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Eleven's Last Story - What Antagonist Do You Want?
Shawn_Lunn
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Well, which one guys?
Antagonist for Eleven's last story? 53 votes
The Master (Simm)
45%
24 votes
Daleks (with/without Davros)
54%
29 votes
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On the other hand, the Master was heavily involved in Ten's last story, so it could seem a bit repetitive if he was also heavily involved in Eleven's last story.
On the third hand, Eleven has faced off against quite a few other enemies that played a large role in his plot/character arc(s). Perhaps one of these would be a more suitable opponent (e.g. the Silence).
Or maybe it's John Hurt's Doctor that causes Eleven to regenerate. We'll just have to wait and see.
Given the options in this poll though, I'd have to pick the Daleks, as two regenerations in a row in episodes involving the Master would be repetitive IMO.
or/and
the Silence
To answer the question, I'd like the Silence....preferably with Kovarian there in some capacity but if not, oh well. The Silence are a must.
If it is down to a choice between those in the poll, then I'd prefer:-
(a) The Master over the Daleks with Davros
(b) The Daleks without Davros over the Master.
I would like a Davros return sometime soon though, it's been five years.
I don't care as long as it isn't defeated by love, remembering or somebody being a mother.
I'm secretly hoping it's all three of those just to be a big annoyment to quite a few people. Personally, I see no problem with any of those kinds of resolutions....it's far better than pressing some buttons any day....
I think they all have their different merits if not overused but it does always seem to me that Journeys End gets a free pass in general despite its ludicrous ending whereas S3 in particular and S5 i have heard criticised quite often. I like them all but S4s defeat of the Daleks is by far the weakest 'will this do?' resolution and yet I haven't heard it slated.
It is odd how Journey's End does seem to escape that criticism....the simple point of why would the Daleks have a button controlled device in the first place still makes little sense to me. Obviously, if it was for Davros, how come we never saw him use it before? It things like this that really irk me, buttons saving the day...
The love ending in Closing Time never did irk me at all. I don't even class it as love defeating the Cybermen...it was Craig's humanity over-riding what it is to be a Cyberman....love is part of being human and that humanity beat the Cybermen....
As you say, all these love and remembering kind of endings are fine so long as they're not overused - something I don't think are being overdone. I'm fine with them every now and then...it's produced some variety in endings at least in the last few years...
I don't actually mind such resolutions either, but we've had quite a few of the recently so I'd like something else for a change.
No, don't do that...just...don't. It makes me cry. And occasionally feel sick.
I don't mind the odd button. I didn't like the button in Journey to the centre of the Tardis, though. That was very poor, I thought.
Fair enough....it's not particularly a favourite ending of mine at all either...it's ok, it was never great but I don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be.
If it crossed the line for you fair enough, Journey's End did that for me....all that build-up to be solved by some buttons....I don't think I've been as angry at an ending in NuWho as that....I really hated it....
I see your point. I don't like Closing Times ending but it isn't as illogical and nonsensical and could have been quite effective if done better. Certainly the theme of someone trying to defeat evil and retain their humanity to do so can be powerful and has been seen across the show with echoes of it in 'Asylum of the Daleks' with its 'I. Am. Huuuuman' ending. That worked alot better for me as it wasn't so cheesy and possibly as it didn't involve James Corden.
I wonder if 'Journeys End' gets away with it more than other episodes due to its epic nature and so much going on. You can almost forgive it that ending as there is alot of other stuff to like and the ending after the ending is brilliantly acted by Tate and Tennant. But I agree with you. Worst resolution to a brilliant set up i can think of. It was genuinely epic up until that point and then WTF. Death by touch typing. No. No. No.
Six was caused by the Rani, Seven by the Master, Nine by the Daleks, and Ten by the Master (again).
Whatever foe Eleven fights in the Christmas special, it should be something that hasn't been fought by any Doctor beforehand. I'd actually prefer it if all future regeneration stories features something new as the main villain, I really don't want to get to a point where we just cycle through Daleks, Cybermen and the Master.
It dosen't get away with it with me; The Series 4 finale is my absolute worst story in the entire series, and the button-pressing ending is only part of the problem.
Really, Donna was the only purely good thing about it in my opinion. Everything else was either just bad or could have been good but something bad was tacked on.
Failing that, I'm sure The Kandyman could've been reassembled somehow? 'Return to The Kandy Kitchen'.
Just picked up my DWM which has got a lovely tribute to Matt in Moffat's column. Gawd, like the Doctor, I hate endings...but new beginnings are cool.