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Russell Brand on Margaret Thatcher

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This is currently trending on Twitter, and attracting rave reviews:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

It really is an excellent (if long) piece, and I feel that it can be appreciated for its eloquence and capacity to conjure up a general mood, even if one doesn't share Brand's political stance.
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    Glyn WGlyn W Posts: 5,819
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    I couldn't care less what that berk thinks about anything.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,232
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    You needn't agree with his stance, or even take much notice of it, to appreciate this piece. His writing is excellent. No problem if it's not for you. I just thought I'd post the piece here for people to read if they feel like it. I understand completely that many (including you) won't be interested.
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    MuzeMuze Posts: 2,225
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    Lol that's a title to even get an exhausted Muze's attention ;)
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    Glyn WGlyn W Posts: 5,819
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    Blamhappy2 wrote: »
    You needn't agree with his stance, or even take much notice of it, to appreciate this piece. His writing is excellent. No problem if it's not for you. I just thought I'd post the piece here for people to read if they feel like it. I understand completely that many (including you) won't be interested.

    Try posting a link that works. ;)

    Not that I'll read it. The man is too affectatious for me to be able to take seriously.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,845
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    Russell Brand loves socialism so much he had to move to the USA, the great bastion of capitalism for his film career.

    Hypocrite.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    It's not too bad actually.

    I'm around his age group and feel very much the same about much he writes there.

    He's bang on about her being an individualist not a feminist.

    Most of all though he does give a sense of the aura of the place around that time or at least as I remember it too. A lot of it as well not really tangible in the sense that one can stick it in a for or against discussion about Thatcher, but if you were there, you'd know fully too well that harrowing feeling. There was a real oppressive feel about the place under her, and an authoritarian one too.

    Many of my childhood memories of the television around that time are of seeing groups of people set upon by police men with sticks. I think that says it all.
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    MD1500MD1500 Posts: 14,234
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    As someone of a similar age to Russell, this was a very well written article.
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    Mick_SwaggerMick_Swagger Posts: 485
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    Glyn W wrote: »
    I couldn't care less what that berk thinks about anything.

    Translation:

    I read it and i don't agree with his opinion.
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    divingbboydivingbboy Posts: 14,074
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    Whether one agrees with him or not (and I frequently do not), Russell Brand is a very interesting, thought-provoking guy. I don't agree with most of the article, but it's very well-written and obviously heartfelt. I wish Britain had more like him, frankly.
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    Raquelos.Raquelos. Posts: 7,734
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    divingbboy wrote: »
    Whether one agrees with him or not (and I frequently do not), Russell Brand is a very interesting, thought-provoking guy. I don't agree with most of the article, but it's very well-written and obviously heartfelt. I wish Britain had more like him, frankly.

    Completely agree, he has the ability to irritate the hell out of me with some of his posturing, but when you strip away the deliberate jibber jabber he can be articulate and insightful. I wish we saw more of this side of him tbh
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    I think his conclusion that she is an individualist rather than a feminist is questionable.

    The opposite of feminism is masochism, and if Thatcher had been asked if women should enjoy fewer rights than men she would have given an equivocal "no" - no woman would give any other answer, and that is what makes a feminist regardless of the label they choose for themselves.

    It's also absurd to make a differentiation between individualism and feminism because for a woman to succeed as an individual, her path first needs to be paved by feminism, so the two are intimately linked.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Translation:

    I read it and i don't agree with his opinion.
    Translation - I DIDN'T read it and I don't agree with his opinion
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    occyoccy Posts: 65,839
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    He's an idiot and should shut up. He's too young to really know anything about her. How on earth does he know about what the children think.
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    JillyJilly Posts: 20,455
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    occy wrote: »
    He's an idiot and should shut up. He's too young to really know anything about her. How on earth does he know about what the children think.

    He would have been four years old when she came in to office.
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    Glyn WGlyn W Posts: 5,819
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    Translation:

    I read it and i don't agree with his opinion.

    No, the translation is 'I haven't read it because I couldn't care less what that berk thinks about anything.'
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    BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    It's not too bad actually.

    I'm around his age group and feel very much the same about much he writes there.

    He's bang on about her being an individualist not a feminist.

    Most of all though he does give a sense of the aura of the place around that time or at least as I remember it too. A lot of it as well not really tangible in the sense that one can stick it in a for or against discussion about Thatcher, but if you were there, you'd know fully too well that harrowing feeling. There was a real oppressive feel about the place under her, and an authoritarian one too.

    Many of my childhood memories of the television around that time are of seeing groups of people set upon by police men with sticks. I think that says it all.

    Your memories are distorted along with all your views.
    The first casualty was a police officer, PC Akers, who was hit in the face by a brick at about 8am, and taken to hospital
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    muntamunta Posts: 18,285
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    I think his conclusion that she is an individualist rather than a feminist is questionable.

    The opposite of feminism is masochism, and if Thatcher had been asked if women should enjoy fewer rights than men she would have given an equivocal "no" - no woman would give any other answer, and that is what makes a feminist regardless of the label they choose for themselves.

    It's also absurd to make a differentiation between individualism and feminism because for a woman to succeed as an individual, her path first needs to be paved by feminism, so the two are intimately linked.

    I think you could invest in a dictionary. :D
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    MariesamMariesam Posts: 3,797
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    I wish all these comedians and others with these views would start a new party up....for the sake of democracy because not one of the parties today supports their opinions.....there is a massive hole in the left side of politics why dont they fill it?......It might put an extra challenge in to all the safe seat MPS around the country and help democracy greatly......i dont agree with their views but to encourage more people to vote there should be a party that puts forward their arguments....
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Glyn W wrote: »
    I couldn't care less what that berk thinks about anything.

    You should read it. He's very clever, very insightful.

    Don't believe what the daily mail say about him.
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    paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    Translation - I DIDN'T read it and I don't agree with his opinion

    I did read it - and was surprised at how eloquent it was - normally I cannot stand Russell Brand it was however well written. Don't agree with everything he said however - like most of the left he kind of missed the point when Mrs Thatcher said 'There is no such thing as society' But then again even New Labour confuses the State with the rest of the society.
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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    Her refusal to stand against apartheid, her civil war against the unions, her aggression towards our neighbours in Ireland and a taxation system that was devised in the dark ages, the bombing of a retreating ship – it's just not British.
    So many things wrong with this.

    The Unions had the country on its knees, the people in "Ireland" as he calls it weren't just neighbours like he says but physical force Republicans willing to bomb and shoot to a United Ireland.

    He also forgets the country was on its knees in 1979, rubbish not being collected and dead bodies not being buried. Some people have been rewriting history so far since she died.
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    nottinghamcnottinghamc Posts: 11,929
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    'Bombing' of a retreating ship? It was torpedoed, and it wasn't 'retreating'.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    This was quite interesting.
    Interestingly, one mate of mine, a proper leftie, in his heyday all Red Wedge and right-on punch-ups, was melancholy. "I thought I'd be overjoyed, but really it's just … another one bites the dust …" This demonstrates, I suppose, that if you opposed Thatcher's ideas it was likely because of their lack of compassion, which is really just a word for love. If love is something you cherish, it is hard to glean much joy from death, even in one's enemies.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    Sun Tzu. wrote: »
    So many things wrong with this.

    The Unions had the country on its knees, the people in "Ireland" as he calls it weren't just neighbours like he says but physical force Republicans willing to bomb and shoot to a United Ireland.

    He also forgets the country was on its knees in 1979, rubbish not being collected and dead bodies not being buried. Some people have been rewriting history so far since she died.

    So rather than stick to facts you also decide to exaggerate things? I was around then and things could be grim, but it simply wasn't the case that the country was on its knees. There were a few notable strikes that impacted many people, but most had little or no impact on anyone other than the company and workers involved.
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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    So rather than stick to facts you also decide to exaggerate things? I was around then and things could be grim, but it simply wasn't the case that the country was on its knees. There were a few notable strikes that impacted many people, but most had little or no impact on anyone other than the company and workers involved.
    Look at the history of the Winter of Discontent. The UK was seen as the laughing stock of Europe. The bodies and rubbish isn't made up. It did happen.
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