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Dreading River Song's final song...
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The end is approaching and I for one will definitely be shedding a tear on the day in which Doctor Who loses one of it's most fascinating and beautiful characters, River Song.
People have been speculating that the Doctor may prevent River's death but if he stops the stuff from happening at the library, that will mean she never existed in the first place to meet Tennant's doctor...
The Doctor: "Time can be re-written"
River: "Not those times. Not one bit. Don't you dare!"
"You watch us run!"
I'm only looking forward to the new series for River! Hope she stays till the 50th but think it'd be unfair if the 50th is focused around her as a lot of people don't like her as much as I do.
River Song - The most important woman in the Doctor's life. Ever. "Hello Sweetie!"
People have been speculating that the Doctor may prevent River's death but if he stops the stuff from happening at the library, that will mean she never existed in the first place to meet Tennant's doctor...
The Doctor: "Time can be re-written"
River: "Not those times. Not one bit. Don't you dare!"
"You watch us run!"
I'm only looking forward to the new series for River! Hope she stays till the 50th but think it'd be unfair if the 50th is focused around her as a lot of people don't like her as much as I do.
River Song - The most important woman in the Doctor's life. Ever. "Hello Sweetie!"
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We've (probably) already seen her just prior to departure for the Library - the future Doctor (still 11) and River who accidentally enter the present Doctor's TARDIS in "Last Night".
In that, future River made no comment about the present Doctor's TARDIS interior - she mistook it for her future Doctor's. Either future River is not very observant (unlikely) or that future Doctor is from a point before "The Snowmen".
I suppose you could theorise that future Doctor had reverted to an earlier "desktop", but it could mean that in "The Snowmen" he's grieving for River too and not just Amy and Rory.
We could still meet an earlier version of River of course.
And also what's to stop the Doctor returning to the library and retrieving River from the computer anyway? He'd only have to create a body for her to live in. Shouldn't be a problem for a being like the Doctor, surely? Maybe future Doctor has already done that.
I don't think any of this will be in the special though.
Just my 10¢, FWIW.
When he is about to regenerate go back to the library and merge his regenerating body with her stored consciousness and voila next Doctor who just happens to be female.
I think we may see more of her yet..
Remember that River didn't know 10 when she met him in the library. He could have been equally from after her time than before it.
I don't think her being a large part of the 50th special would be appropriate as I feel it should be mainly about the Doctors..
Although there would be some interesting dialogue...:D
I think you will find that was Susan. His granddaughter.
We're clearly meant to assume that the River in the opening sequence in Stormcage and hears the TARDIS materialising is the same River that enters the TARDIS.
The Moff usually writes things that reward paying close attention, so surely not a continuity error, but what does it really mean?
She obviously met the 11th Doctor innumerable times off-screen. I believe she meets future Doctors innumerable times too but those meetings should be almost invariably off-screen too. I also believe she additionally met the 10th Doctor once, twice or thrice off-screen after (from his and our point of view) the library.
There is no real need to see her receiving the sonic screwdriver she has in the library from the Doctor in an on-screen adventure, but if we do I believe it should be the 12th Doctor who gives it to her.
Or, and I known this sounds crazy but bear with me, it was written and filmed before they know they were making a new TARDIS.
Or maybe Susan's grandmother.
No, that would be Susan's grandmother.
What if she is Susan's grandmother?! :eek:
But seriously, I hope Moffat doesn't go back on River's already established death, it would undermine her whole story.
Yes, I know that of course.
I just thought it would be interesting to discuss in-story explanations.
I know this sounds crazy, but bear with me, there's really no need for the patronising tone.
Let's play nice? Please? I come on this forum for pleasure, not to antagonise or to be antagonised.
And I wouldn't say she was the most important person to the Doctor though. Maybe at the moment perhaps, and his companion. But I bet it was probably his Wife originally before something happened to her. Let's hope we never find out what, ruins the mystery. Also any of his kids, before something happened to them. Something had to have happened for them not to be in A Unearthly Child I guess. Wouldn't his wife run away with him there?
Perhaps each Doctor is in love with a different person. One loved his Wife who he had children with, Ten loves Rose, Eleven loves River, etc.
If I used my over thinking powers on something useful I could be quite dangerous.
Bit of an overreaction. I was kidding, in a friendly way. My mistake, it wasnt very obvious; perhaps I should of put one of these:
River could have turned into a man.
No, no, no!
Completely agree. Moffat had a chance to create a character who could of kept popping up every so often, like the Brigadier, but forever. Why he decided to then go and show us all of her regenerations I'll never know. Such a wasted opportunity. Especially since he then went on to have her marry the Doctor. If you're going to do that, give her the chance to outlive any actor, much like the Doctor.
Of course, he could rewrite her death and have any future incarnations be after Alex Kingston but I'd hate that because the whole point of this story has been we've always known how she'll die.
OK. Thanks. Perhaps I was over sensitised given the other recent interaction. It's very hard to convey or read intended meaning, especially irony, in a text only medium like this forum.
I agree that it felt like River's regeneration ability was squandered. It could easily have been written so that she used just one of her regenerations.
I'm less sure about future reappearances. We've seen her apparent end in the Library as River, Alex Kingston, but you could continue without rewriting that. She'd have to be recovered from CAL and given a body that could regenerate to always be able to pop up for future Doctors with different actors.
Ah, you're right; I'd forgotten that she was living backwards, so to speak.
Well, Moffat should have worked something out - he's the writer, not me. What does he get paid for?;):D
I can't wait for it! Lots of tears, I hope.:D