The radio spoof 'Down the Line' parodied this kind of caller, with a couple of Paul Whitehouse's characters arguing that that they wouldn't be allowed to say 'x, y, x' or that they're denied a platform to express their views. The point being that they were expressing these views and were given the platform to do it but didn't have much of a point other than the insistance that they didn't have these things.
Great series that nails many of the callers on LBC, Talk Sport &c. Incidentally, a new series just started again last week.
I loved "Down The Line," when it was on Radio Four, but haven't had a chance to catch the television series, how has it migrated, is it any good?
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Never mind. I'm not that bothered.
Do you have a Facebook account, VQ? It works for me and, if you haven't, it's the only explanation that I can come up with as to why you can't access the page.
I know it's an admirable sentiment, one that we should all try to emulate, but it's statements like this that make me want to smack the smug, self-satisfied face out of which it emerged.
Do you have a Facebook account, VQ? It works for me and, if you haven't, it's the only explanation that I can come up with as to why you can't access the page.
No, Twinks. I did join once but kept getting strange messages from complete strangers so I unsubscribed.
I've always felt quite at home in Chin's dungeon. I won't bother about the alternative.
No, Twinks. I did join once but kept getting strange messages from complete strangers so I unsubscribed. I've always felt quite at home in Chin's dungeon. I won't bother about the alternative.
I know it's an admirable sentiment, one that we should all try to emulate, but it's statements like this that make me want to smack the smug, self-satisfied face out of which it emerged.
As someone who never considers ethnicity or geographical origin when assessing a human's worth, I feel excluded from most political debates.
I fear we must gird our loins for a lecture from young Mr O'B.
Surely your anger face-slapping would be much better directed at the people who DO consider ethnicity and geographical origin when assessing someone's worth?
My bet is that you've never experienced being the target of that. For those that have, I'm rather pleased people like JOB exist who speak out against it. Smug? Naw. A good egg at heart.
Quite agree makeba. It is only the majority who could consider such an outpouring as lecturing. And after all they do like to "lecture" the world about "PC gone mad" every time beliefs are challenged.
Surely your anger face-slapping would be much better directed at the people who DO consider ethnicity and geographical origin when assessing someone's worth?
My bet is that you've never experienced being the target of that. For those that have, I'm rather pleased people like JOB exist who speak out against it. Smug? Naw. A good egg at heart.
No, my point was it's just J O'B who has that effect on me. He sometimes annoys me in a way that other presenters annoy my fellow posters. I might not have experienced prejudice myself but, having grown up with an adopted black cousin, I've always been aware that it exists. And, don't forget, racial and religious prejudice is by no means a one-way street.
No, my point was it's just J O'B who has that effect on me. He sometimes annoys me in a way that other presenters annoy my fellow posters. .
Ah - fair enough! You won't be surprised to hear that I don't find him annoying in that way (well, not often!).
I might not have experienced prejudice myself but, having grown up with an adopted black cousin, I've always been aware that it exists.
I'm not a big fan of identity politics, and I do agree that most people with a brain can at least begin to imagine what it's like... BUT... but... I don't think most people realise just how often it happens and to what extent.
I can't help it - but it really irks me when people take time to pick out the exception, but don't (apparently) spend the same energy on fighting or even acknowledging the much bigger problem. I hope you understand what I mean by that.
And, don't forget, racial and religious prejudice is by no means a one-way street.
No, it's not, but this kind of fits in to the point I made above. 'Traditional' racism is a massively bigger problem and, given the power structures in the UK, a much more important problem, because of the practical effects it has. So I refer you to my paragraph above, and I'd perhaps ask you to question why someone would feel the need to mention this at all, in context.
Quite agree makeba. It is only the majority who could consider such an outpouring as lecturing. And after all they do like to "lecture" the world about "PC gone mad" every time beliefs are challenged.
This is why I like JOB so much, although I certainly don't always agree with him.
But he at least challenges people to justify their views, which they very often cannot do. What's disappointing to me is that those people then usually get very defensive, rather than consider that they might be wrong. I find it very immature.
I was in an Indian restaurant last night, and some (very English) woman behind me complained to the waiter that what she'd eaten wasn't authentic. He tried to explain the regional variations, etc, but she wouldn't have it. Then she turned to her colleague and said that it was such a shame that the first generations had worked so hard, only for the second generations to have lost it all... stunningly rude, not a little bit racist, and incredibly ignorant. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion, she'd be the first person to complain about bad manners elsewhere.
Every so often, though, you get do someone call in and say that they've had their mind changed. For all his faults, I think JOB stands almost alone in this.
This is why I like JOB so much, although I certainly don't always agree with him.
But he at least challenges people to justify their views, which they very often cannot do. What's disappointing to me is that those people then usually get very defensive, rather than consider that they might be wrong. I find it very immature.
Every so often, though, you get do someone call in and say that they've had their mind changed. For all his faults, I think JOB stands almost alone in this.
Good to see you are still wearing the blinkers.:);)
No, my point was it's just J O'B who has that effect on me. He sometimes annoys me in a way that other presenters annoy my fellow posters. I might not have experienced prejudice myself but, having grown up with an adopted black cousin, I've always been aware that it exists. And, don't forget, racial and religious prejudice is by no means a one-way street.
This is why I like JOB so much, although I certainly don't always agree with him.
I was in an Indian restaurant last night, and some (very English) woman behind me complained to the waiter that what she'd eaten wasn't authentic. He tried to explain the regional variations, etc, but she wouldn't have it. Then she turned to her colleague and said that it was such a shame that the first generations had worked so hard, only for the second generations to have lost it all... stunningly rude, not a little bit racist, and incredibly ignorant. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion, she'd be the first person to complain about bad manners elsewhere.
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This post has left me wondering what a 'very English woman' is.
I'm an English woman but I can't think what I'd have to do to become a 'very' English woman.
Now lbc talking american abduction rubbish, More boring American child claptrap story's who the hell cares, what's it got to do with us.
Talk British issues not yank issues getting bored with this.
Now lbc talking american abduction rubbish, More boring American child claptrap story's who the hell cares, what's it got to do with us.
Talk British issues not yank issues getting bored with this.
All the English newspapers are onl9ne. Go and have a nice quiet read.
Ah - fair enough! You won't be surprised to hear that I don't find him annoying in that way (well, not often!).
I'm not a big fan of identity politics, and I do agree that most people with a brain can at least begin to imagine what it's like... BUT... but... I don't think most people realise just how often it happens and to what extent.
I can't help it - but it really irks me when people take time to pick out the exception, but don't (apparently) spend the same energy on fighting or even acknowledging the much bigger problem. I hope you understand what I mean by that.
No, it's not, but this kind of fits in to the point I made above. 'Traditional' racism is a massively bigger problem and, given the power structures in the UK, a much more important problem, because of the practical effects it has. So I refer you to my paragraph above, and I'd perhaps ask you to question why someone would feel the need to mention this at all, in context.
I hate everyone that way no one can feel left out and they can all join together to condemn me.:p
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I loved "Down The Line," when it was on Radio Four, but haven't had a chance to catch the television series, how has it migrated, is it any good?
Doesn't work for me either, Martin.
Works for me. Try this:
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Morning all.
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Never mind. I'm not that bothered.
Do you have a Facebook account, VQ? It works for me and, if you haven't, it's the only explanation that I can come up with as to why you can't access the page.
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As someone who never considers ethnicity or geographical origin when assessing a human's worth, I feel excluded from most political debates.
I fear we must gird our loins for a lecture from young Mr O'B.
No, Twinks. I did join once but kept getting strange messages from complete strangers so I unsubscribed.
I've always felt quite at home in Chin's dungeon. I won't bother about the alternative.
I'm not surprised you got strange messages!
Hahaha!! Good point.
It must be because you're not old enough yet, Twinks.
Surely your anger face-slapping would be much better directed at the people who DO consider ethnicity and geographical origin when assessing someone's worth?
My bet is that you've never experienced being the target of that. For those that have, I'm rather pleased people like JOB exist who speak out against it. Smug? Naw. A good egg at heart.
Damn and blast it!! I'm missing out - big time!
No, my point was it's just J O'B who has that effect on me. He sometimes annoys me in a way that other presenters annoy my fellow posters. I might not have experienced prejudice myself but, having grown up with an adopted black cousin, I've always been aware that it exists. And, don't forget, racial and religious prejudice is by no means a one-way street.
Ah - fair enough! You won't be surprised to hear that I don't find him annoying in that way (well, not often!).
I'm not a big fan of identity politics, and I do agree that most people with a brain can at least begin to imagine what it's like... BUT... but... I don't think most people realise just how often it happens and to what extent.
I can't help it - but it really irks me when people take time to pick out the exception, but don't (apparently) spend the same energy on fighting or even acknowledging the much bigger problem. I hope you understand what I mean by that.
No, it's not, but this kind of fits in to the point I made above. 'Traditional' racism is a massively bigger problem and, given the power structures in the UK, a much more important problem, because of the practical effects it has. So I refer you to my paragraph above, and I'd perhaps ask you to question why someone would feel the need to mention this at all, in context.
This is why I like JOB so much, although I certainly don't always agree with him.
But he at least challenges people to justify their views, which they very often cannot do. What's disappointing to me is that those people then usually get very defensive, rather than consider that they might be wrong. I find it very immature.
I was in an Indian restaurant last night, and some (very English) woman behind me complained to the waiter that what she'd eaten wasn't authentic. He tried to explain the regional variations, etc, but she wouldn't have it. Then she turned to her colleague and said that it was such a shame that the first generations had worked so hard, only for the second generations to have lost it all... stunningly rude, not a little bit racist, and incredibly ignorant. Yet I have a sneaking suspicion, she'd be the first person to complain about bad manners elsewhere.
Every so often, though, you get do someone call in and say that they've had their mind changed. For all his faults, I think JOB stands almost alone in this.
Good to see you are still wearing the blinkers.:);)
How can you tell through that blindfold you're wearing?
Oh please....come on now.
Sorry?
This post has left me wondering what a 'very English woman' is.
I'm an English woman but I can't think what I'd have to do to become a 'very' English woman.
Talk British issues not yank issues getting bored with this.
All the English newspapers are onl9ne. Go and have a nice quiet read.
I hate everyone that way no one can feel left out and they can all join together to condemn me.:p