Packing your kids off to boarding school so that someone else can have the pleasure of raising them isn't what I would call caring behaviour, but it is so very upper and middle class. When I was a trainee social worker, way back when we were often told that sexual abuse within families was statistically more prevalent among "professional" families than among "working class" families.
But I am equally sure that these are both unsubstantiated assertions, just like the ones that led me to post.
There was indeed a school nurse who visited the mother at home, plus an educational welfare officer also made a home visit. The doctor was contacted and he put him on nutrition pills. No one seemed to follow through tho. The GP must have examined the child, surely he would insist on a follow up visit. So many people involved, so lttle done. It is staggering that this could happen.
Packing your kids off to boarding school so that someone else can have the pleasure of raising them isn't what I would call caring behaviour, but it is so very upper and middle class. When I was a trainee social worker, way back when we were often told that sexual abuse within families was statistically more prevalent among "professional" families than among "working class" families.
But I am equally sure that these are both unsubstantiated assertions, just like the ones that led me to post.
Are you perhaps referring to families with drug alcohol and crime histories etc. I agree there is a sub culture in this country with families who present huge problems to schools and social services. But surprisingly few given the whole population. Most working class families are excellent parents and citizens as are most other classes.
Are you perhaps referring to families with drug alcohol and crime histories etc. I agree there is a sub culture in this country with families who present huge problems to schools and social services. But surprisingly few given the whole population. Most working class families are excellent parents and citizens as are most other classes.
Yes, im talking about the underclass and NOT the working class.
Packing your kids off to boarding school so that someone else can have the pleasure of raising them isn't what I would call caring behaviour, but it is so very upper and middle class. When I was a trainee social worker, way back when we were often told that sexual abuse within families was statistically more prevalent among "professional" families than among "working class" families.
But I am equally sure that these are both unsubstantiated assertions, just like the ones that led me to post.
Maybe that's the problem with some people working in the field that they have preconceived ideas, I would agree with your second part that the assertions are incorrect, child abuse has no boundaries when it comes to class , type of person etc
Maybe that's the problem with some people working in the field that they have preconceived ideas, I would agree with your second part that the assertions are incorrect, child abuse has no boundaries when it comes to class , type of person etc
We don't often hear about similar cases of extreme child abuse/neglect/murder outside of the 'underclass' though, do we?
If you take a child to school and instruct that he eats nothing during the day due to "eating disorder", then said child is painfully thin and rummaging for food, surely common sense must prevail???
They did not say that. They said he wasn't to have anything extra to the packed lunch they sent with him because any additional food could interact with his medication.
So, he was sent to school with food. It was inadequate, but teachers were told it was in keeping with the treatment of his genetic condition.
And teachers DID report their concerns to safeguarding and to his GP.
So it would be nice if people stuck to criticising them for what actually happened (if the criticism is reasonable).
They did not say that. They said he wasn't to have anything extra to the packed lunch they sent with him because any additional food could interact with his medication.
So, he was sent to school with food. It was inadequate, but teachers were told it was in keeping with the treatment of his genetic condition.
And teachers DID report their concerns to safeguarding and to his GP.
So it would be nice if people stuck to criticising them for what actually happened (if the criticism is reasonable).
Horrible story That poor kid - where is his real father?
Good to hear those 2 evil people have been locked up, they should have been sent to a Polish prison.
well if thats your view of the 'underclass' you really shouldn't be working with them
They should never ever have to be accountable for their life style choices. if they want Dwayne, their boyf of 2 weeks to move in, despite the fact that he has a history of DV and drug use, they should never ever be questioned on their lifestyle choices. it is their right to sh@g Dwayne and another man they view as " fit", if they want to spend all their benefits money on **** and booze, instead of food for their children, they should never ever be criticized for it.
it is their money ( from the state) and it is up to them what they do with it. It is their child. so if they want to treat is badly then it is up to them, pesky social workers should never ever judge.
We don't often hear about similar cases of extreme child abuse/neglect/murder outside of the 'underclass' though, do we?
That simply comes down to money
Tetra Pak heiress Eva Rausing lay dead in her home from a drugs OD for 8 weeks before she was discovered. She had four children and yet there is no mention of where they are, who is responsible for them etc
If she had been a member of the 'underclass' rather than the 'upperclass' ( both horrible, offensive terms) - the story would have been completely different. Almost every report describes her as 'tragic'. If she had been poor and living in a council house I doubt the media would have been so generous.
People with money are just better able to hide their failings and avoid culpability.
The case of this poor little boy is extreme, but to suggest abuse only occurs in the 'underclass' is naïve.
I'm happy with that sentence. I just wish Baby P's killers had gotten the same.
Me too, It still baffles me to this day that they didn't have enough evidence to charge the mother and boyfriend with murder. The boyfriend snapped Peter's spine ffs :mad:
They did not say that. They said he wasn't to have anything extra to the packed lunch they sent with him because any additional food could interact with his medication.
So, he was sent to school with food. It was inadequate, but teachers were told it was in keeping with the treatment of his genetic condition.
And teachers DID report their concerns to safeguarding and to his GP.
So it would be nice if people stuck to criticising them for what actually happened (if the criticism is reasonable).
They did not say that. They said he wasn't to have anything extra to the packed lunch they sent with him because any additional food could interact with his medication.
So, he was sent to school with food. It was inadequate, but teachers were told it was in keeping with the treatment of his genetic condition.
And teachers DID report their concerns to safeguarding and to his GP.
So it would be nice if people stuck to criticising them for what actually happened (if the criticism is reasonable).
If you were the school would you not have asked for details of his condition for your files , that would be normal to my mind , to have any medical conditions fully explained, maybe if that had been done the mothers story would have fallen at the first hurdle. In this day and age I would have thought it would be normal to ask what the condition was in case the child needed urgent medical assistance whilst in their care rather than just comply.
Tetra Pak heiress Eva Rausing lay dead in her home from a drugs OD for 8 weeks before she was discovered. She had four children and yet there is no mention of where they are, who is responsible for them etc
If she had been a member of the 'underclass' rather than the 'upperclass' ( both horrible, offensive terms) - the story would have been completely different. Almost every report describes her as 'tragic'. If she had been poor and living in a council house I doubt the media would have been so generous.
People with money are just better able to hide their failings and avoid culpability.
The case of this poor little boy is extreme, but to suggest abuse only occurs in the 'underclass' is naïve.
They should never ever have to be accountable for their life style choices. if they want Dwayne, their boyf of 2 weeks to move in, despite the fact that he has a history of DV and drug use, they should never ever be questioned on their lifestyle choices. it is their right to sh@g Dwayne and another man they view as " fit", if they want to spend all their benefits money on **** and booze, instead of food for their children, they should never ever be criticized for it.
it is their money ( from the state) and it is up to them what they do with it. It is their child. so if they want to treat is badly then it is up to them, pesky social workers should never ever judge.
This should not be about class or who is more or less deserving of our sympathy based on money and life choices, some of which are indeed appaling and not always circumstances of choice. This is about 2 evil people who systematically tortured and murdered a child. Evil people inhabit all walks of life.
Tetra Pak heiress Eva Rausing lay dead in her home from a drugs OD for 8 weeks before she was discovered. She had four children and yet there is no mention of where they are, who is responsible for them etc
If she had been a member of the 'underclass' rather than the 'upperclass' ( both horrible, offensive terms) - the story would have been completely different. Almost every report describes her as 'tragic'. If she had been poor and living in a council house I doubt the media would have been so generous.
People with money are just better able to hide their failings and avoid culpability.
The case of this poor little boy is extreme, but to suggest abuse only occurs in the 'underclass' is naïve.
Her children did not live with her, ergo were not at risk as she made arrangements.
but in a lot of cases, the " mother" does not want the help of the social worker as a lot of underclass woman do fail to realise that their children welfare should come first.
So the social worker has to make a judgment on what to do.
The child's care is paramount and if " mothers" would take this on board there would be no need for social services intervention.
I don't know why " mothers" from an underclass background cannot simply put their kid first.
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But I am equally sure that these are both unsubstantiated assertions, just like the ones that led me to post.
It's unbelievable to be honest.
who mentioned the " working class"
The social work trainer I quoted.
Are you perhaps referring to families with drug alcohol and crime histories etc. I agree there is a sub culture in this country with families who present huge problems to schools and social services. But surprisingly few given the whole population. Most working class families are excellent parents and citizens as are most other classes.
Yes, im talking about the underclass and NOT the working class.
Maybe that's the problem with some people working in the field that they have preconceived ideas, I would agree with your second part that the assertions are incorrect, child abuse has no boundaries when it comes to class , type of person etc
I don't think there's much "working" going on amongst the class Doobyduck's talking about
We don't often hear about similar cases of extreme child abuse/neglect/murder outside of the 'underclass' though, do we?
They did not say that. They said he wasn't to have anything extra to the packed lunch they sent with him because any additional food could interact with his medication.
So, he was sent to school with food. It was inadequate, but teachers were told it was in keeping with the treatment of his genetic condition.
And teachers DID report their concerns to safeguarding and to his GP.
So it would be nice if people stuck to criticising them for what actually happened (if the criticism is reasonable).
There is plenty of that!
Yes, so there is no need to start embellishing things with inaccuracies or exaggerations. The story is quite bad enough as it is.
well if thats your view of the 'underclass' you really shouldn't be working with them
Good to hear those 2 evil people have been locked up, they should have been sent to a Polish prison.
They should never ever have to be accountable for their life style choices. if they want Dwayne, their boyf of 2 weeks to move in, despite the fact that he has a history of DV and drug use, they should never ever be questioned on their lifestyle choices. it is their right to sh@g Dwayne and another man they view as " fit", if they want to spend all their benefits money on **** and booze, instead of food for their children, they should never ever be criticized for it.
it is their money ( from the state) and it is up to them what they do with it. It is their child. so if they want to treat is badly then it is up to them, pesky social workers should never ever judge.
:rolleyes:
That simply comes down to money
Tetra Pak heiress Eva Rausing lay dead in her home from a drugs OD for 8 weeks before she was discovered. She had four children and yet there is no mention of where they are, who is responsible for them etc
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/family-of-tragic-tetra-pak-heiress-to-boycott-inquest-8395984.html
If she had been a member of the 'underclass' rather than the 'upperclass' ( both horrible, offensive terms) - the story would have been completely different. Almost every report describes her as 'tragic'. If she had been poor and living in a council house I doubt the media would have been so generous.
People with money are just better able to hide their failings and avoid culpability.
The case of this poor little boy is extreme, but to suggest abuse only occurs in the 'underclass' is naïve.
Me too, It still baffles me to this day that they didn't have enough evidence to charge the mother and boyfriend with murder. The boyfriend snapped Peter's spine ffs :mad:
Good post mazzy.
If you were the school would you not have asked for details of his condition for your files , that would be normal to my mind , to have any medical conditions fully explained, maybe if that had been done the mothers story would have fallen at the first hurdle. In this day and age I would have thought it would be normal to ask what the condition was in case the child needed urgent medical assistance whilst in their care rather than just comply.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-23224826
Teaching assistant Amy Tokely broke down in tears in court, when she said he wanted to eat "muddy and dirty" pancakes which had been on the floor.
Daniel's mother claimed he was being treated for a rare eating disorder and school staff were not to feed him. They complied with her instructions
Exactly.
I thought their role was to help not judge.
I would have thought that at times its both, they assist but also have to make urgent on the spot judgements at times.
Her children did not live with her, ergo were not at risk as she made arrangements.
Risk is the key word here.
but in a lot of cases, the " mother" does not want the help of the social worker as a lot of underclass woman do fail to realise that their children welfare should come first.
So the social worker has to make a judgment on what to do.
The child's care is paramount and if " mothers" would take this on board there would be no need for social services intervention.
I don't know why " mothers" from an underclass background cannot simply put their kid first.