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stairwaystairway Posts: 1,500
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I see the Queen is getting a 5% rise in pay... So much for "We're all in this together "
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,668
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    stairway wrote: »
    I see the Queen is getting a 5% rise in pay... So much for "We're all in this together "

    Since the rise is coming from profits from the Crown Estate, it is coming at no cost to the taxpayer. Anyway, since the rest of the profits go to the Treasury then the taxpayer is benefiting too.
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    What does sho do to earn the money from the Crown Estates? She and her family are just leeches on society (apart from a couple of them in the army, but they seem to have a lot more holidays than anyone else in the army I've heard about)
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,668
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    What does she do to earn the money from the Crown Estates?

    She's Queen. That's what she does.
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    stairway wrote: »
    I see the Queen is getting a 5% rise in pay... So much for "We're all in this together "

    Surely that should be "One's all in this together"?
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    LostFool wrote: »
    She's Queen. That's what she does.

    I didn't vote for her
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Biggest thieving scroungers out there.

    History shows that.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1
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    i don't understand what actually warrants the amount of money the Royals receive. Absolute greed. If the people that sort the finances cannot make do with over £35million a year budget, then I suggest they take a short term investment in a finance course and learn!
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    QofShebaQofSheba Posts: 43,330
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    LostFool wrote: »
    Since the rise is coming from profits from the Crown Estate, it is coming at no cost to the taxpayer. Anyway, since the rest of the profits go to the Treasury then the taxpayer is benefiting too.

    The Queen successfully claims in excess of £5 million a year in set aside grants on the Crown Estates. This money comes from the EU into which the UK taxpayer and taxpayer's across the EU pay substantially to.

    Hence we are not all in it together, as others with vacant rooms have to pay a tax, but substantial landowners are subsidised to do nothing with their landholding assets. Set aside does not mean they are obliged to spend the set aside grants on encouraging biological diversity or otherwise improving the natural habitat.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,668
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    i don't understand what actually warrants the amount of money the Royals receive. Absolute greed. If the people that sort the finances cannot make do with over £35million a year budget, then I suggest they take a short term investment in a finance course and learn!

    This is what the money is spent on
    http://www.royal.gov.uk/pdf/Financial%20reports%202012-13/Sovereign%20Grant%202012-13%20-%20web.pdf

    Property maintenance, staff, travel, official events... it all adds up. Even if you had an elected Head of State then those things still need paying for. The US Presidency costs $1.4bn a year: http://now.msn.com/president-obamas-family-costs-the-us-20-times-what-royal-family-costs-the-uk
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    thomas painthomas pain Posts: 2,318
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    despicable .
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,363
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    Not sure if mnay get this Crown Estate business.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate


    In the United Kingdom, the Crown Estate is a property portfolio owned by the Crown. Although still belonging to the monarch and inherent with the accession of the throne, like the Crown Jewels it is no longer the private property of the reigning monarch and cannot be sold by him or her, nor do the revenues from it belong to the monarch personally. Each monarch since the accession of George III in 1760 surrendered to the HM Treasury the revenues of the Crown Estate, in return for an annual grant known as the Civil List. However, from 1 April 2012, under terms of the Sovereign Grant Act 2011, the Civil List was abolished, and in future the monarch will receive from the Treasury a stipulated percentage of the Crown Estate's annual net revenues (currently set at 15%).

    And the nation pockets the rest.

    As for what she does with the money. about £10m covers staff cost in the Palaces, the rest covers transport for engagements, building maintenance (does HM use B&Q?). Then she may have some herself, but the majority of what she 'lives' on is from investment funds.

    She is a frugal lady.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,363
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    QofSheba wrote: »
    The Queen successfully claims in excess of £5 million a year in set aside grants on the Crown Estates. This money comes from the EU into which the UK taxpayer and taxpayer's across the EU pay substantially to.

    Hence we are not all in it together, as others with vacant rooms have to pay a tax, but substantial landowners are subsidised to do nothing with their landholding assets. Set aside does not mean they are obliged to spend the set aside grants on encouraging biological diversity or otherwise improving the natural habitat.

    what the heck is the EU got to do with it?

    Anyone ever heard of Regent Street in London? Guess who owns the building all those shops are in?
    http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/urban/regent-street/

    So if you anti royals want to hit her hard don't shop along Regent Street!


    Tens of Thousands of people work on land owned by Crown Estates. So again want to hurt the Queen avoid all those businesses maybe?
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    Glyn WGlyn W Posts: 5,819
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    LostFool wrote: »
    Since the rise is coming from profits from the Crown Estate, it is coming at no cost to the taxpayer. Anyway, since the rest of the profits go to the Treasury then the taxpayer is benefiting too.

    If the monarchy didn't exist, the Crown Estates would revert to the state, and the nation would get ALL of the profits. Wouldn't that be better for the taxpayer?

    So don't give us the 'at no cost to the taxpayer' line, it's been rumbled.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,668
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    QofSheba wrote: »
    The Queen successfully claims in excess of £5 million a year in set aside grants on the Crown Estates. This money comes from the EU into which the UK taxpayer and taxpayer's across the EU pay substantially to

    The Crown Estates own 144,000 ha of agricultural and forestry land (source: Wikipedia). They are just as entitled to get EU grants as much as any other landowner.
    Glyn W wrote: »
    If the monarchy didn't exist, the Crown Estates would revert to the state, and the nation would get ALL of the profits. Wouldn't that be better for the taxpayer

    It depends on what you propose replacing the monarchy with and whether it would be any cheaper.
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    woot_whoowoot_whoo Posts: 18,030
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    LostFool wrote: »
    This is what the money is spent on
    http://www.royal.gov.uk/pdf/Financial%20reports%202012-13/Sovereign%20Grant%202012-13%20-%20web.pdf

    Property maintenance, staff, travel, official events... it all adds up. Even if you had an elected Head of State then those things still need paying for. The US Presidency costs $1.4bn a year: http://now.msn.com/president-obamas-family-costs-the-us-20-times-what-royal-family-costs-the-uk

    Our monarchy is the most expensive in Europe. The Presidencies of Ireland and Germany (not to mention the other European royal houses) cost their countries far less.
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,728
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    This isn't the Queen's personal money, it covers staff wages, maintenance of all the Royal buildings which belong to the nation, and all other overheads. It is aprox 50 pence per head of the population per annum. I don't begrudge it but I do begrudge a penny of my money going on overseas aid.
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    A4papertoosmallA4papertoosmall Posts: 500
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    LostFool wrote: »
    This is what the money is spent on
    http://www.royal.gov.uk/pdf/Financial%20reports%202012-13/Sovereign%20Grant%202012-13%20-%20web.pdf

    Property maintenance, staff, travel, official events... it all adds up. Even if you had an elected Head of State then those things still need paying for. The US Presidency costs $1.4bn a year: http://now.msn.com/president-obamas-family-costs-the-us-20-times-what-royal-family-costs-the-uk
    Just done a quick calulation and it looks like the office of the Presidency costs US citizens £2.97. The British Monarch costs £2.93

    The Office of the Presidency is elected and not inherited. It is political and not aristocratic and pompus. The office of the Presidency is not for just ceremonial purposes, it carries weight over and above being chauffered about whilst wearing a crown for the member of an extremely if not the most extremely priveleged family alive on the planet today.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,363
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    Glyn W wrote: »
    If the monarchy didn't exist, the Crown Estates would revert to the state, and the nation would get ALL of the profits. Wouldn't that be better for the taxpayer?

    So don't give us the 'at no cost to the taxpayer' line, it's been rumbled.

    Why would Crown Estate/Property go to the State?
    Anyway knowing the State they would sell it to chums of whichever party was in power at below market prices.
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    woot_whoowoot_whoo Posts: 18,030
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    what the heck is the EU got to do with it?

    Anyone ever heard of Regent Street in London? Guess who owns the building all those shops are in?
    http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/urban/regent-street/

    So if you anti royals want to hit her hard don't shop along Regent Street!


    Tens of Thousands of people work on land owned by Crown Estates. So again want to hurt the Queen avoid all those businesses maybe?

    I don't think you understand the concept of a corporation sole. The Crown Estates belong to the Crown, not the Windsors. If the Windsors were no longer the royal family (either because a new royal family was parachuted in, as has happened before, or because we became a republic) then the Crown (i.e. the state) would still use the revenue to fund the running of the country. There's a reason Edward VIII didn't waltz off with the Crown Estates as personal property when he gave up the throne.
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    A4papertoosmallA4papertoosmall Posts: 500
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    valkay wrote: »
    This isn't the Queen's personal money, it covers staff wages, maintenance of all the Royal buildings which belong to the nation, and all other overheads. It is aprox 50 pence per head of the population per annum. I don't begrudge it but I do begrudge a penny of my money going on overseas aid.

    Dissolve the monarchy, you dissolve the commonwealth and with it probably a signficant amount of overseas aid.
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    woot_whoowoot_whoo Posts: 18,030
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    Why would Crown Estate/Property go to the State?
    Anyway knowing the State they would sell it to chums of whichever party was in power at below market prices.

    Nonsense - that's just more politician-bashing. A decent constitution would prevent that from happening.
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    Glyn WGlyn W Posts: 5,819
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    Just done a quick calulation and it looks like the office of the Presidency costs US citizens £2.97. The British Monarch costs £2.93

    The Office of the Presidency is elected and not inherited. It is political and not aristocratic and pompus. The office of the Presidency is not for just ceremonial purposes, it carries weight over and above being chauffered about whilst wearing a crown for the member of an extremely if not the most extremely priveleged family alive on the planet today.

    Plus, just because we wouldn't have a monarch it doesn't mean we'd have to have a President. We don't, we don't need one at all. So the argument is false logic.
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    woot_whoowoot_whoo Posts: 18,030
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    valkay wrote: »
    This isn't the Queen's personal money, it covers staff wages, maintenance of all the Royal buildings which belong to the nation, and all other overheads. It is aprox 50 pence per head of the population per annum. I don't begrudge it but I do begrudge a penny of my money going on overseas aid.

    I wonder how many people defending this were carping in the thread about MPs getting £15 dinners.
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    bluesdiamondbluesdiamond Posts: 11,363
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    woot_whoo wrote: »
    Nonsense - that's just more politician-bashing. A decent constitution would prevent that from happening.

    oh so I may be politician bashing, but you feel the need for a safety net...like your style.
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    James1953James1953 Posts: 4,840
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    If we didn't have the Queen , we may get President Blair

    Enough to make me want to keep her
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