I believe the gp practice gets payments for the number of people they treat for diabetes. They certainly do for cholesterol pills anyway. . Look up QOF payments NHs.
I've long suspected this. I've known Doctors ignore other patient complaints to concentrate on the diabetes.
I have just googled what they get paid, I am truly shocked at what I read, they seem to be being paid to keep us ill rather than cure us on many many diseases and problems.
Will certainly look to other cures for some of my other problems if they get paid to keep me ill.
Any nurse , clinic , doctor, dietician , etc my daughter attends ( she is Type 1 mind you ) is well aware of the carb effect and that its the carbs that need controlling .
I have just googled what they get paid, I am truly shocked at what I read, they seem to be being paid to keep us ill rather than cure us on many many diseases and problems.
Will certainly look to other cures for some of my other problems if they get paid to keep me ill.
I must be typing in the wrong search criteria as I can't find it! How much is it for a diabetic and how much for blood pressure? Whatever the amount it is a scandal as for example I just go once a year. This, and the food industry, needs demonising like the tobacco one was.
After being diagnosed last November with Type 2 (think caught early as I had no symptoms, was picked up in a blood test) I have been very careful in how I eat, low carb mostly.
I have lost 2.5 stone, my readings came down and my GP was really pleased with me. But when I went to see the diabetic nurse she was almost visibly disappointed she couldn't prescribe me anything and said well, you will still need medication eventually.
The attitude made me quite angry, as she seems determined to dish out meds for people.
Just wondered if anyone else keeps theirs under control by diet and exercise?
Not all are cases of type 2 diabetis are controlled by diet and exercise alone. Some type 2 diabetics simply have to use meds to help with the condition regardless of weight
I must be typing in the wrong search criteria as I can't find it! How much is it for a diabetic and how much for blood pressure? Whatever the amount it is a scandal as for example I just go once a year. This, and the food industry, needs demonising like the tobacco one was.
Your best path to follow would be an appointment with a dietician who specialises in diabetes . My daughter ( Type 1 ) saw one at the beginning of her diagnoses and again last week ( as other issues are now at play ) and she was the most informed , educated and helpful .She was given list of all foods and the carb and sugar content and how much fruit etc to have .
If at all possible could you ask to be referred to one or failing that would it be possible to pay for an appointment privately ?
Her case is a little different to yours as she is Type 1 and uses insulin , she is encouraged to have fruit etc but to factor it in in the insulin dose .
Not all are cases of type 2 diabetis are controlled by diet and exercise alone. Some type 2 diabetics simply have to use meds to help with the condition regardless of weight
I appreciate that but my point was the NHS advice is plain wrong. They actively tell you to eat starchy carbs then offset the insulin increase by meds. It flies in the face of commom sense and all the other advice out there.
I appreciate that but my point was the NHS advice is plain wrong. They actively tell you to eat starchy carbs then offset the insulin increase by meds. It flies in the face of commom sense and all the other advice out there.
I wasnt. I was advised to make sure approx a third of my diet consisted of carbs which is good advice to maintain a healthy and balanced diet
I appreciate that but my point was the NHS advice is plain wrong. They actively tell you to eat starchy carbs then offset the insulin increase by meds. It flies in the face of commom sense and all the other advice out there.
Do you mean the NHS advice as a whole or the advice you were given ? One nurse does not make an whole NHS wrong .Just wondering what you mean .?
I've long suspected this. I've known Doctors ignore other patient complaints to concentrate on the diabetes.
You know how hard it usually is to get in to see a GP? when they found out my dh had type 2 diabetes the nurses were ringing him almost every week to come for blood tests. He said "but I've just had them done". they actually said "oh don't worry just come in again." We found that highly odd.:rolleyes::rolleyes: I joked and said they must be getting extra payments!
if anybody wants to check this out a good starting place is the bma site. bma.org.uk and search QOF payments. I had a quick look and for each patient they get 11 points which are worth £1726.00 to an average practice.
I have just googled what they get paid, I am truly shocked at what I read, they seem to be being paid to keep us ill rather than cure us on many many diseases and problems.
Will certainly look to other cures for some of my other problems if they get paid to keep me ill.
You should check out the massive money they make on getting people on statins for high cholesterol. This is extra money on top of their six figure salaries. I will try and add a link later. But check out QOF payments statins.
You should check out the massive money they make on getting people on statins for high cholesterol. This is extra money on top of their six figure salaries. I will try and add a link later. But check out QOF payments statins.
No wonder the nurse was so keen to get me on them.......
the way to control runs against all the nhs teaches them
they have no understanding of basic biology
they, along with most of the nhs, has swallowed the whole low fat approach to diet and can't accept that carbs are just as bad
and for diabetics far worse
high fat, low carb is the way to control
bloodsugar101 - google it
I totally agree.
I have recently been researching the pros and cons of high protein/low carb v the usual 'healthy' diet advised by the NHS.
Carbs are broken down in the body into sugar, plain old glucose, and as such still affect blood sugar levels. This impacts not just diabetics, but others, raising blood sugar levels, followed by a 'crash' in sugar levels . This can lead to hunger and cravings. It also affects the pancreas, having to pump out insulin to cope with the sugar intake. Which may be partly why some poor old pancreas' pack up, and cause diabetes.
I personally am following a high good quality protein, moderate fat, loads of veg and a little fruit diet with minimal carbs. I am not diabetic,but its in my family, am very overweight, and want to kick the sugar 'addiction' that I have.
Unfortunately the NHS has so much invested in the 'healthy' diet that they preach with its advice to patients, and is so behind the times. The nurses can only give advice that is the 'party line' of the NHS, even though there is research that this may not be the best diet in practice.
After being diagnosed last November with Type 2 (think caught early as I had no symptoms, was picked up in a blood test) I have been very careful in how I eat, low carb mostly.
I have lost 2.5 stone, my readings came down and my GP was really pleased with me. But when I went to see the diabetic nurse she was almost visibly disappointed she couldn't prescribe me anything and said well, you will still need medication eventually.
The attitude made me quite angry, as she seems determined to dish out meds for people.
Just wondered if anyone else keeps theirs under control by diet and exercise?
Yes and when I went to see the diabetic nurse she was less than happy I was managing so well, even went as far as to say the 4 stone I have lost so far won't stay off long !
Well done for coping so well and working things out yourselves. The nurses concerned are just plain nasty.:):)
I totally agree.
I have recently been researching the pros and cons of high protein/low carb v the usual 'healthy' diet advised by the NHS.
Carbs are broken down in the body into sugar, plain old glucose, and as such still affect blood sugar levels. This impacts not just diabetics, but others, raising blood sugar levels, followed by a 'crash' in sugar levels . This can lead to hunger and cravings. It also affects the pancreas, having to pump out insulin to cope with the sugar intake. Which may be partly why some poor old pancreas' pack up, and cause diabetes.
I personally am following a high good quality protein, moderate fat, loads of veg and a little fruit diet with minimal carbs. I am not diabetic,but its in my family, am very overweight, and want to kick the sugar 'addiction' that I have.
Unfortunately the NHS has so much invested in the 'healthy' diet that they preach with its advice to patients, and is so behind the times. The nurses can only give advice that is the 'party line' of the NHS, even though there is research that this may not be the best diet in practice.
I should know, I am a nurse working in the NHS!
Thanks for that, interesting to read an opinion from "the other side"! My nurse is fairly old though so I think the school of thought is so ingrained she doesn't know any different.
Well done for coping so well and working things out yourselves. The nurses concerned are just plain nasty.:):)
Some people like to make others feel inadequate.:mad:
I can't speak for Molliepops but working things out myself was the only option really. As the NHS have stopped giving out monitoring kits for Type 2 I made sure I did research otherwise I am just relying on a once-a-year test. 12 months of doing the wrong thing can do a lot of damage!
Thanks for that, interesting to read an opinion from "the other side"! My nurse is fairly old though so I think the school of thought is so ingrained she doesn't know any different.
Food and its affects on health is a HUGE HUGE topic.
Unfortunately the commercial food industry, is not interested in 'proper' healthy food, it wants you to spend & spend on the junk it churns out.
Low fat food, which people buy, thinking they are making better choices, as the NHS drones out about reducing fat, is made palatable by adding extra carbs (sugar)
If the government really wanted to affect peoples health via food, they would have to make tough choices about its relationship with the food industry.
The advice the NHS gives out doesnt come from thin air, its the government approved line.
My dad is a diabetic and his practice nurse according to him is po faced and likes telling him what to do and doesnt like him questioning anything ! He just likes to wind her up! Dont blame him!
Yes the amount of sugar in low fat food is a disgrace. Which is why many people won't lose weight if they eat many of these low-fat items despite their good intentions.
And sugar is addictive so win-win for the food industry.
Good on your dad!
I can't speak for Molliepops but working things out myself was the only option really. As the NHS have stopped giving out monitoring kits for Type 2 I made sure I did research otherwise I am just relying on a once-a-year test. 12 months of doing the wrong thing can do a lot of damage!
On this one you can speak for me too, I could see with what I was being told I would end up like my mum on medication and then dead. I had to look at other alternatives.
I am not eating low fat, I still use butter to spread and cook with and still managed to lose 4 stones so far, I am convinced it's sugar and carbs that are my enemies.
I bought my own monitoring kit and watched the spikes after I had potatoes or pasta.
On this one you can speak for me too, I could see with what I was being told I would end up like my mum on medication and then dead. I had to look at other alternatives.
I am not eating low fat, I still use butter to spread and cook with and still managed to lose 4 stones so far, I am convinced it's sugar and carbs that are my enemies.
I bought my own monitoring kit and watched the spikes after I had potatoes or pasta.
To me, the diet advice given to us is just the same as that given to a non-diabetic for "healthy eating", i.e. including 1/3 of your plate as carbs.
I too use butter etc. As I said before, a few generations back they ate like that and there wasn't such an increase of diabetes etc. It is all down to the low-fat con peddled between the food industry and Government.
You know how hard it usually is to get in to see a GP? when they found out my dh had type 2 diabetes the nurses were ringing him almost every week to come for blood tests. He said "but I've just had them done". they actually said "oh don't worry just come in again." We found that highly odd.:rolleyes::rolleyes: I joked and said they must be getting extra payments!
if anybody wants to check this out a good starting place is the bma site. bma.org.uk and search QOF payments. I had a quick look and for each patient they get 11 points which are worth £1726.00 to an average practice.
Just did that. Not surprising that I cant get an appointment to see the Doctor, but there's no problem seeing with a diabetic problem. Other maladies can't be discussed during it though.
Yes the amount of sugar in low fat food is a disgrace. Which is why many people won't lose weight if they eat many of these low-fat items despite their good intentions.
And sugar is addictive so win-win for the food industry.
Good on your dad!
That is why I make my own food. I never buy prepacked, precooked food from the supermarket. I don't have diabetes but my mum did. She controlled hers through diet.
Just did that. Not surprising that I cant get an appointment to see the Doctor, but there's no problem seeing with a diabetic problem. Other maladies can't be discussed during it though.
Just like a cartoon character with ££ as their eyes!
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I've long suspected this. I've known Doctors ignore other patient complaints to concentrate on the diabetes.
Will certainly look to other cures for some of my other problems if they get paid to keep me ill.
I must be typing in the wrong search criteria as I can't find it! How much is it for a diabetic and how much for blood pressure? Whatever the amount it is a scandal as for example I just go once a year. This, and the food industry, needs demonising like the tobacco one was.
Not all are cases of type 2 diabetis are controlled by diet and exercise alone. Some type 2 diabetics simply have to use meds to help with the condition regardless of weight
Your best path to follow would be an appointment with a dietician who specialises in diabetes . My daughter ( Type 1 ) saw one at the beginning of her diagnoses and again last week ( as other issues are now at play ) and she was the most informed , educated and helpful .She was given list of all foods and the carb and sugar content and how much fruit etc to have .
If at all possible could you ask to be referred to one or failing that would it be possible to pay for an appointment privately ?
Her case is a little different to yours as she is Type 1 and uses insulin , she is encouraged to have fruit etc but to factor it in in the insulin dose .
I appreciate that but my point was the NHS advice is plain wrong. They actively tell you to eat starchy carbs then offset the insulin increase by meds. It flies in the face of commom sense and all the other advice out there.
I wasnt. I was advised to make sure approx a third of my diet consisted of carbs which is good advice to maintain a healthy and balanced diet
Do you mean the NHS advice as a whole or the advice you were given ? One nurse does not make an whole NHS wrong .Just wondering what you mean .?
You know how hard it usually is to get in to see a GP? when they found out my dh had type 2 diabetes the nurses were ringing him almost every week to come for blood tests. He said "but I've just had them done". they actually said "oh don't worry just come in again." We found that highly odd.:rolleyes::rolleyes: I joked and said they must be getting extra payments!
if anybody wants to check this out a good starting place is the bma site. bma.org.uk and search QOF payments. I had a quick look and for each patient they get 11 points which are worth £1726.00 to an average practice.
You should check out the massive money they make on getting people on statins for high cholesterol. This is extra money on top of their six figure salaries. I will try and add a link later. But check out QOF payments statins.
No wonder the nurse was so keen to get me on them.......
Both her and the shabbily photocopied leaflet she gave me.
I totally agree.
I have recently been researching the pros and cons of high protein/low carb v the usual 'healthy' diet advised by the NHS.
Carbs are broken down in the body into sugar, plain old glucose, and as such still affect blood sugar levels. This impacts not just diabetics, but others, raising blood sugar levels, followed by a 'crash' in sugar levels . This can lead to hunger and cravings. It also affects the pancreas, having to pump out insulin to cope with the sugar intake. Which may be partly why some poor old pancreas' pack up, and cause diabetes.
I personally am following a high good quality protein, moderate fat, loads of veg and a little fruit diet with minimal carbs. I am not diabetic,but its in my family, am very overweight, and want to kick the sugar 'addiction' that I have.
Unfortunately the NHS has so much invested in the 'healthy' diet that they preach with its advice to patients, and is so behind the times. The nurses can only give advice that is the 'party line' of the NHS, even though there is research that this may not be the best diet in practice.
I should know, I am a nurse working in the NHS!
Well done for coping so well and working things out yourselves. The nurses concerned are just plain nasty.:):)
Some people like to make others feel inadequate.:mad:
Thanks for that, interesting to read an opinion from "the other side"! My nurse is fairly old though so I think the school of thought is so ingrained she doesn't know any different.
I can't speak for Molliepops but working things out myself was the only option really. As the NHS have stopped giving out monitoring kits for Type 2 I made sure I did research otherwise I am just relying on a once-a-year test. 12 months of doing the wrong thing can do a lot of damage!
Food and its affects on health is a HUGE HUGE topic.
Unfortunately the commercial food industry, is not interested in 'proper' healthy food, it wants you to spend & spend on the junk it churns out.
Low fat food, which people buy, thinking they are making better choices, as the NHS drones out about reducing fat, is made palatable by adding extra carbs (sugar)
If the government really wanted to affect peoples health via food, they would have to make tough choices about its relationship with the food industry.
The advice the NHS gives out doesnt come from thin air, its the government approved line.
My dad is a diabetic and his practice nurse according to him is po faced and likes telling him what to do and doesnt like him questioning anything ! He just likes to wind her up! Dont blame him!
And sugar is addictive so win-win for the food industry.
Good on your dad!
On this one you can speak for me too, I could see with what I was being told I would end up like my mum on medication and then dead. I had to look at other alternatives.
I am not eating low fat, I still use butter to spread and cook with and still managed to lose 4 stones so far, I am convinced it's sugar and carbs that are my enemies.
I bought my own monitoring kit and watched the spikes after I had potatoes or pasta.
To me, the diet advice given to us is just the same as that given to a non-diabetic for "healthy eating", i.e. including 1/3 of your plate as carbs.
I too use butter etc. As I said before, a few generations back they ate like that and there wasn't such an increase of diabetes etc. It is all down to the low-fat con peddled between the food industry and Government.
Just did that. Not surprising that I cant get an appointment to see the Doctor, but there's no problem seeing with a diabetic problem. Other maladies can't be discussed during it though.
That is why I make my own food. I never buy prepacked, precooked food from the supermarket. I don't have diabetes but my mum did. She controlled hers through diet.
Just like a cartoon character with ££ as their eyes!