Yes, there is a lag. Current E-ink technology makes that so. No, you don't have to charge a tablet "every few hours." An iPad mini, for example goes well over 12 hours.
LCD/OLED displays on tablets using either iBooks, Kindle or Nook apps are faster for single page turns and dramatically faster for flipping through pages, with the fastest being iBook's scroll mode. This is easy for anyone to see for themselves in an electronics store.
What I like about small tablets as E-readers is that you are not limited to stores you can buy books from, as you are with a dedicated E-ink reader, plus you can flip through books much quicker, you can take adavatnge of color books and they serve other purposes. Those are not opinions, those are facts.
If none of that matters to you then E-ink readers are excellent choices.
Some ebook readers are quite open. For example the ones that read ePub books, you can buy books from virtually anywhere but amazon. I don't have one of these I actually have a kindle. I like to keep my books organised. The idea of having books scattered about in lots of different apps on my ipad doesn't sit well with me. On my ipad I have the kindle app, which I also have on my iPod touch, my samsung galaxy tab and Galaxy note, my laptop and chromebook. In that way all my books are available to me on any of my devices and I like that set up.
Some ebook readers are quite open. For example the ones that read ePub books, you can buy books from virtually anywhere but amazon. I don't have one of these I actually have a kindle. I like to keep my books organised.
Amazon is a major online store so being locked out of the option of buying from them is obviously not a benefit.
The idea of having books scattered about in lots of different apps on my ipad doesn't sit well with me. On my ipad I have the kindle app, which I also have on my iPod touch, my samsung galaxy tab and Galaxy note, my laptop and chromebook. In that way all my books are available to me on any of my devices and I like that set up.
I use iBooks, Nook and Kindle on my iPad, the three biggest online book stores. That's far from "lots of different apps." I can buy books that may not be available in one book store or is cheaper in another. It's simple to manage and the apps are similar.
Yes, there is a lag. Current E-ink technology makes that so. No, you don't have to charge a tablet "every few hours." An iPad mini, for example goes well over 12 hours.
LCD/OLED displays on tablets using either iBooks, Kindle or Nook apps are faster for single page turns and dramatically faster for flipping through pages, with the fastest being iBook's scroll mode. This is easy for anyone to see for themselves in an electronics store.
What I like about small tablets as E-readers is that you are not limited to stores you can buy books from, as you are with a dedicated E-ink reader, plus you can flip through books much quicker, you can take adavatnge of color books and they serve other purposes. Those are not opinions, those are facts.
If none of that matters to you then E-ink readers are excellent choices.
Most of my books don't come from Amazon, Kindle via Calibre does well. I did try the Fire but prefer the kindle so moved the Fire on. I tend to read books and not flip through them to the next picture or cartoon hence I've noticed no lag.
Your posts and love of pomme do remind me so much (in writing style) of an old DS member for some reason;)
Some ebook readers are quite open. For example the ones that read ePub books, you can buy books from virtually anywhere but amazon..
I can read amazon books on the Kobo, just download to Kindle for pc and rip the drm, convert to epub and then read on any ereader. The whole process takes less than minute and since I always rip the drm from my books its not really any extra hassle.
I can read amazon books on the Kobo, just download to Kindle for pc and rip the drm, convert to epub and then read on any ereader. The whole process takes less than minute and since I always rip the drm from my books its not really any extra hassle.
I think it is safe to say that most readers are not going to do that.
The point is with a tablet you have dramatically more access to more books.
So if you flip through books all you are concerned about is pictures and cartoons?
Single page turns are also quicker, as I said, due to the inherent refresh lag of E-ink screens.
I don't know what you mean by "pomme" but, considering the previous remark, I'm betting you are not giving me a compliment.
Keep in mind we are talking about inanimate electronic objects. No one should take simple discussions like this personally and defensively.
At any one time I have around 200 books on my Kindle and could store hundreds more but there is no real need unless you are obsessive about having all your toys with you.
'Pomme' refers to Apple and your love of them (ipads etc not the fruit)
Pages turn just fine on my Kindle, phone, tablet and Surface Pro but not noticeably quicker than the Kindle.
You really are sounding, post by post, like an ex member from DS lol
I can read amazon books on the Kobo, just download to Kindle for pc and rip the drm, convert to epub and then read on any ereader. The whole process takes less than minute and since I always rip the drm from my books its not really any extra hassle.
I know I was just talking about what can be done legitimately. I've read kobo/ePub books on my kindle and kindle books on the kobo glo (when I had it).
I don't do research for others. Those who are truly interested will look it up themselves. Those that make your kind of protest are either not truly interested or have already made up their minds.
In other words you write whatever you feel will get the most reaction from people here. Then when people ask for evidence from you that doesn't exist you tell them to do the research for themselves.:p
I can read amazon books on the Kobo, just download to Kindle for pc and rip the drm, convert to epub and then read on any ereader. The whole process takes less than minute and since I always rip the drm from my books its not really any extra hassle.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people do that. Not exactly very difficult is it?:D
In other words you write whatever you feel will get the most reaction from people here. Then when people ask for evidence from you that doesn't exist you tell them to do the research for themselves.:p
And then when challenged, you get some sort of dismissive reply criticising the challenge.
At any one time I have around 200 books on my Kindle and could store hundreds more but there is no real need unless you are obsessive about having all your toys with you.l
'Pomme' refers to Apple and your love of them (ipads etc not the fruit)l
News to me as to what that meant. As for what you think I "love," I certainly do not love a "company" and automatically all the products they make. I have been mentioning LCD and OLED displays which the later type does not include Apple's products. The ability to use reader tablet apps applies to both iOS and Android. I have also not been specifically promoting Apple's products in this thread. Some of you people really need to settle down with your trigger finger anti-Apple response.
Pages turn just fine on my Kindle, phone, tablet and Surface Pro but not noticeably quicker than the Kindle.l
I never said they didn't "turn just fine," I said they turn slower than on tablets because of the way E-ink displays work. Tablets are "noticeably" quicker than an E-ink reader. One can easily see that in a store.
In other words you write whatever you feel will get the most reaction from people here. Then when people ask for evidence from you that doesn't exist you tell them to do the research for themselves.:p
No, I simply share my opinion on things, as you do. I don't expect you to provide research for me either. It isn't reasonable to expect people to be providing proof to you every time they share their opinion on something. You don't have to agree with me or believe me.
And then when challenged, you get some sort of dismissive reply criticising the challenge.
No, when "challenged" I simply challenge back. That's what people do when they have opposing views. As I said to the other poster, you don't have to agree with me or believe me. At the very least respect that I am sharing my opinion as I respect the sharing of your opinion. These kinds of posts are about criticizing the poster, not his or her opinion. That has nothing to do with the discussion or the topic. Lets try and stay on topic please.
News to me as to what that meant. As for what you think I "love," I certainly do not love a "company" and automatically all the products they make. I have been mentioning LCD and OLED displays which the later type does not include Apple's products. The ability to use reader tablet apps applies to both iOS and Android. I have also not been specifically promoting Apple's products in this thread. Some of you people really need to settle down with your trigger finger anti-Apple response.
I never said they didn't "turn just fine," I said they turn slower than on tablets because of the way E-ink displays work. Tablets are "noticeably" quicker than an E-ink reader. One can easily see that in a store.
What relevance does you thinking I sound like someone have to do with the topic? Lets try and stay on topic.
So what are you trying to prove that you can flick a page faster? tablets are very poor in terms of battery life as a basic premise a dedicated reader will provide more satisfaction.
Your post sound so similar, the 'construction', content, bias etc it struck me the first of your posts I read, hey ho what do I know:D
No, when "challenged" I simply challenge back. That's what people do when they have opposing views. As I said to the other poster, you don't have to agree with me or believe me. At the very least respect that I am sharing my opinion as I respect the sharing of your opinion. These kinds of posts are about criticizing the poster, not his or her opinion. That has nothing to do with the discussion or the topic. Lets try and stay on topic please.
Yes but when people normally have a discussion on here and they present opposing views, they normally provide evidence to back their claims up. It's all part of discussion.
No, when "challenged" I simply challenge back. That's what people do when they have opposing views. As I said to the other poster, you don't have to agree with me or believe me. At the very least respect that I am sharing my opinion as I respect the sharing of your opinion. These kinds of posts are about criticizing the poster, not his or her opinion. That has nothing to do with the discussion or the topic. Lets try and stay on topic please.
When you say something is a fact then you should show why it's a fact. You weren't simply stating what you thought or how you felt but saying it was a fact so you were being asked to back that fact up.
No, when "challenged" I simply challenge back. That's what people do when they have opposing views. As I said to the other poster, you don't have to agree with me or believe me. At the very least respect that I am sharing my opinion as I respect the sharing of your opinion. These kinds of posts are about criticizing the poster, not his or her opinion. That has nothing to do with the discussion or the topic. Lets try and stay on topic please.
So you want to pay over the top on a device that is not much good for reading, well then do so. also think of all those greasy marks from your fingers on the screen. I will stick to my kobo.
So you want to pay over the top on a device that is not much good for reading, well then do so. also think of all those greasy marks from your fingers on the screen. I will stick to my kobo.
To be fair there is plenty of other uses for an iPad than just reading books.
To be fair there is plenty of other uses for an iPad than just reading books.
I never said there was not. i said paying over the top for a device that is not good for reading books and it is not, the screen is horrid to look at for any length of time, it is heavy to hold for a long time and the battery life is awful.
If I wanted a device to do more then read books then I would buy a device to allow me to do it. If the market was not there for E-ink readers then they would not be on sale.
I never said there was not. i said paying over the top for a device that is not good for reading books and it is not, the screen is horrid to look at for any length of time, it is heavy to hold for a long time and the battery life is awful.
If I wanted a device to do more then read books then I would buy a device to allow me to do it. If the market was not there for E-ink readers then they would not be on sale.
That's assuming someone is going to buy an iPad for just reading books - and I don't think PPhilster was saying that's what someone would do. He's just saying that he thinks that an LCD screen on the iPAd is fine for reading for long peiods - which i disagree about.
I'm not sure if you have used one of the latest iPads but the battery life is not awful on it, quite the opposite, it's very good as is the screen for anythig else. Unless you are comparing the battery life to an eInk reader?
tablets are very poor in terms of battery life as a basic premise a dedicated reader will provide more satisfaction.
No, they are not "very poor in terms of battery life," they are simply not as good as an E-ink reader. The previous example I gave is for the iPad mini running over 12 hours. Most better small tablets are in the vicinity of 10 hours.
Your post sound so similar, the 'construction', content, bias etc it struck me the first of your posts I read, hey ho what do I know:D
The third time now and still as irrelevant as the first time.
There is also no bias in my comments. You are projecting the reverse of your own biases onto me considering your anti-Apple remarks. E-ink readers are good for those who read in mostly bright light conditions and will be away from an outlet for more than a day. They can also take a beating and are relatively disposable.
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Amazon is a major online store so being locked out of the option of buying from them is obviously not a benefit.
I use iBooks, Nook and Kindle on my iPad, the three biggest online book stores. That's far from "lots of different apps." I can buy books that may not be available in one book store or is cheaper in another. It's simple to manage and the apps are similar.
Most of my books don't come from Amazon, Kindle via Calibre does well. I did try the Fire but prefer the kindle so moved the Fire on. I tend to read books and not flip through them to the next picture or cartoon hence I've noticed no lag.
Your posts and love of pomme do remind me so much (in writing style) of an old DS member for some reason;)
I can read amazon books on the Kobo, just download to Kindle for pc and rip the drm, convert to epub and then read on any ereader. The whole process takes less than minute and since I always rip the drm from my books its not really any extra hassle.
The point is with a tablet you have dramatically more access to more books.
So if you flip through books all you are concerned about is pictures and cartoons?
Single page turns are also quicker, as I said, due to the inherent refresh lag of E-ink screens.
I don't know what you mean by "pomme" but, considering the previous remark, I'm betting you are not giving me a compliment.
Keep in mind we are talking about inanimate electronic objects. No one should take simple discussions like this personally and defensively.
I think it is safe to say that most readers are not going to do that.
At any one time I have around 200 books on my Kindle and could store hundreds more but there is no real need unless you are obsessive about having all your toys with you.
'Pomme' refers to Apple and your love of them (ipads etc not the fruit)
Pages turn just fine on my Kindle, phone, tablet and Surface Pro but not noticeably quicker than the Kindle.
You really are sounding, post by post, like an ex member from DS lol
I know I was just talking about what can be done legitimately. I've read kobo/ePub books on my kindle and kindle books on the kobo glo (when I had it).
So you have gone from saying it can't be done to saying people won't do it.
Interesting link although a poor sample size in their testing - would be interesting to see a larger sample done.
Although, for myself, it does not change a think as I still prefer reading on an eInk screen rather than an LCD.
In other words you write whatever you feel will get the most reaction from people here. Then when people ask for evidence from you that doesn't exist you tell them to do the research for themselves.:p
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people do that. Not exactly very difficult is it?:D
And then when challenged, you get some sort of dismissive reply criticising the challenge.
I never addressed storage quantity of books.
News to me as to what that meant. As for what you think I "love," I certainly do not love a "company" and automatically all the products they make. I have been mentioning LCD and OLED displays which the later type does not include Apple's products. The ability to use reader tablet apps applies to both iOS and Android. I have also not been specifically promoting Apple's products in this thread. Some of you people really need to settle down with your trigger finger anti-Apple response.
I never said they didn't "turn just fine," I said they turn slower than on tablets because of the way E-ink displays work. Tablets are "noticeably" quicker than an E-ink reader. One can easily see that in a store.
What relevance does you thinking I sound like someone have to do with the topic? Lets try and stay on topic.
No, I simply share my opinion on things, as you do. I don't expect you to provide research for me either. It isn't reasonable to expect people to be providing proof to you every time they share their opinion on something. You don't have to agree with me or believe me.
No, when "challenged" I simply challenge back. That's what people do when they have opposing views. As I said to the other poster, you don't have to agree with me or believe me. At the very least respect that I am sharing my opinion as I respect the sharing of your opinion. These kinds of posts are about criticizing the poster, not his or her opinion. That has nothing to do with the discussion or the topic. Lets try and stay on topic please.
So what are you trying to prove that you can flick a page faster? tablets are very poor in terms of battery life as a basic premise a dedicated reader will provide more satisfaction.
Your post sound so similar, the 'construction', content, bias etc it struck me the first of your posts I read, hey ho what do I know:D
Yes but when people normally have a discussion on here and they present opposing views, they normally provide evidence to back their claims up. It's all part of discussion.
When you say something is a fact then you should show why it's a fact. You weren't simply stating what you thought or how you felt but saying it was a fact so you were being asked to back that fact up.
So you want to pay over the top on a device that is not much good for reading, well then do so. also think of all those greasy marks from your fingers on the screen. I will stick to my kobo.
To be fair there is plenty of other uses for an iPad than just reading books.
I never said there was not. i said paying over the top for a device that is not good for reading books and it is not, the screen is horrid to look at for any length of time, it is heavy to hold for a long time and the battery life is awful.
If I wanted a device to do more then read books then I would buy a device to allow me to do it. If the market was not there for E-ink readers then they would not be on sale.
That's assuming someone is going to buy an iPad for just reading books - and I don't think PPhilster was saying that's what someone would do. He's just saying that he thinks that an LCD screen on the iPAd is fine for reading for long peiods - which i disagree about.
I'm not sure if you have used one of the latest iPads but the battery life is not awful on it, quite the opposite, it's very good as is the screen for anythig else. Unless you are comparing the battery life to an eInk reader?
Not trying to, it's a fact. Anyone can see and compare in any electronics store.
No, they are not "very poor in terms of battery life," they are simply not as good as an E-ink reader. The previous example I gave is for the iPad mini running over 12 hours. Most better small tablets are in the vicinity of 10 hours.
The third time now and still as irrelevant as the first time.
There is also no bias in my comments. You are projecting the reverse of your own biases onto me considering your anti-Apple remarks. E-ink readers are good for those who read in mostly bright light conditions and will be away from an outlet for more than a day. They can also take a beating and are relatively disposable.