It's lost a lot of viewers since it launched but its coming back for a second series anyway.
I find it entertaining but it could have been so much more - instead it's like the Hustle, final two series of Spooks, all of Dr Who and Sherlock driven by upping the emotional content, celebrating implausibility, and overdosing on sentimentality intercut with shock tactics. Pure BBC in the 21st century. At least its not boring, well not very often, unlike when ITV tries to do this kind of thing.
If you are on about the captain, it was self defence.
Poor Hobbs
I still don't understand why she's Long Susan
Great series IMO
Wasn't quite self defence, the gun barrel was empty following that shot.
I've really enjoyed this programme, and missed it last wk when it went away!
Love jacksons character but hoping that will be the end of his story arc and they can just focus on the murders! I'm really enjoying seeing the very early understanding of the human body, esp with regards to forensics. And he's pretty!
Wasn't quite self defence, the gun barrel was empty following that shot.
But they were having a duel - one shot each. The fact that the other guy was blinded by the sun when he took his shot is immaterial - Homer (or should I say Matthew) still had his shot to take. I expect the police were pleased that the horrible man was killed as it saved them having to waste time putting him on trial. I felt about him dying the same way I did at the end of Fatal Attraction when the Glen Close character was killed.
I do agree with the Independent review that the killing of Hobbs may not have been the best idea. Hobbs brought an imminence and lightness to the show and I enjoyed his character respite from the bleakness of the other characters. I do hope in the next series they can find another character to fill his role.
As for the coincidences, I tend to look at RS as a form of Dickens storytelling. That is even though London was teeming with people, Dickens characters always managed to meet their long- lost relative or lost love.
I do agree with the Independent review that the killing of Hobbs may not have been the best idea. Hobbs brought an imminence and lightness to the show and I enjoyed his character respite from the bleakness of the other characters. I do hope in the next series they can find another character to fill his role.
As for the coincidences, I tend to look at RS as a form of Dickens storytelling. That is even though London was teeming with people, Dickens characters always managed to meet their long- lost relative or lost love.
Charles Dickens - the original Eastenders script writer
Apparently the East End at that time was only 2 square miles, or something equally tiny, so I suppose it makes the coincidences more plausible.
But yes, Dickens, Collins and all the Victorian writers used coincidences aplenty to get themselves out of a tight storytelling spot.:D
In those days the East End stretched from Aldgate to Bow Church. Beyond that lay the green fields, marshes and market gardens of Stratford, Essex (apart from the huge train building factory where the Olympic Village is today).
But they were having a duel - one shot each. The fact that the other guy was blinded by the sun when he took his shot is immaterial - Homer (or should I say Matthew) still had his shot to take.
But whilst many were held, and Britain adopted pistol duels far more readily than the continent, duelling was always illegal in Britain.
James I encouraged Francis Bacon as Solicitor-General to prosecute would-be duellists leading to about two hundred prosecutions between 1603 and 1625. He also issued an edict against duelling in 1614 and is believed to have supported production of an anti-duelling tract by the Earl of Northampton.
The fact that many members of the aristocracy fought duels, including Barons and Dukes, didn't help matters and soon the likes of Doctors and Lawyers were fighting pistiol duels. But it was still illegal.
There were about 1,000 people arrested for duelling between 1785 and 1845 with fatality rates running at at least 15% and probably somewhat higher. Many people escaped a murder charge thanks to their lawyer's arguments* but they were at least arrested and put on trial.
So letting it slide because it was a duel, a very public duel, doesn't work.
(Oh and the last recorded duel in England was fought in 1852)
*A particularly fine successful defence was that it was not the fired shot that had killed a man, as it was a perfectly survivable wound. What had killed him was the inadequate actions of the Surgeon afterwards, the shooter therefore could not be charged with murder.
Bad guy Goodnight was killed off too quickly for me - somebody should have made him REALLY suffer. I didn't feel sufficiently satisfied, that he had paid for Hobb's horrible - slow - death.
Bad guy Goodnight was killed off too quickly for me - somebody should have made him REALLY suffer. I didn't feel sufficiently satisfied, that he had paid for Hobb's horrible - slow - death.
Death by Drake and Sgt. Artherton's beard would have been a more fitting punishment
BTW, the guy who played Goodnight was also up for the role of Jackson, very glad the casting people made the decisions they did, Jackson is very pretty, Goodnight, not so much.
Death by Drake and Sgt. Artherton's beard would have been a more fitting punishment
BTW, the guy who played Goodnight was also up for the role of Jackson, very glad the casting people made the decisions they did, Jackson is very pretty, Goodnight, not so much.
They did look a bit alike almost like brothers. But yes he died too quickly. Next episode is also a nice bit of completing the circle. The first case was a Ripper staging as is the last case.
It's lost a lot of viewers since it launched but its coming back for a second series anyway.
I find it entertaining but it could have been so much more - instead it's like the Hustle, final two series of Spooks, all of Dr Who and Sherlock driven by upping the emotional content, celebrating implausibility, and overdosing on sentimentality intercut with shock tactics. Pure BBC in the 21st century. At least its not boring, well not very often, unlike when ITV tries to do this kind of thing.
Most new dramas so far have lost viewers (even mr selfridge has lost around 1.3 viewers). I'm glad that ripper street is coming back- I've been watching it and have just noticed that this thread features heavily in the DS forums. Do many DS users like ripper street- just a curiosity. Should I assume that most of you are guys since this show has a really high male viewer skew- I'm assuming most of you don't watch the dreadful selfridge (which did start off well).
Most new dramas so far have lost viewers (even mr selfridge has lost around 1.3 viewers). I'm glad that ripper street is coming back- I've been watching it and have just noticed that this thread features heavily in the DS forums. Do many DS users like ripper street- just a curiosity. Should I assume that most of you are guys since this show has a really high male viewer skew- I'm assuming most of you don't watch the dreadful selfridge (which did start off well).
I love Ripper St, I'm a woman. Watched the first episode of Mr Selfridge, thought it was a total snoozefest with a very irritating acting style from 'Mr Selfridge'.
Bad guy Goodnight was killed off too quickly for me - somebody should have made him REALLY suffer. I didn't feel sufficiently satisfied, that he had paid for Hobb's horrible - slow - death.
Bit difficult to put it into the context of a duel though:(
Most new dramas so far have lost viewers (even mr selfridge has lost around 1.3 viewers). I'm glad that ripper street is coming back- I've been watching it and have just noticed that this thread features heavily in the DS forums. Do many DS users like ripper street- just a curiosity. Should I assume that most of you are guys since this show has a really high male viewer skew- I'm assuming most of you don't watch the dreadful selfridge (which did start off well).
I'm a 40 yr old woman who enjoys this- though I do tend to like the less frivolous shows- can't stand Mr. Selfridge and Downton Abbey has dropped like a lead balloon.
I think light costume dramas like the two above will always have better ratings simply because they are more family friendly and easier to watch without thinking. That said, I think one of the better costume drama/mysteries has been Foyles War. Why ITV axed it early I'll never know.
I'm a woman too, and while it wouldn't surprise me to find that we were in the minority as viewers of Ripper Street, I really would be surprised if turned out that the minority has been a small one. Maybe having had four kids has hardened me a bit, which would at least explain why so many men seem to be tuning into Call The Midwife for a fix of blood and gore
The only time I've watched Ripper Street through my fingers (*blush) was last night when Hobbs was killed off, probably because they'd worked so hard to make us like him, only to highlight in letters ten miles tall 'This Bloke Is Going To DIE!'
Edited to add that I've never seen 'Mr Selfridge'.
Most new dramas so far have lost viewers (even mr selfridge has lost around 1.3 viewers). I'm glad that ripper street is coming back- I've been watching it and have just noticed that this thread features heavily in the DS forums. Do many DS users like ripper street- just a curiosity. Should I assume that most of you are guys since this show has a really high male viewer skew- I'm assuming most of you don't watch the dreadful selfridge (which did start off well).
I'm a 60 year old woman and I love Ripper Street. There was some discussion about this early on in the thread as I recall - I'm not the only old biddy who's a RS fan!
The Selfridge thing didn't appeal to me at all. Not enough murder in it.
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I find it entertaining but it could have been so much more - instead it's like the Hustle, final two series of Spooks, all of Dr Who and Sherlock driven by upping the emotional content, celebrating implausibility, and overdosing on sentimentality intercut with shock tactics. Pure BBC in the 21st century. At least its not boring, well not very often, unlike when ITV tries to do this kind of thing.
I missed that too!
Passed me by as well
Wasn't quite self defence, the gun barrel was empty following that shot.
I've really enjoyed this programme, and missed it last wk when it went away!
Love jacksons character but hoping that will be the end of his story arc and they can just focus on the murders! I'm really enjoying seeing the very early understanding of the human body, esp with regards to forensics. And he's pretty!
But they were having a duel - one shot each. The fact that the other guy was blinded by the sun when he took his shot is immaterial - Homer (or should I say Matthew) still had his shot to take. I expect the police were pleased that the horrible man was killed as it saved them having to waste time putting him on trial. I felt about him dying the same way I did at the end of Fatal Attraction when the Glen Close character was killed.
As for the coincidences, I tend to look at RS as a form of Dickens storytelling. That is even though London was teeming with people, Dickens characters always managed to meet their long- lost relative or lost love.
Charles Dickens - the original Eastenders script writer
But yes, Dickens, Collins and all the Victorian writers used coincidences aplenty to get themselves out of a tight storytelling spot.:D
His eyes were a bit unnerving weren't they? I thought he had an appropriately evil 'baddie' face.
In those days the East End stretched from Aldgate to Bow Church. Beyond that lay the green fields, marshes and market gardens of Stratford, Essex (apart from the huge train building factory where the Olympic Village is today).
James I encouraged Francis Bacon as Solicitor-General to prosecute would-be duellists leading to about two hundred prosecutions between 1603 and 1625. He also issued an edict against duelling in 1614 and is believed to have supported production of an anti-duelling tract by the Earl of Northampton.
The fact that many members of the aristocracy fought duels, including Barons and Dukes, didn't help matters and soon the likes of Doctors and Lawyers were fighting pistiol duels. But it was still illegal.
There were about 1,000 people arrested for duelling between 1785 and 1845 with fatality rates running at at least 15% and probably somewhat higher. Many people escaped a murder charge thanks to their lawyer's arguments* but they were at least arrested and put on trial.
So letting it slide because it was a duel, a very public duel, doesn't work.
(Oh and the last recorded duel in England was fought in 1852)
*A particularly fine successful defence was that it was not the fired shot that had killed a man, as it was a perfectly survivable wound. What had killed him was the inadequate actions of the Surgeon afterwards, the shooter therefore could not be charged with murder.
Never the less, the Police were satisfied that it was:p
Death by Drake and Sgt. Artherton's beard would have been a more fitting punishment
BTW, the guy who played Goodnight was also up for the role of Jackson, very glad the casting people made the decisions they did, Jackson is very pretty, Goodnight, not so much.
Yes I know, but it's only pretend. Nobody is saying that this really happened in London in the 1890s. It's fiction :rolleyes:
They did look a bit alike almost like brothers. But yes he died too quickly. Next episode is also a nice bit of completing the circle. The first case was a Ripper staging as is the last case.
Most new dramas so far have lost viewers (even mr selfridge has lost around 1.3 viewers). I'm glad that ripper street is coming back- I've been watching it and have just noticed that this thread features heavily in the DS forums. Do many DS users like ripper street- just a curiosity. Should I assume that most of you are guys since this show has a really high male viewer skew- I'm assuming most of you don't watch the dreadful selfridge (which did start off well).
I love Ripper St, I'm a woman. Watched the first episode of Mr Selfridge, thought it was a total snoozefest with a very irritating acting style from 'Mr Selfridge'.
Bit difficult to put it into the context of a duel though:(
I'm a 40 yr old woman who enjoys this- though I do tend to like the less frivolous shows- can't stand Mr. Selfridge and Downton Abbey has dropped like a lead balloon.
I think light costume dramas like the two above will always have better ratings simply because they are more family friendly and easier to watch without thinking. That said, I think one of the better costume drama/mysteries has been Foyles War. Why ITV axed it early I'll never know.
The only time I've watched Ripper Street through my fingers (*blush) was last night when Hobbs was killed off, probably because they'd worked so hard to make us like him, only to highlight in letters ten miles tall 'This Bloke Is Going To DIE!'
Edited to add that I've never seen 'Mr Selfridge'.
I'm a 60 year old woman and I love Ripper Street. There was some discussion about this early on in the thread as I recall - I'm not the only old biddy who's a RS fan!
The Selfridge thing didn't appeal to me at all. Not enough murder in it.