Sky & Satellite Weekly News Thread, Week #35

Radio Ruderham · 29/08/13 - 04:12

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[Highlight] ALL Channels have symbol rate of 27.5 and an F.E.C. of 2/3,
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If you see, [pids at zero], you won’t normally be able to view this with a Digibox

Astra
Txp# 45. 10.773 H SR 22.000 FEC 5/6
6390______BBC Red Button 1, now with EPG data (jimbo)
6391______Showing BBC1 London. (jimbo)

Txp# 47 10.803 H SR 22.000 FEC 5/6
6450______No signal, left over from transponder change. (jimbo)*
6452______No signal, left over from transponder change. (jimbo)
6460______No signal, left over from transponder change. (jimbo)
6466______No signal, left over from transponder change. (jimbo)
6470______No signal, left over from transponder change. (jimbo)

Txp# 50 10.847 V SR 22.000 FEC 5/6
6945_____showing BBC One HD (djrich)

Txp# 54. 10.906 V SR 22.000 FEC 5/6
10225_____Showing STV+1 (East) (Digi Man)

Txp# 56. 10.936 V 8PSK DVB-S2 SR 23.000 FEC 2/3. (plymouthbloke1974)
3855______Showing STV (West) HD. (jimbo/jzee,obrienmichael05/Analoguesat)

Txp# 61. 11.023 H, DVB-S2 SR 23.000, FEC 2/3
8900____BBC Red Button HD

Txp# 63 11.053 H SR 22.000 FEC 5/6
20780_____Showing ITV Granada HD (Disco)

€utelsat 28A
Txp# C1L 11.222 H.
BT Sport1___Showing a “tech; fault” message.
Klear TV____Still broadcasting. (Digi Man)

Txp# C2U. 11.259 V, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
52118_____Showing PCNE Chinese. (Digi Man).
52126_____Showing GOD Channel (Digi Man)

Txp# C1U 11.261 H
52180_____Showing Vintage TV (Digi Man).

Txp# C2L. 11.224 V, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
Arise News HD__Showing test card & tone, with EPG data.

Tx# C3L 11.307 H
52290_____Showing 'INI TV' (Inspiration TV). (Digi Man)

Txp# C5L 11.390 V
53530_____Showing Alex Casino (Digi Man)
52455_____No Signal Probably for TLC +2 {Overnights tv suggests 16th September launch}(Disco )

Txp# C6U 11.426 V
2525_____Showing bid.tv with no epg info (obrienmichael05)

Txp# D1S 11.469 H
1451______Showing Game Changers logo [HD subs only] (Digi Man/jimbo )
1442-10___HD Upgrade Screen. (jimbo)
1443-75___HD Upgrade Screen. (jimbo)
1444-13___HD Upgrade Screen. (jimbo)

Txp# D2S. 11.488 V, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
9XM______No Signal

Txp# D8S 11.603 V
4871______No Signal (jimbo/Digi Man/djrich)

Txp# D12S 11.681 V
51122_____Showing Setanta Ireland (Digi Man)
51123_____Showing Premier Sports (Digi Man)
Prem Spts Xtra_No signal.

Astra
Txp# 7. 11.836 H
9006______Showing Sky Movies Family. (Analoguesat/The Unknown One)

Txp# 9. 11.876 H, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
Disc.Real Time_No signal
Travel&Living _No signal.

Txp# 21. 12.110 H
1303______No Signal (Digi Man/spark22/Digi Man)

Txp# 26. 12.207 V
8039______Showing Sky News FTA (Analoguesat)
4624______Showing Pick TV +1 (jimbo)
Broadband Test App now showing a "technical fault" message (Digi Man)

Txp# 30. 12.285 V, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
4567______Showing Sky1 (Digi Man)
4568______Showing Sky Atlantic (jimbo)
1451______Used for occasional Sky feeds. (jimbo)

Txp# 32 12.324 V DVB-S2 MPEG4 HD
3844______Showing Film 4 (in HD). (M60/DragonQ/jimbo)
1650______Unknown service. (jimbo)

Txp# 34. 12.363 V DVB-S2 MPEG4 HD
3837______Showing Sky Sports 3 HD (jimbo)
3838______Showing Sky Sports F1 HD (jimbo)

€utelsat 28A
Txp# F1U. 12.560 H, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
54066_____Showing Akaal Channel. (Digi Man)
Arise News_Showing test card & tone, with EPG data.

Txp# F3L 12.607 H.
Dirty Talk__No signal

Txp# F4L.12.607 V, SR 27.500, FEC 2/3.
Yorkshire Radio____Silent audio label. (obrienmichael05/Radiomike)

Txp# F4U 12.643 V.
BT Sport 2__Showing ARQIVA MCR bars & tone. (Digi Man)

Not all of the above will be available to Digiboxes.
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[highlight]Coming Soon[/highlight]
All information is given in good faith,
but things change fast in the world of satellite TV
one thing is certain, many of these channels may never appear.

September
Film4 HDon EPG 315
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Soon
Lifetime
CNNi-HD
Film 4-HD
Playboy TV HD
Levant TV (zak2012)
Racing HD
QVC-HD (SKYtvFREAK)
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6th March, London Live launch Media Week
Freeview channel 8, Sky 117, Virgin 159 in London.
Astra 2F & 2G launching until 2014
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Summer of 2015. The re-opening of phase 1 of *The Borders Railway*. *Visit the Website*
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Other New Channels licenced by Ofcom (no launch dates yet.)
Listed by Genre,
Newest ones first. (Many thanks to Analoguesat/GrahamBCFC).

HD Channels
BBC 3 HD
BBC 4 HD
BBC News HD
CBBC HD
CBeebies HD
CBS Action (Paddy C)
CBS Drama (Paddy C)
Racing
Travel Channel (omnidirectional )

General Entertainment
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Local TV (info from Disco)
Belfast - NVTV
Birmingham - City TV Broadcasting
Brighton - Latest TV
Bristol - Made in Bristol
Cardiff - Made in Cardiff
Edinburgh - ETV
Glasgow - GTV
Grimsby - Lincolnshire Living
Liverpool - Bay TV
London - London Live
Manchester - YourTV Manchester
Newcastle - Made In Tyne & Wear
Norwich - Mustard TV
Nottingham - Notts TV
Oxford - That's Oxford
Sheffield - SLTV/Sheffield Live
Southampton - That’s Solent

Films
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Lifestyle
Home and Garden TV

Factual / Documentary
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News
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Sports
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Kids
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Music
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Shopping
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Religion
ACBN
ACT (All Communities Together)

Niche
Veria TV

Interactive / Gambling
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Foreign Language
Sony Aath
Zoom TV

Radio
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Adult
redhot TV 3D (GrahamBCFC)
Television X 3D(GrahamBCFC)

3D Channels
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DTT Changes
Comux "Phase 1" local TV multiplex schedule (chrisy)
These are preliminary dates that are subject to change.

Test Aug 2013 / On-air Sep 2013
London
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Belfast

Test Sep 2013 / On-air Oct 2013
Birmingham
Swansea*
Glasgow

Test Oct 2013 / On-air Nov 2013
Manchester
Preston
Liverpool
Leeds
Newcastle
Bristol

Test Nov 2013 / On-air Dec 2013
Nottingham
Grimsby
Sheffield
Southampton
Norwich
Oxford
Plymouth*
Brighton

* Being re-advertised as part of phase 2, so unlikely to be rolled out during phase 1.
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Radio News Headlines

1. Sunrise Radio Group chairman has denied that its network of stations are facing closure despite the company owing over £400,000 to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC). This excludes other amounts of debts that are owed to numerous creditors. More.

2. The end is near for analogue radio... radio gets very high. Like all technologies, AM radio had advantages and some problems. Today we have a brief look at the 1930s technology we still use today: Frequency Modulation on the Very High Frequency band. More.

3. A whole new tier of small-scale radio stations could be launched on DAB digital radio, new research from Ofcom suggests. The regulator tested an experimental DAB multiplex in Brighton between September 2012 and January 2013, using new lower-cost technologies including a variety of open-source software, which concluded that “it is feasible to deliver DAB in small areas at much lower cost than currently required for equipment to deliver wide-area coverage.” More

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1. Freesat, the subscription-free satellite TV service, has announced the addition of two new channels to its offering as of 27th August. More.

2. Satellite operator Intelsat is teaming up with BT Media and Broadcast, Ericsson, Sony and Newtec to transmit the Saracens vs. Gloucester rugby union match live from London in 4K Ultra-HD to the RAI Convention Centre at IBC 2013. More.

3. LG has confirmed the availability of its Curved OLED TV in Germany, becoming the first TV maker to bring advanced OLED TV technology to European customers. The OLED TV will be sold at select retailers across the country starting this week and will roll out in other European markets in the fourth quarter. More.

4. One in four homes will own a satellite dish by 2018, according to a new report from Digital TV Research. Covering 97 countries, the number of pay satellite TV (DBS or DTH) homes will reach 251 million by 2018, up from 178 million at end-2012 and 103 million at end-2008. More.

5. In the UK 98.5% of all TV viewing is on a traditional TV set and just 1.5% is on other screens such as tablets, according to Thinkbox research. Total average daily TV viewing in the UK during January-June 2013 was 4 hours, 1 minute a day per person. This comprised: three hours, 58 minutes a day of linear TV on a TV set. This is three minutes a day less than the same period last year (source: Broadcasters’ Audience Research Board [BARB]). One reason for the slight drop is the improving economy. More.

6. TalkTalk has announced it has signed its 500,000th TV customer, 11 months after adopting the PSB-telco broadband service YouView as its prime source of TV entertainment. It is a far cry from the 50,000 households that took the Tiscali TV service, formed from the old HomeChoice business, and run as TalkTalk TV. More.

7. “Studios are now in a position to go direct-to-consumer with Over-the-Top services. HBO is well placed to seed the UK market,” according to Guy Bisson, director of TV at IHS Electronics & Media. The Hollywood studios could dismantle the UK premium movie channel market by setting up their own direct-to-consumer Over-The-Top (OTT) television proposition. With as few as 1.35 million subscribers, such a service would cut out the middlemen represented by today’s pay TV providers and existing OTT services, such as Netflix. More.

8. Still hurting after having to close its 3D channel, sports broadcasting giant ESPN say it has no plans to produce a separate Ultra-HD channel. CTO Chuck Pagano says that neither DirecTV or Dish have asked ESPN to provide an Ultra-HD feed. More.

9. Early 4K tests from the EBU show that viewers appreciate higher frame rates much more than increased resolution. The tests, designed to gauge the impact of higher frame rates on the viewing experience, are taking place this week at IRT's facilities in Munich by the EBU's Broadcast Technology Futures (BTF) group, which is made up of the heads of the research labs of the BBC, IRT, RAI and NHK. More

Radio Ruderham · 29/08/13 - 04:13

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Ultra HD provides four times the resolution of today’s HD TV, providing more dramatic action for sporting events and a more compelling experience for premium movies and documentaries. Using the latest satellite solutions for Ultra HD creates exciting new opportunities for both broadcasters and industry partners. More
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TV panel makers are betting on a high rate of growth for UltraHD (4K) LCD TVs during the next four years. These companies expect to ship nearly 943,000 UHD LCD panels this year, up from less than 33,000 units in 2012, according to the Display Materials & Systems Service at information and analytics provider IHS. The next two years will see shipments ramp up even more quickly to 7.1 million units in 2015, on their way to reaching 20.8 million units by 2017. The total rises much higher when including a type of lower-priced, lower-specification product called UHD Ready, panels, which mainly are targeted at the Chinese market. Suppliers collectively plan to ship as many as 4 million UHD Ready panels this year alone. More
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SES has pioneered the first Ultra HD transmission in the new HEVC standard from an Astra satellite at 19.2 degrees East. Working with its partners Harmonic and Broadcom Corporation, it presented an end-to-end demonstration at the SES Industry Days in Luxembourg using Harmonic’s ProMedia Xpress and a HEVC decoder reference-design system based on Broadcom’s BCM7445 device for receiving HEVC encoded Ultra-HD television transmission. More
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Dolby Laboratories and Royal Philips Electronics in association with CAMERON | PACE Group (CPG) announced at NAB in Las Vegas that they have signed an agreement to integrate the Dolby 3D format into CPG’s 3D video content production workflow and to collaborate on the use of the Dolby 3D format. All parties believe that glasses-free 3D presentation in the home can be improved by delivering premium-quality autostereoscopic 3D content using the Dolby 3D format. Dolby is showcasing CPG’s 3D content in its NAB Show booth as part of its demonstration of Dolby 3D technology from post-production through distribution to playback. More
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MIPTV 2013 – Cannes. With Sony screens across the Palais and two conference sessions, there was no escaping 4K UltraHD. SES jumped at the opportunity to announce the launch of its SES Ultra HD Experience initiative, which invites content providers and broadcasters to work with SES to support the development of the Ultra HD value chain. “You’re not alone. We are here today to say to you: let’s work together,” said Norbert Hoelzle, SVP, commercial Europe, SES, during Wedensday’s 4K session. “Let’s be the catalyst for industry and get the Ultra HD train rolling. The same way we HD started ten years ago, in an industry-wide effort, let’s start Ultra HD today.” More * * *

The BBC has told London’s ‘Future TV’ summit that viewers are less and less enthusiastic about watching programming in 3D. The BBC’s technology guru Andy Quested, said the BBC had been an excited supporter of 3D broadcasting but that each time a new 3D show was televised, the audience ‘spike’ got lower. Quested’s comments come at the end of a two-year test of 3D at the BBC and include top-rated output such as the BBC’s flagship Strictly Come Dancing, natural history blockbuster Walking with Dinosaurs and comedy show Mr Stink, as well as last year’s London Olympic Games which transmitted dozens of events in 3D. The news is all the more disappointing given that the potential audience for 3D in the UK has expanded considerably, to around 1.5 million homes, over the past two years. More
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Broadcasters have further work to complete on Ultra High Definition Television before it can enter the broadcast mainstream, according to the EBU’s head of media fundamentals & production. Speaking at the SMPTE Annual Technical Conference in Hollywood Hans Hoffmann said the interfaces needed for programme production and for connections in domestic equipment both needed attention. The new family of compression technologies, HEVC will be published shortly, but much testing remains to be done. More.
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jimbo · 29/08/13 - 06:18

NEW

12.643 H

54224 - no signal

Also, 11.875 H

Travel and Living is ow 6205 and on anupgrade screen

The mux on 11.739 V has been recofigured as DVB-S and SR 27500 FEC 2/3 with an exact copy of what is on 11.914H

Digi Man · 29/08/13 - 16:03

Update

"52290" has now been relabelled as 'Inspiration'.

'Inspiration' has now changed transponders, moving from 11.259 V, 27.500, 2/3 to 11.307 H, 27.500, 2/3.

Digi Man · 29/08/13 - 16:27

Update

"2525" has now been relabelled as 'bid'.

'Bid' has now changed transponders, moving from 12.032 H, 27.500, 2/3 to 11.426 V, 27.500, 2/3.

Digi Man · 29/08/13 - 16:32

NEW

Txp#11. 11.914 H, 27.500, 2/3.

"4200"....Showing "Channel Upgrade" screen.

Digi Man · 29/08/13 - 16:41

Update

"52180" has now been relabelled as 'Vintage TV'.

'Vintage TV' has now changed transponders, moving from 12.643 H, 27.500, 2/3 to 11.261 H, 27.500, 2/3.

Digi Man · 29/08/13 - 16:58

Update

11.390 V, 27.500, 2/3.

"53530" has now been relabelled as 'Alexcasino'.

Edit: 'Alexcasino' now added to Sky EPG 864.

M60 · 29/08/13 - 17:11

Arise News now has just over a week to either get back on air or loose their EPG slots. The website is still being updated and online programmes are still being made in the US studios so someone's still getting paid (even if the distributor isn't!).

I assume if they then returned to air later than the 30 day period Sky would add their two services back at the end of the news overspill section (i.e. 573 and 574)?

Digi Man · 29/08/13 - 17:13

Update

'Celebrity Shop' has been removed from Sky EPG 677.

Still broadcasting off the EPG on Txp# C6L, 11.390 V, 27.500, 2/3.

Presumably 'Alex Casino' has taken the 'Celebrity Shop' EPG slot.

daniel99 · 29/08/13 - 17:18

Digi Man wrote: »

Update

'Celebrity Shop' has been removed from Sky EPG 677.

Still broadcasting off the EPG on Txp# C6L, 11.390 V, 27.500, 2/3.

Presumably 'Alex Casino' has taken the 'Celebrity Shop' EPG slot.

interesting a Shopping Channel replaced by a gambling channel

ste_leonard · 29/08/13 - 20:20

jimbo wrote: »

NEW

12.643 H

54224 - no signal

54224 - Now showing Euronews

Digi Man · 30/08/13 - 13:02

Digi Man wrote: »

Update

'Celebrity Shop' has been removed from Sky EPG 677.

Still broadcasting off the EPG on Txp# C6L, 11.390 V, 27.500, 2/3.

Presumably 'Alex Casino' has taken the 'Celebrity Shop' EPG slot.

'Celebrity Shop' now showing a black level screen.

JSemple3 · 30/08/13 - 16:30

Controversial/loaded removed from 200 no idea when it happened

[Deleted User] · 30/08/13 - 17:42

Not sure if anyone has mentioned but just had an email that Film4HD launches on 315 on Monday 2nd Sept

http://www.film4.com/film4-hd

Dave-H · 30/08/13 - 17:45

lettice wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has mentioned but just had an email that Film4HD launches on 315 on Monday 2nd Sept
http://www.film4.com/film4-hd

About time!

jimbo · 30/08/13 - 19:04

lettice wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has mentioned but just had an email that Film4HD launches on 315 on Monday 2nd Sept

http://www.film4.com/film4-hd

What number for the other Film 4?

Also, I thought this was going to be FTA - it was supposed to go on freesat aas well.

omnidirectional · 30/08/13 - 19:06

jimbo wrote: »

What number for the other Film 4?

Also, I thought this was going to be FTA - it was supposed to go on freesat aas well.

You must be thinking of something else as Film4 HD won't be on Freesat.

The agreement between C4 and Sky was made last year. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a405936/channel-4s-4od-to-launch-on-sky-along-with-film4-hd-and-more4-hd.html

Digi Man · 30/08/13 - 19:14

JSemple3 wrote: »

Controversial/loaded removed from 200 no idea when it happened

Definitely removed this morning, and it's currently still on air (showing the "programmes start at 21.00") off the EPG on 11.222 H, 27.500, 2/3.

Digi Man · 30/08/13 - 19:17

jimbo wrote: »

What number for the other Film 4?

Presumably EPG 342.

M60 · 30/08/13 - 21:34

NEW

12607V

55331 - showing xxXpanded TV (different APID and VPIDs to current xxXpanded SID)

jimbo · 31/08/13 - 03:22

UPDATE

Confirmation that

11.680 V

51122: Setanta Ireland pub version
51123: Setanta Sports 1 Ireland Pub version

EPG data added today

The channel itself is the same as it points to same PIDs in both cases so there will be no separate ads.

popeye13 · 31/08/13 - 07:19

jimbo wrote: »

What number for the other Film 4?

Also, I thought this was going to be FTA - it was supposed to go on freesat aas well.

Entertainment Extra+ to get Film4 HD.
Had to be as Sky have helped with start up and no way was they going to outlay that kind of cash and then let Freesat have it too!

ocav · 31/08/13 - 14:27

popeye13 wrote: »

Entertainment Extra+ to get Film4 HD.
Had to be as Sky have helped with start up and no way was they going to outlay that kind of cash and then let Freesat have it too!

Sky helped with start-up? Apart from all that time it's been on Virgin for last 2 years?

Bit of a bad deal for Sky customers, it's in the basic package for Virgin customers

muppetman11 · 31/08/13 - 14:50

Can't say I ever watch it , the movies are all old and ruined with ads.

DragonQ · 31/08/13 - 16:35

popeye13 wrote: »

Entertainment Extra+ to get Film4 HD.
Had to be as Sky have helped with start up and no way was they going to outlay that kind of cash and then let Freesat have it too!

Sounds like conjecture to me. They're probably paying for the transponder space but that's all we know.

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