Thing is though that he'd most likely been building up to a massive bender.
I can only guess but possibly he'd been having a drink here and a drink there and the alcohol was in his system.
Alcoholics can all take a drink and remain functioning but the next day leads to an extra one then another extra one and the following day its a few extras and before the alcoholic knows it.........:(
You are quite right - it's called topping up. If an alcoholic stops drinking for say 6 months, a year, 2 years, or even longer, if they start drinking again they don't start at the point as if they've never had a drink, but at the point they stopped drinking.
FA and England squad have chipped in 40k to help him, funny that, everyones been saying for months and months and months that they should help him, yet not a thing, they didn't want to know, but now hes supposed to be close to death, the buggers are scrambling to help, you couldn't make it up, should have helped him before when it was asked!.
Its like when people campaign to get a road made safer, they won't do anything, just tell them to sod off, then when a kid gets killed on that road, they make it safer!
FA and England squad have chipped in 40k to help him, funny that, everyones been saying for months and months and months that they should help him, yet not a thing, they didn't want to know, but now hes supposed to be close to death, the buggers are scrambling to help, you couldn't make it up, should have helped him before when it was asked!.
Its like when people campaign to get a road made safer, they won't do anything, just tell them to sod off, then when a kid gets killed on that road, they make it safer!
Why should they fund him? He's a complete joke . He's had load of support over the years but truth is he wants to drink!
I'm sick of seeing his ugly bloated mug over the front pages of the sun tbh (hubbies toilet paper, not mine) he's a pathetic waste of space who should just sod off. I can think of a zillion better causes than him! Grrrrr
FA and England squad have chipped in 40k to help him, funny that, everyones been saying for months and months and months that they should help him, yet not a thing, they didn't want to know, but now hes supposed to be close to death, the buggers are scrambling to help, you couldn't make it up, should have helped him before when it was asked!.
Its like when people campaign to get a road made safer, they won't do anything, just tell them to sod off, then when a kid gets killed on that road, they make it safer!
The FA and the PFA have spent a lot of money putting him in detox time and time again - do your research.
Only last year the PFA paid for him to go to Sporting Chance - the place that Tony Adams set up for addicts. He stayed a few days then checked himself out. He does not want to help himself and until he does - he will drink
I'm surprised too, but then according to the Mirror he wasn't discharged but left early. 5 weeks is nothing. At this moment his body may be free of alcohol, but his mind certainly isn't. I wish him luck.
That's not rehab, that's a holiday. He needs an absolute minimum of 3 months and unless he's going on to another residential or day programme (and I don't mean just attending AA meetings), I think he's doomed. Sad.
Let's be realistic about this - he's going to die. He's going to die because he's got an untreatable addiction and because, more importantly, he doesn't want to get over it - because if he did, he would have by now. You can have all the help in the world but if, deep, deep down, you don't want to stop then you won't. Two words: George Best.
I've had family experience of both sides: a brother who did want to stop, and did... and someone else who said he wanted to stop but didn't despite all the help you could ask for. He's dead now.
given how long-running his problems are and that his friends were funding treatment I struggle to understand why he didn't stay at the clinic longer. That article suggests he is going back to Bournemouth and going to start AA meetings again, deja vu. Best of luck to him but he has the benefit of hindsight from similar previous situations so I don't understand his logic. As Lexi said 3 months minimum, anything less sounds like a mini-break
PR machine keeps following him. I understand he used to get money for every picture in the paper. I think Newcastle United or England should offer him something?
He is out before he was in. No chance I would say. He seems like one of those addicts who expect other people to do the hard work for him because he really doesn't want to get over it. Give it a few more weeks and lets see what happens.
I hope so but I'm not sure. His dad used to think is was fine to take him down the pub as long as he didn't have a beer. Lets hope he's been educated somewhat since those days and he realises his son is in the last chance saloon now.
I'll quote this again in case anyone hasn't read it. A very honest piece by Jimmy Greaves who's been through the same hell.
Something that stood out in the article that i've thought of before is I wonder if someone somewhere could give him a role in football.. a daily one. Something he could get up for and turn up for each day. Maybe something to do with training. It would need to be a top club to keep his interest, but not Newcastle. It was just a thought. Perhaps he would see it as pity but if he had a purpose and could work towards something in football and help others perhaps it would give him a reason to keep going.
Something that stood out in the article that i've thought of before is I wonder if someone somewhere could give him a role in football.. a daily one. Something he could get up for and turn up for each day. Maybe something to do with training. It would need to be a top club to keep his interest, but not Newcastle. It was just a thought. Perhaps he would see it as pity but if he had a purpose and could work towards something in football and help others perhaps it would give him a reason to keep going.
He was manager of Kettering Town for 39 days back in 2005. That didn't help.
I think Jimmy Greaves is right in that he says in that piece that Gazza just doesn't have the sheer 'bloody mindedness' to get out of this mess.
It would need to be a bigger role than that somewhere bigger at a club like Man Utd. Somewhere he would have his own little role as part of a bigger setup. Being manager of a club is just all wrong for him. I know what Jimmy is getting at but I don't think that means he should be given up on as a lost cause. Someone, somewhere, surely could offer him a role of importance that involves football as many days a week as possible.
given how long-running his problems are and that his friends were funding treatment I struggle to understand why he didn't stay at the clinic longer. That article suggests he is going back to Bournemouth and going to start AA meetings again, deja vu. Best of luck to him but he has the benefit of hindsight from similar previous situations so I don't understand his logic. As Lexi said 3 months minimum, anything less sounds like a mini-break
I made much the same point on the other thread a few weeks ago. I'm no expert at all but given how deep rooted his problems are I would have thought several months in rehab would be a must. I can't see someone like him coping just going to AA meetings and so on. I mean he was injecting cocaine just a few weeks ago.
He has form for leaving early rehab early as well. I know they say the rehab was happy for him to go but its not a good sign to me.
A point I made in the other thread is that I don't really think he has ever been clean as such. When he wasn't drinking (as fas as we know) I read and saw several interviews and most mentioned his constant chain smoking and others his non-stop exercise regime. To me it just seemed he was replacing one addiction with another. One may not be as bad as the other, but addicted all the same. Anything he did had to be done to excess. Didn't seem to me he had ever really dealt with his problems.
I really hope he does get better but at the moment all I can't see anything except the next and perhaps final "relapse".
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You are quite right - it's called topping up. If an alcoholic stops drinking for say 6 months, a year, 2 years, or even longer, if they start drinking again they don't start at the point as if they've never had a drink, but at the point they stopped drinking.
Its like when people campaign to get a road made safer, they won't do anything, just tell them to sod off, then when a kid gets killed on that road, they make it safer!
Why should they fund him? He's a complete joke . He's had load of support over the years but truth is he wants to drink!
I'm sick of seeing his ugly bloated mug over the front pages of the sun tbh (hubbies toilet paper, not mine) he's a pathetic waste of space who should just sod off. I can think of a zillion better causes than him! Grrrrr
The FA and the PFA have spent a lot of money putting him in detox time and time again - do your research.
Only last year the PFA paid for him to go to Sporting Chance - the place that Tony Adams set up for addicts. He stayed a few days then checked himself out. He does not want to help himself and until he does - he will drink
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paul-gascoigne-returns-rehab-knowing-1751898
I'm surprised too, but then according to the Mirror he wasn't discharged but left early. 5 weeks is nothing. At this moment his body may be free of alcohol, but his mind certainly isn't. I wish him luck.
Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Me neither. A month is not long enough, no way. It'll be the same old, same old, I'm afraid.
That's not rehab, that's a holiday. He needs an absolute minimum of 3 months and unless he's going on to another residential or day programme (and I don't mean just attending AA meetings), I think he's doomed. Sad.
I've had family experience of both sides: a brother who did want to stop, and did... and someone else who said he wanted to stop but didn't despite all the help you could ask for. He's dead now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21732018
given how long-running his problems are and that his friends were funding treatment I struggle to understand why he didn't stay at the clinic longer. That article suggests he is going back to Bournemouth and going to start AA meetings again, deja vu. Best of luck to him but he has the benefit of hindsight from similar previous situations so I don't understand his logic. As Lexi said 3 months minimum, anything less sounds like a mini-break
Its just a normal thing for a addict to convince themselfs they are cured and now in control.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paul-gascoigne-vows-beat-alcohol-1753806
Did he bring the hospital gown with him.
PR machine keeps following him. I understand he used to get money for every picture in the paper. I think Newcastle United or England should offer him something?
I hope so but I'm not sure. His dad used to think is was fine to take him down the pub as long as he didn't have a beer. Lets hope he's been educated somewhat since those days and he realises his son is in the last chance saloon now.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-greaves-talks-about-paul-gascoigne-1646950
i agree - we've heard it all before - damage must surely be done and it wont be far off needing a transplant stage.
Something that stood out in the article that i've thought of before is I wonder if someone somewhere could give him a role in football.. a daily one. Something he could get up for and turn up for each day. Maybe something to do with training. It would need to be a top club to keep his interest, but not Newcastle. It was just a thought. Perhaps he would see it as pity but if he had a purpose and could work towards something in football and help others perhaps it would give him a reason to keep going.
He was manager of Kettering Town for 39 days back in 2005. That didn't help.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/4500388.stm
I think Jimmy Greaves is right in that he says in that piece that Gazza just doesn't have the sheer 'bloody mindedness' to get out of this mess.
It would need to be a bigger role than that somewhere bigger at a club like Man Utd. Somewhere he would have his own little role as part of a bigger setup. Being manager of a club is just all wrong for him. I know what Jimmy is getting at but I don't think that means he should be given up on as a lost cause. Someone, somewhere, surely could offer him a role of importance that involves football as many days a week as possible.
I made much the same point on the other thread a few weeks ago. I'm no expert at all but given how deep rooted his problems are I would have thought several months in rehab would be a must. I can't see someone like him coping just going to AA meetings and so on. I mean he was injecting cocaine just a few weeks ago.
He has form for leaving early rehab early as well. I know they say the rehab was happy for him to go but its not a good sign to me.
A point I made in the other thread is that I don't really think he has ever been clean as such. When he wasn't drinking (as fas as we know) I read and saw several interviews and most mentioned his constant chain smoking and others his non-stop exercise regime. To me it just seemed he was replacing one addiction with another. One may not be as bad as the other, but addicted all the same. Anything he did had to be done to excess. Didn't seem to me he had ever really dealt with his problems.
I really hope he does get better but at the moment all I can't see anything except the next and perhaps final "relapse".