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just watched 3 classic episodes, I can see what makes old and new who different
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its the killings.
Loads of people dying.
i have watched
Spearhead From Space (J.Pertwee)
EarthShock (P.Davison)
Tomb Of The CyberMen (P.Troughton)
I cant believe the amount of torture and deaths going on, no wonder I loved the old series so much.
Loads of people dying.
i have watched
Spearhead From Space (J.Pertwee)
EarthShock (P.Davison)
Tomb Of The CyberMen (P.Troughton)
I cant believe the amount of torture and deaths going on, no wonder I loved the old series so much.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvh_jB6c70
I watched Genesis of the daleks this weekend and cringed to imagine it done now. Oh yeah ans there was explanations for things instead "timey wimey"
Actually, that's not true. It always flew around. Even landed on the ocean. And not all stories are concentrated on strong story ideas and absent of cool gimmicks. Three Doctors for example. It doesn't make much sense, but how cool is it that there are Three Doctors together!
Ahem, "Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow"? :rolleyes:
But yeah, that is really annoying.
As a youngster of the late '80s, I didn't even know what the sonic screwdriver was when McCoy suddenly had one in the TV Movie. Luckily it didn't matter much.
Apart from the Doctor and his companions, there's next to no character development for anyone else in the show now. It's hard to care about characters that are here and gone in 45 minutes. There's very few exceptions ('Blink' and 'Vincent and the Doctor' do this well but there aren't really that many in new-Who)
Doesn't make sense? What part didn't make sense? The creator of Gallifreys black hole was trapped in an anti matter universe and thought he'd been abandoned. He attacked the Time Lords who allowed the doctors incarnations to cross time streams and combat Omega. I mean they had the balls to have all incarnations bicker and dislike one another. Bet any amount of money Tennant and Smiths doctor hardly fight if at all
How about Horror Of Fang Rock??
Character development? There was character development in the classic series? When? I saw Nyssa's father killed and his body taken over by the Master and her whole planet destroyed and I think her response was to faint. Tegan's aunt Vanessa was miniaturised by the same dastardly Master and I don't think she was even mentioned again, not even when Tegan met up with various other relatives. Adric was killed and I think Tegan and Nyssa sulked for a bit during Time Flight and then pretty much carried on as normal. Where is this mythical character development that you speak of?
Actually I think Nyssa fainted a little bit later seemingly for being a little bit tired. Aunt Vanessa was seen in a picture in Enlightenment and mentioned in Resurrection of the Daleks. Nyssa mentioned Adric in Terminus, but they are the only times I can think of. Think I'm in 99% agreement with you.
You are right, the classic series didn't focus on the companions as nearly as enough as the new series and they did have less character development.
I think that is balanced by the people who view the new series with rose lensed glasses.
Though I admit my preference of the classic series over the new series is due to memories of being annoyed by the overuse of the sonic screwdriver and writers forgetting that the conclusion is the most important part of the story (people might mention the two doctors episode 1 cliffhanger resolution and reverse the polarity of the neutron flow but from my memory apart from The Sea Devils it was not used as a resolution to the story). Which is frustrating because new who comes up with some very good ideas and I really enjoyed episodes such as Amy's Choice and The Family of Blood 2 parter.
nu who is cgi effects with trite dialogue as linking filler material.
...I don't think we've seen anything that bad on Nu Who yet. Any mass killing is Nu Who is just explosions.
Ah of course, how could I forget Aunt Vanessa's advice to Tegan "If you stop enjoying it, give it up." A philosophy that I have applied to my own career and has subsequently led to some long periods of unemployment. Curse you Aunt Vanessa and your rubbish advice!
I recently listened to the magnificent Big Finish audio Spare Parts and I noticed that Nyssa mentions Adric, her Father and home planet quite frequently. I was quite taken aback at first, Nyssa, talking about stuff that's happened to her? I don't remember her doing that before
Ahh fond memories of seeing a Cyberman throwing up, they don't make em like that anymore
Though this is true to a certain degree, there were exceptions. Peter Davison has mentioned many times that there were more 'interesting' companions during his time and that is true, most of which has already been mentioned. There's also Turlough who had a different sort of intro into the show but once his initial trilogy was over, things went downhill rapidly from thereon in. And even Peri had a little slice it in her last two stories.
And nobody has mentioned Ace, who had quite a lot of storytime turned over to her. Three out of the four stories of Season 26 were centred around her and she probably got more character development than any other Classic Who companion and she didn't just fade after her introduction.
As for the differences between the two, I think the slower pace of the stories does work and make room for overall character development and let the story breathe, but some stories it goes too slow.(The Web Planet for example).
There was certainly a good example of this in Season 22 when the episodes were as long as they are now as the lack of cliffhangers meant the pace could settle at a steady rate.
I always enjoy stories in New Who that are fast paced and have plenty of action but I don't think that could ever have worked in Classic Who as it simply couldn't sustain that pace in a 4 or 6-parter. Likewise I don't think slow paced stories can work week in, week out on New Who, there needs to be a mix. For the first four years we got that but for me personally every week seems like a slow week at the moment.
The classic series did develop their supporting casts much better however. In the new series, there are many stories where the supporting cast are just there. I love a great Doctor Who story no matter what though.
Do n't think so - still enjoy my classic who DVDs but have never been tempted to buy the New-Who.
Look at the Classic Stories that have accompanied the documentaries that Watch have had on.
Classic Who stories were longer and that extra time does allow us to get involved in characters who are necessarily in the series for 6 episodes.
Recent seasons of new who have also been far to self-obsessed - the 50th is a case in point - The Day he has been running away from all his life - get over yourself - it is an hour long tea-time science fiction series.
Nothing wrong with making a point - Doctor Who did it very well even in the classic years - take the Green Death (Environment) as an example.
The biggest problem classic Who writers had was how to get the companions out of the way so they could get on with the story they actually wanted to tell. Characters got introduced with potential and backstory and then no-one could figure out how to weave them into the serial.
As for the conclusion being the more important part of the story - you'll not be surprised to find that I disagree. Although I do like a good ending.
The screwdriver is never the resolution, however - even when it's the catalyst by which a ridiculous, hand-wavey resolution is thrown at us. Unfortunately, that has always been one of the problems with Who, classic or otherwise - throw some science-sounding babble at the plot problem until it goes away.