The policy of minimising in-house coursework in favour of one big exam at the end of two years. If that doesn't encourage learning purely to pass exams then I'm Bo Derek.
Years of experience indoctrinating generations of children with their crappy revisionist ideas.
Yes I am aware of that.
Seriously?
Are you aware of what actually goes on in schools?
I'm gobsmacked at the general ignorance of the teaching profession.
Anyone making these kinds of statements should volunteer for a few hours a week in schools and you will soon change your tiny little minds....clowns and idiots the lot of you!
Those who dont know much about education seem to thing Gove is doing a splendid job. Those who know realise that his stupid policies have damaged education so much that we will never be as good as Finland or Sweden. I am sure he must have had a hard time at school and there does everything in his power to destroy teachers morale. The NAHT is not as militant as the NUT and if they are anti Gove there must be a reason.
oh my word, just watched news at it's uncomfortable viewing watching Michael Gove, say I think we will have to part ways, whatever that means, hopefully means Gove is going to resign, unless he means he's sacking every headteacher who's part of the union
The policy of minimising in-house coursework in favour of one big exam at the end of two years. If that doesn't encourage learning purely to pass exams then I'm Bo Derek.
It's how it was in the old days with O-Levels. It involved "rote" learning of principles then application by bringing together many ideas in a final exam. Not like the modularised crap we have now.
Why is that better?
Because when trying to solve problems we have to combine various methods learnt. Not just rely on something covered in the last 13 weeks (or whatever it is)
oh my word, just watched news at it's uncomfortable viewing watching Michael Gove, say I think we will have to part ways, whatever that means, hopefully means Gove is going to resign, unless he means he's sacking every headteacher who's part of the union
I don't think Mr Gove will consider resigning because his much needed reforms upset another Union, scared of change and upsetting the comfortable, easy gravy train.
In modern politics Gove is pure gold and if he wasn't driving improvements and therefore not pleasing the self-interested Unions, he would be failing the nations children.
ianmatt, he is annoying the unions because he's makiing things WORSE not because he's making them better.
Let me give you an example and take it to its logical conclusion. Gove wants teachers to be paid based on results. Here's how things used to work, and how they will work.
2003 (my generation):
1. Teachers teach children
2. Children know that if they don't work, they will fail
3. Most children try hard
4. Most children pass because of what they learned
2013:
1. Teachers teach children
2. Children know that teachers will get a pay cut if they dont' do well
3. Children know teachers will make sure they pass
4. Children can't be bothered
5. Teachers do their coursework for them
6. Children learn less than they used to
7. More children pass, despite knowing less
I don't think Mr Gove will consider resigning because his much needed reforms upset another Union, scared of change and upsetting the comfortable, easy gravy train.
In modern politics Gove is pure gold and if he wasn't driving improvements and therefore not pleasing the self-interested Unions, he would be failing the nations children.
Obviously teachers need to be left to their own means, do what they want, when they want and then retire before everyone else because they work harder than everyone else.
Haven't the teaching unions always passed a No Confidence vote in every education secretary ever? It's just their little tradition. It's about all they can do as they are unable to set extra home work or impose a detention.
oh my word, just watched news at it's uncomfortable viewing watching Michael Gove, say I think we will have to part ways, whatever that means, hopefully means Gove is going to resign, unless he means he's sacking every headteacher who's part of the union
What was wrong with what he said?
The woman was basically saying govt and Ofcom are demanding too high a standard as if striving to provide kids the best education possible is a bad thing.
Gove faced the expected barrage of cynicism, negative comments and criticism you'd expect from a union conference crowd, but apparently not a single constructive counter argument.
ianmatt, he is annoying the unions because he's makiing things WORSE not because he's making them better.
Let me give you an example and take it to its logical conclusion. Gove wants teachers to be paid based on results. Here's how things used to work, and how they will work.
2003 (my generation):
1. Teachers teach children
2. Children know that if they don't work, they will fail
3. Most children try hard
4. Most children pass because of what they learned
2013:
1. Teachers teach children
2. Children know that teachers will get a pay cut if they dont' do well
3. Children know teachers will make sure they pass
4. Children can't be bothered
5. Teachers do their coursework for them
6. Children learn less than they used to
7. More children pass, despite knowing less
If a teacher was found to be doing a pupil's coursework - shouldn't that count as gross misconduct?
Everyone else is paid on results so why not teachers?
Sounds like a great idea to me.
Some of my teachers were great and some weren't worth getting out of bed for
Bad teachers should be rooted out of the system before they do damage to our kids.
Because... it's not always the teacher's fault? Let me give you examples from my classes. I have worked my arse off with their coursework, but I have the following:
2 students were on drugs the whole time
1 student only needs 2 Es for college and has decided everything else is too much effort
1 student isn't there most of the time
1 student only needs 5 Es for college, but his target is an A
1 student is so aggressive that he's always thrown out
3 students are lazy and never turn up to detention or complete their work in class
2 students are trying really really hard but because of the higher expectations from ofsted now, they can't reach their target grades no matter how hard they try
3 students need 5 A*-C grades and because of early entry, they already have them and therefore see the rest of their exams as pointless and unnecessary.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I am responsible for none of those things but I will be judged on them.
If a teacher was found to be doing a pupil's coursework - shouldn't that count as gross misconduct?
Yes. But every teacher will be committing gross misconduct because nobody wants to take a pay cut because their students are lazy, entitled, and know that their teachers have more at stake than they do. You can say it's wrong all you want, and I completely agree with you, but it is the inevitable result. It is what will happen over the next few years. Students will learn less and less because teachers will be compelled to do more and more for them. The blame lies solely at Michael Gove's feet.
All I know is this... My daughter goes to a really good school, they get good results, no real behavioural / bullying problems, the parents are nice, all the events are well supported etc etc
The head is retiring this year, and they are unable to fill her post, despite having advertised 3 times - in fact, across the area I live, they can't appoint any heads. Gove has made people too afraid, as you are only 1 bad set of SATS results away from being sacked. Deputies are staying as deputies, heads are leaving, and there is no-one to take over.
What I saw of Gove's performance during the Q & A session at the NAHT conference he somehow managed to merge arrogance, the likeness of a baby owl whose parents had deserted it, utterly inconsequential replies and embarrassing silences in one fell swoop.
Obviously teachers need to be left to their own means, do what they want, when they want and then retire before everyone else because they work harder than everyone else.
I know quite a few teachers, those that have always been in education (school, college, university then into teaching), generally have a mindset like you describe, but those that have gone into teaching after having a career in the outside world, a lot less so.
I know quite a few teachers, those that have always been in education (school, college, university then into teaching), generally have a mindset like you describe, but those that have gone into teaching after having a career in the outside world, a lot less so.
Why? Do doctors who have had another career in the "outside world" before taking up medicine become better doctors?
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Says who?
I was educated in the 50's and 60's and I haven't been financially successful.
The policy of minimising in-house coursework in favour of one big exam at the end of two years. If that doesn't encourage learning purely to pass exams then I'm Bo Derek.
Seriously?
Are you aware of what actually goes on in schools?
I'm gobsmacked at the general ignorance of the teaching profession.
Anyone making these kinds of statements should volunteer for a few hours a week in schools and you will soon change your tiny little minds....clowns and idiots the lot of you!
Not the only one - but certainly the main one.
I was referring to the whole baby boomer generation which has in general a much higher level of wealth than following generations.
Really I thought that generation over borrowed, and they caused the financial mess, with inflated house prices.
So say the Tory Ukip and daily hail readers on here but now you're saying education points to them being a success, will remember that one, mungo
It's how it was in the old days with O-Levels. It involved "rote" learning of principles then application by bringing together many ideas in a final exam. Not like the modularised crap we have now.
Why is that better?
Because when trying to solve problems we have to combine various methods learnt. Not just rely on something covered in the last 13 weeks (or whatever it is)
I don't think Mr Gove will consider resigning because his much needed reforms upset another Union, scared of change and upsetting the comfortable, easy gravy train.
In modern politics Gove is pure gold and if he wasn't driving improvements and therefore not pleasing the self-interested Unions, he would be failing the nations children.
Let me give you an example and take it to its logical conclusion. Gove wants teachers to be paid based on results. Here's how things used to work, and how they will work.
2003 (my generation):
1. Teachers teach children
2. Children know that if they don't work, they will fail
3. Most children try hard
4. Most children pass because of what they learned
2013:
1. Teachers teach children
2. Children know that teachers will get a pay cut if they dont' do well
3. Children know teachers will make sure they pass
4. Children can't be bothered
5. Teachers do their coursework for them
6. Children learn less than they used to
7. More children pass, despite knowing less
Obviously teachers need to be left to their own means, do what they want, when they want and then retire before everyone else because they work harder than everyone else.
Everyone else is paid on results so why not teachers?
Sounds like a great idea to me.
Some of my teachers were great and some weren't worth getting out of bed for
Bad teachers should be rooted out of the system before they do damage to our kids.
Totally!
I admire Gove he has the courage of his convictions.
Nope.. you're completely wrong as tribally usual.
Yes and they're quitting hand over fist. Still, plenty good teachers really happy with Gove and ripe to take over eh?
What was wrong with what he said?
The woman was basically saying govt and Ofcom are demanding too high a standard as if striving to provide kids the best education possible is a bad thing.
Gove faced the expected barrage of cynicism, negative comments and criticism you'd expect from a union conference crowd, but apparently not a single constructive counter argument.
That says it all IMO.
If a teacher was found to be doing a pupil's coursework - shouldn't that count as gross misconduct?
Because... it's not always the teacher's fault? Let me give you examples from my classes. I have worked my arse off with their coursework, but I have the following:
2 students were on drugs the whole time
1 student only needs 2 Es for college and has decided everything else is too much effort
1 student isn't there most of the time
1 student only needs 5 Es for college, but his target is an A
1 student is so aggressive that he's always thrown out
3 students are lazy and never turn up to detention or complete their work in class
2 students are trying really really hard but because of the higher expectations from ofsted now, they can't reach their target grades no matter how hard they try
3 students need 5 A*-C grades and because of early entry, they already have them and therefore see the rest of their exams as pointless and unnecessary.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I am responsible for none of those things but I will be judged on them.
Yes. But every teacher will be committing gross misconduct because nobody wants to take a pay cut because their students are lazy, entitled, and know that their teachers have more at stake than they do. You can say it's wrong all you want, and I completely agree with you, but it is the inevitable result. It is what will happen over the next few years. Students will learn less and less because teachers will be compelled to do more and more for them. The blame lies solely at Michael Gove's feet.
The head is retiring this year, and they are unable to fill her post, despite having advertised 3 times - in fact, across the area I live, they can't appoint any heads. Gove has made people too afraid, as you are only 1 bad set of SATS results away from being sacked. Deputies are staying as deputies, heads are leaving, and there is no-one to take over.
He seems to be completely out of his depth.
I know quite a few teachers, those that have always been in education (school, college, university then into teaching), generally have a mindset like you describe, but those that have gone into teaching after having a career in the outside world, a lot less so.
Why? Do doctors who have had another career in the "outside world" before taking up medicine become better doctors?
Soldiers?
What about all other professions/jobs?
What constitutes the "outside world"?