I didn't mean intrusively monitor. What parent should sit in a room in front their daughter, whilst they are looking at shopping sites? Or ask their son to hand his laptop before he goes to sleep?
There are other ways to keep tabs. Namely spotting any differences in behaviour. If a parent thinks that this could be because of the internet, why can't they talk about it to he or she, or as a last resort, have a look at their browsing activities together? Good parenting ultimately ensures boundaries are set before rules are given. That a child knows what to expect from a parent, and vise versa.
And nothing wrong with spying to find their interests. I mean, works on birthdays if you haven't got a clue on what to buy them. That is for some parents who don't have the time to spend with their kids, like fathers working all day.
I understand your point. What I meant initally was that this is not the sole duty of the government -- parents have to take some of the responsibility, likewise schools.
Parents should be the ones setting the rules -- they pay the internet bills.
Good lord, if the internet existed when I was 14, I couldn't think of anything more horrific looking at a browsing history together. It's like saying "Now come into the kitchen, and read aloud from your diary for your father and me".
I didn't mean intrusively monitor. What parent should sit in a room in front their daughter, whilst they are looking at shopping sites? Or ask their son to hand his laptop before he goes to sleep?
There are other ways to keep tabs. Namely spotting any differences in behaviour. If a parent thinks that this could be because of the internet, why can't they talk about it to he or she, or as a last resort, have a look at their browsing activities together? Good parenting ultimately ensures boundaries are set before rules are given. That a child knows what to expect from a parent, and vise versa.
And nothing wrong with spying to find their interests. I mean, works on birthdays if you haven't got a clue on what to buy them. That is for some parents who don't have the time to spend with their kids, like fathers working all day.
I understand your point. What I meant initally was that this is not the sole duty of the government -- parents have to take some of the responsibility, likewise schools.
Parents should be the ones setting the rules -- they pay the internet bills.
:)No problem. I get a bit bored with the usual " Its not my problem, it up to parents to police their kids and the net" argument.
It is a problem indeed. Clearly the demand for available online sex in its many guises to adults and the protection of children/teens is a cause of extreme conflict.
Of course I would say that children should come first. I will lose, the sex industry and the billions made from selling sex has won and will continue to win.
Britain was a better place before the internet. So I don't get all the 'censorship' arguments..
I don't get people who think the quality of life in Britain in the 80s was better than now... From what I remember of the 80s, life is so much better now
Good lord, if the internet existed when I was 14, I couldn't think of anything more horrific looking at a browsing history together. It's like saying "Now come into the kitchen, and read aloud from your diary for your father and me".
God I cannot imagine anything worse.:eek: I can but it woulkd be soo cringy.
I don't get people who think the quality of life in Britain in the 80s was better than now... From what I remember of the 80s, life is so much better now
I don't get people who think the quality of life in Britain in the 80s was better than now... From what I remember of the 80s, life is so much better now
Funnily enough, it was the Tory party too who went all over the top about VHS horror movies in the 80s, banning them left right and center.
Funnily enough, it was the Tory party too who went all over the top about VHS horror movies in the 80s, banning them left right and center.
That Mary Bloody Whitehouse... It was her fault Round The Bend was cancelled when I was a kid... I remember doing about the Video Nasties Act at school. Think it was 84 that came about wasn't it? Or 82 maybe
Mostly through technology... from reading, listening to music, learning, 24/7 entertainment, shopping, access to information and gadgets that make tasks quicker and easier
Of course I would say that children should come first. I will lose, the sex industry and the billions made from selling has won and will continue to win.
It's like trying to hold back a tidal wave. Cameron is the little boy with his finger in the dyke. (But hang on, we're back to porn again )
That Mary Bloody Whitehouse... It was her fault Round The Bend was cancelled when I was a kid... I remember doing about the Video Nasties Act at school. Think it was 84 that came about wasn't it? Or 82 maybe
Mostly through technology... from reading, listening to music, learning, 24/7 entertainment, shopping, access to information and gadgets that make tasks quicker and easier
But that brings its disadvantages. Instant need for gratification, knee jerk reactions, and narry a moment to reflect on anything much.
That Mary Bloody Whitehouse... It was her fault Round The Bend was cancelled when I was a kid... I remember doing about the Video Nasties Act at school. Think it was 84 that came about wasn't it? Or 82 maybe
It was James Ferman, who was director of the bbfc from 1975-1999, who didn't really get horror movies. What films got what rating was ultimately his decision, and sometimes he made decisions that were eccentric to say the least. Directors he didn't like- eg Michael Winner- were frequently cut, while directors he liked- eg David Cronenberg- were never cut.
I don't get people who think the quality of life in Britain in the 80s was better than now... From what I remember of the 80s, life is so much better now
Life might be 'better' in a lot of other places too. But the point is that Britain was a perfectly functioning democracy without this 'free speech' internet.
The net is not all good and I don't see why it can't be regulated just ike all other mediums before it.
Filthy material for 6 year old kids is not acceptable, and eventually all civilized nations will have come to the fact that 'accidental' access is harmful to a society at large. Glad the UK govt is at the forefront at cleaning up the web!
I LOVED it. Aardman did the animation segments for the show too. Managed to last 3 series before it was deemed "politically incorrect" I believe
The 80's got away with a lot with kids shows
There was one where the kid was put into a dungeon whilst been blinded and either was left to stave to death or often ended up at the bottom of a pit or something
It seems our democracy has turned into a dictatorship ruled by two parties who didn't even win by majority but feel they have enough authority and public backing to make these changes without even having a referendum to seek the public's opinion.
When we are taking a lead from China on censorship, I can't help feeling we're going down the wrong path for the wrong reasons.
If parents are too cheap and lazy to go buy Net Nanny from PC World, that's their choice and not mine. Why should we suffer because parents don't want to be parents and take appropriate measures in their own interests anymore?
Next we'll be putting kids into boarding schools because "their parents can't be trusted to raise them properly in this day and age". Well, if you give them less and less authority and do more and more to give them excuses for their own lax behaviour by suggesting the government should be responsible for everything, we're just going to end up with more people expecting more from a government that clearly can't provide it given the benefit reforms and decreasing funds for public facilities such as libraries and hospitals. We already have parents blaming schools, video games, the internet for various problems... I'm sorry, but who is choosing the school for these children? Who is purchasing these expensive consoles and video games? Who purchases their smartphones, laptops and tablets? I don't know many children under 16 earning enough money for these kind of things themselves because they tend to be at school, not out working a 40 hour week. But apparently once they purchase these things for their children any and all responsibility is no longer theirs even though it is their purchased property to use as they see fit.
Next we'll have kitchenware manufacturers being sued because someone slips with a knife and cuts themselves because "how was I suppose to know a knife would cut me? I thought it could only cut vegetables and animal meat, not human flesh!"
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Good lord, if the internet existed when I was 14, I couldn't think of anything more horrific looking at a browsing history together. It's like saying "Now come into the kitchen, and read aloud from your diary for your father and me".
Regulation is not necessary censorship.
:)No problem. I get a bit bored with the usual " Its not my problem, it up to parents to police their kids and the net" argument.
It is a problem indeed. Clearly the demand for available online sex in its many guises to adults and the protection of children/teens is a cause of extreme conflict.
Of course I would say that children should come first. I will lose, the sex industry and the billions made from selling sex has won and will continue to win.
I don't get people who think the quality of life in Britain in the 80s was better than now... From what I remember of the 80s, life is so much better now
God I cannot imagine anything worse.:eek: I can but it woulkd be soo cringy.
Was it? When was this then?
In what way is it better?
Funnily enough, it was the Tory party too who went all over the top about VHS horror movies in the 80s, banning them left right and center.
There's less racial and sexual discrimination for a start.
Women can now not be forced to have sex with their husbands.
That Mary Bloody Whitehouse... It was her fault Round The Bend was cancelled when I was a kid... I remember doing about the Video Nasties Act at school. Think it was 84 that came about wasn't it? Or 82 maybe
Mostly through technology... from reading, listening to music, learning, 24/7 entertainment, shopping, access to information and gadgets that make tasks quicker and easier
It's like trying to hold back a tidal wave. Cameron is the little boy with his finger in the dyke. (But hang on, we're back to porn again
Thanks Dave.:rolleyes:
To paraphrase Bill Hicks, "It's not a war on porn, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is okay?".
TBF Round The Bend was pretty rubbish I tried to watch it a few times but cold find it any good
I liked Round the Bend, I used to like the tune.
I LOVED it. Aardman did the animation segments for the show too. Managed to last 3 series before it was deemed "politically incorrect" I believe
But that brings its disadvantages. Instant need for gratification, knee jerk reactions, and narry a moment to reflect on anything much.
It was James Ferman, who was director of the bbfc from 1975-1999, who didn't really get horror movies. What films got what rating was ultimately his decision, and sometimes he made decisions that were eccentric to say the least. Directors he didn't like- eg Michael Winner- were frequently cut, while directors he liked- eg David Cronenberg- were never cut.
Life might be 'better' in a lot of other places too. But the point is that Britain was a perfectly functioning democracy without this 'free speech' internet.
The net is not all good and I don't see why it can't be regulated just ike all other mediums before it.
Filthy material for 6 year old kids is not acceptable, and eventually all civilized nations will have come to the fact that 'accidental' access is harmful to a society at large. Glad the UK govt is at the forefront at cleaning up the web!
There was one where the kid was put into a dungeon whilst been blinded and either was left to stave to death or often ended up at the bottom of a pit or something
They will chip away with things like this and people on twitter being arrested and then before you know it we will be censored.
When we are taking a lead from China on censorship, I can't help feeling we're going down the wrong path for the wrong reasons.
If parents are too cheap and lazy to go buy Net Nanny from PC World, that's their choice and not mine. Why should we suffer because parents don't want to be parents and take appropriate measures in their own interests anymore?
Next we'll be putting kids into boarding schools because "their parents can't be trusted to raise them properly in this day and age". Well, if you give them less and less authority and do more and more to give them excuses for their own lax behaviour by suggesting the government should be responsible for everything, we're just going to end up with more people expecting more from a government that clearly can't provide it given the benefit reforms and decreasing funds for public facilities such as libraries and hospitals. We already have parents blaming schools, video games, the internet for various problems... I'm sorry, but who is choosing the school for these children? Who is purchasing these expensive consoles and video games? Who purchases their smartphones, laptops and tablets? I don't know many children under 16 earning enough money for these kind of things themselves because they tend to be at school, not out working a 40 hour week. But apparently once they purchase these things for their children any and all responsibility is no longer theirs even though it is their purchased property to use as they see fit.
Next we'll have kitchenware manufacturers being sued because someone slips with a knife and cuts themselves because "how was I suppose to know a knife would cut me? I thought it could only cut vegetables and animal meat, not human flesh!"
The priorities here are backwards.