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    O-JO-J Posts: 18,866
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    benjamini wrote: »
    Funny, I always thought that about you:D
    Im a she by the way:p
    Pootmatoot wrote: »
    Well your name is a little misleading :p

    The fellow Ben, Like myself :D
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    PootmatootPootmatoot Posts: 15,640
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    They've not heard of "parental responsibility" at all from the sounds of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content-control_software

    There are many forms of software to censor internet content available, some free and some that must be paid for. Parents need to stop blaming the internet and start doing some shopping or not letting their children have unsupervised access rather than trying to pass the buck for their own lax attitudes towards responsible parenting.




    I'm not sure there isn't a major ISP that also doesn't supply such a service for free.
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    benjaminibenjamini Posts: 32,066
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    They've not heard of "parental responsibility" at all from the sounds of it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content-control_software

    There are many forms of software to censor internet content available, some free and some that must be paid for. Parents need to stop blaming the internet and start doing some shopping or not letting their children have unsupervised access rather than trying to pass the buck for their own lax attitudes towards responsible parenting.

    As I asked earlier, when does a child become an adult? When does the parent remove the Firewall ? What do you think is an acceptable age when all images both legal and illegal become acceptable viewing?
    Apparently I am so old that I do not understand modern technology, please explain:confused:
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    benjaminibenjamini Posts: 32,066
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    benbenalen wrote: »
    The fellow Ben, Like myself :D

    Benjamin, a boy, Benjamini, a girl.....or in my case a tired old girl.
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    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
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    The thing about adding software to block it if the parents do buy these things who do you think they will ask to install it?

    Plus a lot of kids will find a way around it 5 mins on goggle and I'm sure they will fond a way to bypass it same goes for this block really the same way they tried to block torrent sites but most people who use them still are
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
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    benjamini wrote: »
    As I asked earlier, when does a child become an adult? When does the parent remove the Firewall ? What do you think is an acceptable age when all images both legal and illegal become acceptable viewing?
    Apparently I am so old that I do not understand modern technology, please explain:confused:

    Apparently parents by their kids these things and don't bother to implement password protection on the security settings at all. Even the basic PC settings allow you to censor most content on security settings and add web addresses that are then banned from then on.

    It seems the sad truth is parents by things for their kids and then just leave them to it yet are then shocked when they search for adult material. No child has ever been tempted to watch material unsuitable for them ever before apparently in their feeble little minds.

    Too much money and not enough sense.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
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    The thing about adding software to block it if the parents do buy these things who do you think they will ask to install it?

    Plus a lot of kids will find a way around it 5 mins on goggle and I'm sure they will fond a way to bypass it same goes for this block really the same way they tried to block torrent sites but most people who use them still are

    PC World can install it for a fee as can most call out IT professionals.

    If they don't want their kids accessing porn on the internet or via their smartphones, buy them basic mobile phones that cannot access the internet or a basic contract with no web access, then do not allow them to use the laptop at all unsupervised. It's actually quite simple to control these things without having to make "what ifs..." and excuses in advance.
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    O-JO-J Posts: 18,866
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    benjamini wrote: »
    As I asked earlier, when does a child become an adult? When does the parent remove the Firewall ? What do you think is an acceptable age when all images both legal and illegal become acceptable viewing?
    Apparently I am so old that I do not understand modern technology, please explain:confused:

    A child becomes a adult at 18, but I feel they should be allowed to watch porn during teenage puberty years, 13 on words,
    I'm 19 going on 20, and my parents still hasn't given me the "sex talk" and don't think they ever will,

    if it wasn't for the internet, I would have not known how to have sex at the age of 19, so I learned how to at the age of 12, and lost my virginity at 16. when I first had a wet dream at age 14, I was freaking out, was scared that I will die, and my parents didnt tell me what it was, so after looking on the internet, I laughed at the actual truth!

    Internet is not all bad :rolleyes:
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    PootmatootPootmatoot Posts: 15,640
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    benjamini wrote: »
    As I asked earlier, when does a child become an adult? When does the parent remove the Firewall ? What do you think is an acceptable age when all images both legal and illegal become acceptable viewing?
    Apparently I am so old that I do not understand modern technology, please explain:confused:



    Illegal pictures are already....ummm... illegal.


    If you're looking for illegal things, they you're going to be using things that no blocker can block anyway, such as torrents. You can't stop someone who is committed from doing something (just like banning booze just drives it underground, or if someone wants to make a bomb, they can make a bomb).

    In terms of a normal blocker, I would never use one anyway. A 14 year old searching secretly searching for "ladies boobs" is part of growing up, and has happened since the beginning of time (and frankly my son looking for that in his bedroom is a lot more savory than him spying through a peephole into the ladies changing room).
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    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
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    PC World can install it for a fee as can most call out IT professionals.

    If they don't want their kids accessing porn on the internet or via their smartphones, buy them basic mobile phones that cannot access the internet or a basic contract with no web access, then do not allow them to use the laptop at all unsupervised. It's actually quite simple to control these things without having to make "what ifs..." and excuses in advance.

    True but still get the kid to do it themselves.

    But say they do get a professorial to install it and told it's now safe for their kids to use it the kids will figure out a way to bypass it.

    As I said I don't think this block is worth it as anybody who wants to view it will work out how to bypass the block.
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    benjaminibenjamini Posts: 32,066
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    Apparently parents by their kids these things and don't bother to implement password protection on the security settings at all. Even the basic PC settings allow you to censor most content on security settings and add web addresses that are then banned from then on.

    It seems the sad truth is parents by things for their kids and then just leave them to it yet are then shocked when they search for adult material. No child has ever been tempted to watch material unsuitable for them ever before apparently in their feeble little minds.

    Too much money and not enough sense.

    That may be very true of many and despite being called all sorts of an old has been, not true in my particular case. Technology is moving very swiftly and I don't blame parents, its easy to be smug but I have every sympathy with them.
    It is the constant need, not to keep them abreast of new technology but to be vigilant against new ways that adult sexuality will intrude into their lives.
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    Haribo76Haribo76 Posts: 2,090
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    Is this block going to apply to mobile networks? If not then what is the point? Kids will just tether their phone and look porn that way.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    Must admit, if I thought that censorship of online porn was the sole issue I wouldn't be concerned.
    As soon as any such restriction is imposed I'll be straight on the phone to my ISP to have it un-imposed.
    No biggie.

    Not at all keen on the precedent it sets though.
    This bunch seem rather trigger-happy when it comes to getting ISPs to do their bidding and that's not a situation anybody should really approve of.
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    O-JO-J Posts: 18,866
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    Haribo76 wrote: »
    Is this block going to apply to mobile networks? If not then what is the point? Kids will just tether their phone and look porn that way.

    I can't believe this is happening,
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    benjaminibenjamini Posts: 32,066
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    Pootmatoot wrote: »
    Illegal pictures are already....ummm... illegal.


    If you're looking for illegal things, they you're going to be using things that no blocker can block anyway, such as torrents. You can't stop someone who is committed from doing something (just like banning booze just drives it underground, or if someone wants to make a bomb, they can make a bomb).

    In terms of a normal blocker, I would never use one anyway. A 14 year old searching secretly searching for "ladies boobs" is part of growing up, and has happened since the beginning of time (and frankly my son looking for that in his bedroom is a lot more savory than him spying through a peephole into the ladies changing room).

    God to imply Im in some way against kids seeking and finding images of sex is nonsense. I did it, my 3 grown up children did it. I hope my current teen daughter does.
    What was not available to all of us, apart from my teen daughter was the possibility of seeing images that were a distorted image of exteme adult sex, or of exteme violence. These are images of choice by a few. I would not wish to censor choice but I wish that those wishing to view certain images opt to choose.
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    PootmatootPootmatoot Posts: 15,640
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    Si_Crewe wrote: »
    Must admit, if I thought that censorship of online porn was the sole issue I wouldn't be concerned.
    As soon as any such restriction is imposed I'll be straight on the phone to my ISP to have it un-imposed.
    No biggie.

    Not at all keen on the precedent it sets though.
    This bunch seem rather trigger-happy when it comes to getting ISPs to do their bidding and that's not a situation anybody should really approve of.


    Si_Crewe is the first name on the Grand List of Perverts!
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    JCRJCR Posts: 24,131
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    Pootmatoot wrote: »
    Si_Crewe is the first name on the Grand List of Perverts!

    No no no! I wanna go first. :D

    I've got a VPN and everything. :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
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    benjamini wrote: »
    That may be very true of many and despite being called all sorts of an old has been, not true in my particular case. Technology is moving very swiftly and I don't blame parents, its easy to be smug but I have every sympathy with them.
    It is the constant need, not to keep them abreast of new technology but to be vigilant against new ways that adult sexuality will intrude into their lives.

    Porn magazines were kept on the top shelves of retailers so children could not reach them.

    If parents don't want their kids having access to porn on the internet, don't allow them internet access.

    They can't get what is out of their reach, this is basic sense that is apparently being forgotten because every kid thinks they are entitled to a brand new phone and laptop. In reality I am fairly sure there is no law of the land stating this so parents simply need to restrict or completely bar their kids access.
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    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
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    Porn magazines were kept on the top shelves of retailers so children could not reach them.

    If parents don't want their kids having access to porn on the internet, don't allow them internet access.

    They can't get what is out of their reach, this is basic sense that is apparently being forgotten because every kid thinks they are entitled to a brand new phone and laptop. In reality I am fairly sure there is no law of the land stating this so parents simply need to restrict or completely bar their kids access.
    I would agree but from what I understand now a lot of school homework and school work requires the child has internet access
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    True but still get the kid to do it themselves.

    But say they do get a professorial to install it and told it's now safe for their kids to use it the kids will figure out a way to bypass it.

    As I said I don't think this block is worth it as anybody who wants to view it will work out how to bypass the block.

    Then the parents are stupid. "I'm going to try censor the internet from my child but let my child set up the censorship." I shouldn't lose something because a parent is too stupid to raise their kids properly and sensibly. They should lose their kids to child services for being negligent parents. They should suffer the consequences of their actions or lack thereof, not me.

    There are apps compatible with most forms of internet censoring software so if a blocked web address has been attempted to be accessed, the app will sound and alarm to notify the parent and list the web address. Attempts to circumvent the software will also cause an alarm and warning textbox to appear.

    The technology is there, if people are too stupid to use it, maybe they just shouldn't use it at all rather than forcing us capable and responsible adults to suffer because they can't be bothered to read an instruction manual or employ a suitable professional to do the job and teach them.
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    I would agree but from what I understand now a lot of school homework and school work requires the child has internet access

    No, it doesn't. That's a lie of convenience people use to excuse their lax attitudes. I did homework by reading my text books and borrowing books. If kids must be forced to learn the hard way in order to prevent them accessing adult material, maybe that'll will teach them the value of having a luxury such as internet access so they don't abuse it in the future.

    Or, you know, they will have to ask their parents to use the internet to help them while they wait.

    Either way, an outright ban because people are lazy, stupid and cheap when it comes to using technology properly and teaching their kids to use it responsibly is not my problem, it is their computer, their child, their internet account and their job to do.
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    SambdaSambda Posts: 6,275
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    benbenalen wrote: »
    So are Adults like me still allowed to view Redtube and Pornhub?

    You'll have to ring up your ISP and declare yourself a pervert.

    Then a few years later the list will be made available to employers etc. because "a statistical link has been found between pornography usage and sexual crimes".
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    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
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    Then the parents are stupid. "I'm going to try censor the internet from my child but let my child set up the censorship." I shouldn't lose something because a parent is too stupid to raise their kids properly and sensibly. They should lose their kids to child services for being negligent parents. They should suffer the consequences of their actions or lack thereof, not me.

    There are apps compatible with most forms of internet censoring software so if a blocked web address has been attempted to be accessed, the app will sound and alarm to notify the parent and list the web address. Attempts to circumvent the software will also cause an alarm and warning textbox to appear.

    The technology is there, if people are too stupid to use it, maybe they just shouldn't use it at all rather than forcing us capable and responsible adults to suffer because they can't be bothered to read an instruction manual or employ a suitable professional to do the job and teach them.
    They are always ways around it they are ways around everything if the kid can't figure out themselves a quick google search will show them.

    That's why I don't see why people are bothered about this as it won't stop anybody all you need is a proxy and it will bypass any block that's why the block on torrents in the UK has not worked.
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    James FrederickJames Frederick Posts: 53,184
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    No, it doesn't. That's a lie of convenience people use to excuse their lax attitudes. I did homework by reading my text books and borrowing books. If kids must be forced to learn the hard way in order to prevent them accessing adult material, maybe that'll will teach them the value of having a luxury such as internet access so they don't abuse it in the future.

    Or, you know, they will have to ask their parents to use the internet to help them while they wait.

    Either way, an outright ban because people are lazy, stupid and cheap when it comes to using technology properly and teaching their kids to use it responsibly is not my problem, it is their computer, their child, their internet account and their job to do.

    I read books ect myself but that was 20 years ago and time has moved on.

    I do think kids should be allowed the internet to learn it's a very useful tool I wish had it back n the day myself as then I could have read even more info and done more work (Even back then I was often set my own work as I was in front of rest of the class)
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    O-JO-J Posts: 18,866
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    Sambda wrote: »
    You'll have to ring up your ISP and declare yourself a pervert.

    Then a few years later the list will be made available to employers etc. because "a statistical link has been found between pornography usage and sexual crimes".

    Anyone else going to call their ISP for porn?
    I am, otherwise there is one less things to do on the internet!

    Not all men who watch porn are perverts, thats not fair if they do this? Not fair at all,

    I watch porn all the time, and sexual crimes scare me!
    I know i'm not alone in this!
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