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Artem's choreography
j4Rose
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Is Artem deliberately going out if his way to create mischief/controversy? He clearly hates being in hold and this has spoiled Natalie's Quickstep, Viennese Waltz and American Smooth. He feels that being in hold inhibits his creative genius apparently; he can't express himself properly without being all floaty and ethereal at every given moment. What rot. I feel like he's just doing it for attention now and Natalie is the one who's paying for it. Enough is enough. It should be about the celebrity, not the pro's considerable ego.
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Of course it helps that she's possibly the best ever celeb dancer on the show but I think he's doing a blinding job with her.
Yes, but what about the basic requirements of the dance? It is not simply all about the choreography.
There's no need to be so defensive or borderline rude, thanks.
It's perfectly possible to choreograph traditional dances that still appeal to the public, as has been shown time and again on Strictly. Many of Artem's Ballroom dances have been more Freestyle than anything else, which is a huge cop out.
You're correct it's not. Artem has kept her in even though she's possibly not that popular. I do agree he is not fulfilling the requirements of most dances, however he is making the dances wonderful and he is not being penalised by the judges. If the judges want dancers to stick to American smooth foxtrot or Vienesse waltz then the should penalise them heavily and make professionals aware that's what's going to happen.
Personally I don't think it's a cop out or anything to do with Artem's ego, as he said himself he wants to tell a story, which he is amazing at. Again personally, I miss the traditional style, lots of us watching are not dancers ourselves, or have any connection to the world of dancing, we just like to watch. Len has intimated to Artem (and others) on more than one occasion that he will always mark down if there is not enough of the dance in hold, have to admit I do smile when he gives a 7 or an 8 and Bruno follows up with a Ten ...
The judges can see what's blatantly obvious that they're shed and holders above all the rest but I'm addressing the point of the thread which is Artem's choreography.
And if a couple is producing quality dance after quality dance I figure there can't be too much wrong with it.
Oh I agree that the judges should be more strict in their marking, but that still does not excuse what Artem does. And it doesn't help when the audience boo just because one judge does apply those stricter rules.
Otherwise, we end up with a succession of American Smooths "in the style of ..." or a plethora of showdances where the dance theme is barely discernible.
For contemporary routines maybe but some of his ballroom dances are unrecognisable.
His "Vienese Waltz" was a prime example.
Each Ballroom dance has its own distinct characteristics, and someone that knows what they are looking for, could tell the dance with the sound muted, ie difference between Waltz and Fox, by different body flight etc. With Artems choreo, aside from Tango which has different stance and hold, it would be hard to tell the dances apart, except for Qs .
Len did score them an 8 tonight ... then that fool on the end gave a 10 :mad:
I'd say it's easier to dance in hold and cover up mistakes with balance etc, then dancing a perfect freestyle dance and show just how amazingly good you are.
She was perfect. Period. Her arms alone were worth 4 10s.
Both but were also judging an AS not a freestyle dance.
I agree. They should be judging the celebrity, but how can they judge an AS that has practically no time in hold? I think Artem is letting Natalie down, as her Ballroom dances could be both traditional and stunning.
Artem's 'dances' may appeal to a section of the public but those who want to see a proper ballroom dance will not be impressed. Storytelling is only one factor. the judges decide by the week which factor - technicality, performance, storytelling etc. - they are going to put first. Last night it was performance (their most preferred factor). hence Abby got 40 for a salsa that was only a salsa for a few bars of music.
He seems to prefer to waft & faff rather than do proper dances.
Last night Sophie's VW was packed with with proper steps & turns & was fantastic.
Save the showdances for the final & they will have far more impact.
Perfect scores usually end up as a millstone and a hindrance as far as the public are concerned. Whilst the fans may be happy their favourite scored a full house, it rallies the anti vote.
Lol so true - last week it was technicality.
Someone pointed out in another thread - no-one who has scored 40 before the final has gone on to win :eek:
Plus for Natalie a perfect score would never be accepted by her detractors. So having something to pick holes in is very useful.