upgrade any computer that has any version of windows on. Obviously you cannot have it on 2 computers at the same time.
I personally prefer to call it Windows Duplo One of my friends just got a Windows 8 laptop (and Windows Phone) and I told him to go and install Classic Shell or something and get the Start menu back but he likes the Duplo tiles.
I would love to be in the cast of that! Are there any parts going?
You can have a solo in #4, 3rd Apple fan from the left: "My dad hated Vista, he'd hate this Duplo crap, too"
Once you get beyond the new Start screen there are a few nice little new features and tweaks in Windows 8 but none of them are revolutionary. As long as you are happy with your Windows 7 system then I wouldn't be in any rush to get Windows 8. I won't be upgrading my desktop or old laptop.
That is a very good point, I agree. They will probably need to get Classic Shell or similar though, except for touch screen systems.
Think you'll find that it's way too late for that now, Metro it was and Metro it will stay, out there in the real World of users. Most users won't care about any trademark or copyright issues MS may or may not have, it's their problem created by their own incompetence! Add that to the interface itself and No wonder the former head of Windows development had to go...
To be honest, I wouldn't advise upgrading any machine made for XP to Windows 8. It will be old now (XP stopped shipping in 2007) so likely an early Core2Duo at best, or more likely a Pentium 4. Wait til you get a new machine for 8.
My PC is fine with windows 8. In fact 8 is faster than XP on it.
You obviously did not understand my post. The point was that if you have an xp machine then you can extend the MS supported life of it with a simple investment of £24.99. After January that will not be possible.
Then if you do get rid of your xp machine in a couple of years, you can use the upgrade on another PC.
I did understand your post, you advised users with old PCs to upgrade to 8. However, the newer OSes are a lot heavier on resources, many XP machines will be a lot slower as the requirements are a lot more than XP.
Cheap at the price is the point I think, so well worth taking a chance on it. 7 pints of London beer!
And if it doesn't work well, not very likely IMO as most people will have upgraded hardware anyway since XP was launched, you still have it for when you do upgrade.
Something to bear in mind though, of course.