...Am currently watching a few old Floyd shows that are being shown on some digital channel. He was entertaining and more importantly, like the Two Fat Ladies, actually knew what he was talking about. To me Oliver just comes across as an annoying oaf..
I used to like Floyd's constant chiding to the cameraman that "The food's the star, not me!"
Anyway, call me old school, but proper pub grub is a stale cheese roll with pickled onion and a bag of pork scratchings - off the board with a topless bird under the packs
I wasn't trying to put anyone off. As I said he was one of the only chefs that I liked from other programmes as he always seemed cheery, helpful and constructive and didn't appear to look down on others.
It really disappointed me that he would act so childishly defending his mate on Twitter. I wasn't aware that chefs are such divas.
IMO the only show which demonstrates doable recipes is Slater's Simple Suppers. They are easy, quick and relatively cheap. Unlike this and Oliver's new "moneysaving" guff.
The lamb dish he did could easily be replicated in a slow cooker. I have cooked basically the same thing in ours.
What I'd like to see is a show that demonstrates basic techniques & recipes to encourage people to have a go.
Genuine cheap recipes. When Oliver shoots his load over "ONLY £1.54 a portion" I don't think that's cheap. Four people, over £6 and that is before all the extras he piles on but doesn't cost. Take the £ away and it might be considered cheap.
Am currently watching a few old Floyd shows that are being shown on some digital channel. He was entertaining and more importantly, like the Two Fat Ladies, actually knew what he was talking about. To me Oliver just comes across as an annoying oaf.
Apologies for going off topic. I just didn't think this show did anything new and was more of the same old.
Keith Floyd's on Food Network Sky 262 today - Far Flung Floyd and Floyd on Italy I loved him, he was mad, eccentric and funny, passionate about food and you could tell he loved travelling to all those different places in his shows. He got right in with the locals and was always entertaining. I thought you could always replicate his recipes, they didn't seem difficult. Loved the Two Fat Ladies as well!
We are in a country where the NHS is collapsing mainly due to the rise lifestyle problems, ie eating too much and not moving enough. The state funded broadcaster is financing showing a show where someone 50% overweight is showing people how to cook really unhealthy food?
I think he only said it once but it definitely caught my ear
I think 'lush' and inserting the word 'proper' before other words ie 'proper lush' are going to be over-used. Rather like James Martin with 'literally' and that other word you said:D
We are in a country where the NHS is collapsing mainly due to the rise lifestyle problems, ie eating too much and not moving enough. The state funded broadcaster is financing showing a show where someone 50% overweight is showing people how to cook really unhealthy food?
We are in a country where the NHS is collapsing mainly due to the rise lifestyle problems, ie eating too much and not moving enough. The state funded broadcaster is financing showing a show where someone 50% overweight is showing people how to cook really unhealthy food?
Please stop being so intolerant.
Food is not unhealthy, per. se - however ANY food can be eaten in excessive quantities. It comes down to whether you have one of those pastrami sandwiches 3 times a day, or just as an occasional treat.
I wasn't trying to put anyone off. As I said he was one of the only chefs that I liked from other programmes as he always seemed cheery, helpful and constructive and didn't appear to look down on others.
It really disappointed me that he would act so childishly defending his mate on Twitter. I wasn't aware that chefs are such divas.
IMO the only show which demonstrates doable recipes is Slater's Simple Suppers. They are easy, quick and relatively cheap. Unlike this and Oliver's new "moneysaving" guff.
The lamb dish he did could easily be replicated in a slow cooker. I have cooked basically the same thing in ours.
What I'd like to see is a show that demonstrates basic techniques & recipes to encourage people to have a go.
Genuine cheap recipes. When Oliver shoots his load over "ONLY £1.54 a portion" I don't think that's cheap. Four people, over £6 and that is before all the extras he piles on but doesn't cost. Take the £ away and it might be considered cheap.
Am currently watching a few old Floyd shows that are being shown on some digital channel. He was entertaining and more importantly, like the Two Fat Ladies, actually knew what he was talking about. To me Oliver just comes across as an annoying oaf.
Apologies for going off topic. I just didn't think this show did anything new and was more of the same old.
Pretty fair assessment, especially the BIB. The whole TV cook format is now so hopelessly over-saturated that it's in danger of disappearing up its own arse.
Jamie Oliver jumped the shark years ago; all that playing up to the cameras that he does in his 30-minute and 15-minute shows was just embarrassing to watch yet his first shows were genuinely informative about how to do stripped-down Italian cookery. Of course, the producer insisted on all the urban lifestyle bollox to pad it out and give it that essential aspirational aspect.
For me, Nigel Slater is the quintessential cook's cook. He's been writing about food for years in an easy-going, unpretentious style and genuinely inspiring people to try something different without resorting to obscure ingredients that can only be bought from some hyper-expensive West London deli (yes, Nigella, I'm looking at you).
The main problem with TV cookery is that the medium is looking for people who are good telly performers first and can maybe cook a bit as well. This is why you get relatively untalented cooks like Oliver and Lawson in front of the cameras when genuinely knowledgeable and talented people like Anna del Conte aren't because they fail the screen test. Frankly, we should be grateful that we have any TV material featuring Nigel Slater because it's plain that he's not a telly natural at all and always seems rather uneasy on screen.
Anyway, back on topic. Kerridge seems an amiable enough bloke but the cooking seems very much in the 'cooking for a crowd' mould which hardly anyone actually ever does in real life. Look at the demographics of the population; more people divorced and living on their own, far fewer kids, smaller households - slow-cooking a 3kg shoulder of lamb with 4kg of potatoes is just fantasy stuff for the vast majority of viewers. It's just gastro-porn and it's not even new gastro-porn. Heck, we've seen it so often that I reckon your average bedsit-dweller living on microwaved ready-meals could do it from memory.:p
This show just reminded me why I rarely watch TV cookery shows anymore.
I wasn't trying to put anyone off. As I said he was one of the only chefs that I liked from other programmes as he always seemed cheery, helpful and constructive and didn't appear to look down on others.
It really disappointed me that he would act so childishly defending his mate on Twitter. I wasn't aware that chefs are such divas.
IMO the only show which demonstrates doable recipes is Slater's Simple Suppers. They are easy, quick and relatively cheap. Unlike this and Oliver's new "moneysaving" guff.
The lamb dish he did could easily be replicated in a slow cooker. I have cooked basically the same thing in ours.
What I'd like to see is a show that demonstrates basic techniques & recipes to encourage people to have a go.
Genuine cheap recipes. When Oliver shoots his load over "ONLY £1.54 a portion" I don't think that's cheap. Four people, over £6 and that is before all the extras he piles on but doesn't cost. Take the £ away and it might be considered cheap.
Am currently watching a few old Floyd shows that are being shown on some digital channel. He was entertaining and more importantly, like the Two Fat Ladies, actually knew what he was talking about. To me Oliver just comes across as an annoying oaf.
Apologies for going off topic. I just didn't think this show did anything new and was more of the same old.
I had to turn Jamie off. I don't care if it's £1.54 a portion - of course it is, when he's cooking for 6+ on his recipes!!! It was the recipe with the whole side of salmon which he says was £10. Yeah. Right. Not to mention his book on cheap meals was £26. Doesn't quite add up.
Chefs are total divas though. I'd almost expect them to be. Their food is an extension of themselves, in most cases of a micheliln chef. It's their art form, how they express themselves. But I was shocked Tom waded into that row, Sat Bains too.
But it takes nothing away from my excitement to see this programme, am thrilled such a likeable character like tom has this show and this book. It's great.
Food is not unhealthy, per. se - however ANY food can be eaten in excessive quantities. It comes down to whether you have one of those pastrami sandwiches 3 times a day, or just as an occasional treat.
Didn't watch more than the first recipe, red meat cooked with potatoes in dripping.
The guy seams nice, but looks in absolutely awful shape.
Should be illegal for the state broadcaster to show any recipe that is void of vegetables (potatoes and onion do not count).
I used to like Floyd's constant chiding to the cameraman that "The food's the star, not me!"
Anyway, call me old school, but proper pub grub is a stale cheese roll with pickled onion and a bag of pork scratchings - off the board with a topless bird under the packs
We are in a country where the NHS is collapsing mainly due to the rise lifestyle problems, ie eating too much and not moving enough. The state funded broadcaster is financing showing a show where someone 50% overweight is showing people how to cook really unhealthy food?
Pretty fair assessment, especially the BIB. The whole TV cook format is now so hopelessly over-saturated that it's in danger of disappearing up its own arse.
Jamie Oliver jumped the shark years ago; all that playing up to the cameras that he does in his 30-minute and 15-minute shows was just embarrassing to watch yet his first shows were genuinely informative about how to do stripped-down Italian cookery. Of course, the producer insisted on all the urban lifestyle bollox to pad it out and give it that essential aspirational aspect.
For me, Nigel Slater is the quintessential cook's cook. He's been writing about food for years in an easy-going, unpretentious style and genuinely inspiring people to try something different without resorting to obscure ingredients that can only be bought from some hyper-expensive West London deli (yes, Nigella, I'm looking at you).
The main problem with TV cookery is that the medium is looking for people who are good telly performers first and can maybe cook a bit as well. This is why you get relatively untalented cooks like Oliver and Lawson in front of the cameras when genuinely knowledgeable and talented people like Anna del Conte aren't because they fail the screen test. Frankly, we should be grateful that we have any TV material featuring Nigel Slater because it's plain that he's not a telly natural at all and always seems rather uneasy on screen.
Anyway, back on topic. Kerridge seems an amiable enough bloke but the cooking seems very much in the 'cooking for a crowd' mould which hardly anyone actually ever does in real life. Look at the demographics of the population; more people divorced and living on their own, far fewer kids, smaller households - slow-cooking a 3kg shoulder of lamb with 4kg of potatoes is just fantasy stuff for the vast majority of viewers. It's just gastro-porn and it's not even new gastro-porn. Heck, we've seen it so often that I reckon your average bedsit-dweller living on microwaved ready-meals could do it from memory.:p
This show just reminded me why I rarely watch TV cookery shows anymore.
I had to turn Jamie off. I don't care if it's £1.54 a portion - of course it is, when he's cooking for 6+ on his recipes!!! It was the recipe with the whole side of salmon which he says was £10. Yeah. Right. Not to mention his book on cheap meals was £26. Doesn't quite add up.
Chefs are total divas though. I'd almost expect them to be. Their food is an extension of themselves, in most cases of a micheliln chef. It's their art form, how they express themselves. But I was shocked Tom waded into that row, Sat Bains too.
But it takes nothing away from my excitement to see this programme, am thrilled such a likeable character like tom has this show and this book. It's great.
Not too sure how to multi quote & respond so am throwing it all in, unhealthily, like most of these new food shows.
Shrike on Floyd - too bloody right. What egomaniac "cook" as I believe Floyd & the Two Fat Ladies used to refer to themselves, even though they had more knowledge than these young upstarts in their gout filled little toes, would act like that now?
Heston, "I'm a chef!" Do you cook food though? "Hmm, yes", so you're a cook then. "No I'm a chef!" Is Damien Hurst a friend of yours? " Err yes." So you are definitely just a cook then. Bye.
Bottom line - decent Ploughman's - that's pub food nirvana for me. Whitebait or Scampie Fries or pork scratchings.
Putz - "The state funded broadcaster" - what country are you in? North Korea? I'm in England, Britain. The BBC is PSB. Viewers pay a licence fee. The government is nothing to do with it.
You are wrong though. You say Kerridge is "50% overweight". I will eat his pants after a shift in the kitchen if that is true. To my eye he looks at least 25 stone plus.
Please twitter him this challenge. But don't get offended if he callls you names....
Seems like a fair deal?
Trsvsis_Bickle
"For me, Nigel Slater is the quintessential cook's cook. He's been writing about food for years in an easy-going, unpretentious style and genuinely inspiring people to try something different without resorting to obscure ingredients."
Yes, great book, Toast, and great cook. My whole Thai soup / curry signature is based on his very simple recipe for prawns.
Lemongrass, garlic, ginger, chilli, lime juice, coriander, coconut milk, stock cubes. Costs about £4 for around 5 litres of soup / sauce.
rumtruffle -"Chefs are total divas though. I'd almost expect them to be."
I do now but it's completely pathetic. Ramsay often abuses people by calling them "big boys" when it's apparent that none of them, apart from Kerridge, literally, are.
You cook food. Everybody has been doing it since the dawn of time. Because people will pay top $ for your overpriced, poncey cheap cuts, doesn't make you a genius.
A show about basic cooking techniques, canny shopping would.
Anyone can make a decent enough attempt if they buy £50 cuts of meat! Overrated!
My OH made the cod, chorizo and chickpea recipe from last night's show. Just one word to describe it,,, Wow!
It was fantastic, the only downside is that the sauce is so powerful in flavour, that you can't really taste the fish, We thought it might work better with pieces of chicken instead.
Enjoyed the show, and we're thinking about paying a visit to Maltby Street market at the weekend.
Didn't watch more than the first recipe, red meat cooked with potatoes in dripping.
The guy seams nice, but looks in absolutely awful shape.
Should be illegal for the state broadcaster to show any recipe that is void of vegetables (potatoes and onion do not count).
A couple of tips.
Firstly, if you're going to criticise a programme, it probably helps if you actually watch it. The first recipe was shoulder of lamb with pommes boulangere. There was no dripping; indeed there was no added fat. What you saw him pouring over the lamb was stock.
Secondly, your rather daft assertion that every recipe shown by the BBC (not a 'state broadcaster' but hey ho) should feature vegetables other than onions or potatoes. You obviously missed the shot of the dish of green beans that accompanied the lamb. Which brings me onto my third tip:
If you want to talk about cookery shows, it helps if you understand the basics of how they work. The bits shown on screen are the difficult bits. Any idiot can cook vegetables simply; they don't need a TV chef to show them how to steam a few green beans. I'd be disappointed if a cookery show showed me how to make a cup of instant coffee. If you're an idiot, of course, I could see how you'd be disappointed.
My OH made the cod, chorizo and chickpea recipe from last night's show. Just one word to describe it,,, Wow!
It was fantastic, the only downside is that the sauce is so powerful in flavour, that you can't really taste the fish, We thought it might work better with pieces of chicken instead.
Enjoyed the show, and we're thinking about paying a visit to Maltby Street market at the weekend.
Yes, doesn't surprise me at all. Kudos to your OH for trying the recipe - I hope you were appropriately grateful.:D
Fish really works with chickpeas in something milder like chana dhal but it's going to struggle against a barrage of flavour like chorizo and spices. BTW, Kerridge's stew probably works really well without any fish at all. Nigel Slater has a great 30-minute recipe that uses chorizo, chickpeas and passata with some onion etc as a 30-minute recipe. I'm trying it tomorrow.:cool:
Yes, doesn't surprise me at all. Kudos to your OH for trying the recipe - I hope you were appropriately grateful.:D
Fish really works with chickpeas in something milder like chana dhal but it's going to struggle against a barrage of flavour like chorizo and spices. BTW, Kerridge's stew probably works really well without any fish at all. Nigel Slater has a great 30-minute recipe that uses chorizo, chickpeas and passata with some onion etc as a 30-minute recipe. I'm trying it tomorrow.:cool:
Didn't watch more than the first recipe, red meat cooked with potatoes in dripping.
Just to clarify, the lamb and potatoes were cooked in stock, not dripping. It was a particularly thick stock which will have been achieved by lengthy reduction.
You're right, but I wouldn't bother with the fish at all now!
Ooh, I might have to look that one up.
I think the fish is a nice addition though. I doubt you'd get any more flavour from cheap chicken - ofcourse if you use a nice corn fed free range chicken then that would help but then it seemed like a nice cheap stew where using pollack/ cheaper white fish does the job.
My OH made the cod, chorizo and chickpea recipe from last night's show. Just one word to describe it,,, Wow!
It was fantastic, the only downside is that the sauce is so powerful in flavour, that you can't really taste the fish, We thought it might work better with pieces of chicken instead.
Enjoyed the show, and we're thinking about paying a visit to Maltby Street market at the weekend.
If you could pick me up one of the those salt beef/pastrami sandwiches while you're there I'll have the money ready for you
I had to turn Jamie off. I don't care if it's £1.54 a portion - of course it is, when he's cooking for 6+ on his recipes!!! It was the recipe with the whole side of salmon which he says was £10. Yeah. Right. Not to mention his book on cheap meals was £26. Doesn't quite add up.
Chefs are total divas though. I'd almost expect them to be. Their food is an extension of themselves, in most cases of a micheliln chef. It's their art form, how they express themselves. But I was shocked Tom waded into that row, Sat Bains too.
But it takes nothing away from my excitement to see this programme, am thrilled such a likeable character like tom has this show and this book. It's great.
Don't be surprised at Sat Bains replies - read some of the answers he has given to people who question anything about his restaurant on review forums. Plus coming from Nottingham know people who have worked for him - :eek:
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I used to like Floyd's constant chiding to the cameraman that "The food's the star, not me!"
Anyway, call me old school, but proper pub grub is a stale cheese roll with pickled onion and a bag of pork scratchings - off the board with a topless bird under the packs
Must listen out for that next time
Keith Floyd's on Food Network Sky 262 today - Far Flung Floyd and Floyd on Italy
I think 'lush' and inserting the word 'proper' before other words ie 'proper lush' are going to be over-used. Rather like James Martin with 'literally' and that other word you said:D
Edit: particularly
Nope - can't be arsed...
Food is not unhealthy, per. se - however ANY food can be eaten in excessive quantities. It comes down to whether you have one of those pastrami sandwiches 3 times a day, or just as an occasional treat.
Pretty fair assessment, especially the BIB. The whole TV cook format is now so hopelessly over-saturated that it's in danger of disappearing up its own arse.
Jamie Oliver jumped the shark years ago; all that playing up to the cameras that he does in his 30-minute and 15-minute shows was just embarrassing to watch yet his first shows were genuinely informative about how to do stripped-down Italian cookery. Of course, the producer insisted on all the urban lifestyle bollox to pad it out and give it that essential aspirational aspect.
For me, Nigel Slater is the quintessential cook's cook. He's been writing about food for years in an easy-going, unpretentious style and genuinely inspiring people to try something different without resorting to obscure ingredients that can only be bought from some hyper-expensive West London deli (yes, Nigella, I'm looking at you).
The main problem with TV cookery is that the medium is looking for people who are good telly performers first and can maybe cook a bit as well. This is why you get relatively untalented cooks like Oliver and Lawson in front of the cameras when genuinely knowledgeable and talented people like Anna del Conte aren't because they fail the screen test. Frankly, we should be grateful that we have any TV material featuring Nigel Slater because it's plain that he's not a telly natural at all and always seems rather uneasy on screen.
Anyway, back on topic. Kerridge seems an amiable enough bloke but the cooking seems very much in the 'cooking for a crowd' mould which hardly anyone actually ever does in real life. Look at the demographics of the population; more people divorced and living on their own, far fewer kids, smaller households - slow-cooking a 3kg shoulder of lamb with 4kg of potatoes is just fantasy stuff for the vast majority of viewers. It's just gastro-porn and it's not even new gastro-porn. Heck, we've seen it so often that I reckon your average bedsit-dweller living on microwaved ready-meals could do it from memory.:p
This show just reminded me why I rarely watch TV cookery shows anymore.
I had to turn Jamie off. I don't care if it's £1.54 a portion - of course it is, when he's cooking for 6+ on his recipes!!! It was the recipe with the whole side of salmon which he says was £10. Yeah. Right. Not to mention his book on cheap meals was £26. Doesn't quite add up.
Chefs are total divas though. I'd almost expect them to be. Their food is an extension of themselves, in most cases of a micheliln chef. It's their art form, how they express themselves. But I was shocked Tom waded into that row, Sat Bains too.
But it takes nothing away from my excitement to see this programme, am thrilled such a likeable character like tom has this show and this book. It's great.
Didn't watch more than the first recipe, red meat cooked with potatoes in dripping.
The guy seams nice, but looks in absolutely awful shape.
Should be illegal for the state broadcaster to show any recipe that is void of vegetables (potatoes and onion do not count).
Whenever I look at him I always think he's going to have a heart attack mid-sentence
I wonder if he has a partner. If so I bet their bed must be made of strong stuff to support his body weight
Can you imagine making love to him? It would be like having a walrus climbing on top of you
Not too sure how to multi quote & respond so am throwing it all in, unhealthily, like most of these new food shows.
Shrike on Floyd - too bloody right. What egomaniac "cook" as I believe Floyd & the Two Fat Ladies used to refer to themselves, even though they had more knowledge than these young upstarts in their gout filled little toes, would act like that now?
Heston, "I'm a chef!" Do you cook food though? "Hmm, yes", so you're a cook then. "No I'm a chef!" Is Damien Hurst a friend of yours? " Err yes." So you are definitely just a cook then. Bye.
Bottom line - decent Ploughman's - that's pub food nirvana for me. Whitebait or Scampie Fries or pork scratchings.
Putz - "The state funded broadcaster" - what country are you in? North Korea? I'm in England, Britain. The BBC is PSB. Viewers pay a licence fee. The government is nothing to do with it.
You are wrong though. You say Kerridge is "50% overweight". I will eat his pants after a shift in the kitchen if that is true. To my eye he looks at least 25 stone plus.
Please twitter him this challenge. But don't get offended if he callls you names....
Seems like a fair deal?
Trsvsis_Bickle
"For me, Nigel Slater is the quintessential cook's cook. He's been writing about food for years in an easy-going, unpretentious style and genuinely inspiring people to try something different without resorting to obscure ingredients."
Yes, great book, Toast, and great cook. My whole Thai soup / curry signature is based on his very simple recipe for prawns.
Lemongrass, garlic, ginger, chilli, lime juice, coriander, coconut milk, stock cubes. Costs about £4 for around 5 litres of soup / sauce.
rumtruffle -"Chefs are total divas though. I'd almost expect them to be."
I do now but it's completely pathetic. Ramsay often abuses people by calling them "big boys" when it's apparent that none of them, apart from Kerridge, literally, are.
You cook food. Everybody has been doing it since the dawn of time. Because people will pay top $ for your overpriced, poncey cheap cuts, doesn't make you a genius.
A show about basic cooking techniques, canny shopping would.
Anyone can make a decent enough attempt if they buy £50 cuts of meat! Overrated!
It was fantastic, the only downside is that the sauce is so powerful in flavour, that you can't really taste the fish, We thought it might work better with pieces of chicken instead.
Enjoyed the show, and we're thinking about paying a visit to Maltby Street market at the weekend.
A couple of tips.
Firstly, if you're going to criticise a programme, it probably helps if you actually watch it. The first recipe was shoulder of lamb with pommes boulangere. There was no dripping; indeed there was no added fat. What you saw him pouring over the lamb was stock.
Secondly, your rather daft assertion that every recipe shown by the BBC (not a 'state broadcaster' but hey ho) should feature vegetables other than onions or potatoes. You obviously missed the shot of the dish of green beans that accompanied the lamb. Which brings me onto my third tip:
If you want to talk about cookery shows, it helps if you understand the basics of how they work. The bits shown on screen are the difficult bits. Any idiot can cook vegetables simply; they don't need a TV chef to show them how to steam a few green beans. I'd be disappointed if a cookery show showed me how to make a cup of instant coffee. If you're an idiot, of course, I could see how you'd be disappointed.
Happy to help.
Yes, doesn't surprise me at all. Kudos to your OH for trying the recipe - I hope you were appropriately grateful.:D
Fish really works with chickpeas in something milder like chana dhal but it's going to struggle against a barrage of flavour like chorizo and spices. BTW, Kerridge's stew probably works really well without any fish at all. Nigel Slater has a great 30-minute recipe that uses chorizo, chickpeas and passata with some onion etc as a 30-minute recipe. I'm trying it tomorrow.:cool:
You're right, but I wouldn't bother with the fish at all now!
Ooh, I might have to look that one up.
Just to clarify, the lamb and potatoes were cooked in stock, not dripping. It was a particularly thick stock which will have been achieved by lengthy reduction.
Strangely enough - I'm feeling very hungry..
If you could pick me up one of the those salt beef/pastrami sandwiches while you're there I'll have the money ready for you
Don't be surprised at Sat Bains replies - read some of the answers he has given to people who question anything about his restaurant on review forums. Plus coming from Nottingham know people who have worked for him - :eek: