what about channel swapping for the kids channels? that should be happening?
On BBCB we've seen the Video & MHEG slate[1] switch from 73 to 105 and back from 6:58pm yesterday. On COM7 there's only audio and video for AlJazHD - no sign of any BBC streams yet, just the shared MHEG slate- so nothing to switch.
The EPG info appeared yesterday- and was reported yesterday. These forums are very echoey today!
On BBCB we've seen the Video & MHEG slate[1] switch from 73 to 105 and back from 6:58pm yesterday. On COM7 there's only audio and video for AlJazHD - no sign of any BBC streams yet, just the shared MHEG slate- so nothing to switch.
The EPG info appeared yesterday- and was reported yesterday. These forums are very echoey today!
[1] I think I finally got the expression right!
thats not what I mean Im talking about the SD/HD channel swap of the BBC kids channels in SD with the HD simulcasts its supposed to happen?
The decision not to allow substitution more widely is reached notwithstanding the general arguments in favour of substitution in the longer term, and so we expect to revisit this matter at the future review of the HD genre described in section 3.5, taking into account any lessons learned from use of substitution in the Children’s and Adult genres.
Im sure I read that the kids channels would be allowed to swap as they were going in the kids section of the EPG and the same with any adult channels that launch in HD (thats if they launch in HD as I dont think they would pay for them to be HD!)
Im sure I read that the kids channels would be allowed to swap as they were going in the kids section of the EPG
That's what I thought too, but the policy seems a bit incoherent, and optional. If they are doing the swaps, I guess we won't find out until they launch.
So I will not get BBC Four HD, Cbeebies HD, BBC News HD & Al Jazeera English HD?????
According to the BBC Press Release planned coverage will expand. I would imagine it will be added to that relay before too long. It's not a "Freeview Light" transmitter, so it's a veritable certainty.
Details are remarkably sparse about this launch, for some reason.
According to the BBC Press Release planned coverage will expand. I would imagine it will be added to that relay before too long. It's not a "Freeview Light" transmitter, so it's a veritable certainty.
Details are remarkably sparse about this launch, for some reason.
I think the expansion is just the remainder of the 30 sites that aren't on air on 10th December.
It is most likely that there will be no more sites enabled unless, of course, Ofcom decides that the 700MHz band will be retained for broadcasting (meaning the 600MHz band wouldn't be needed for the existing services).
Well it looks like the Crystal Palace signal isn't going to change before launch (it's been the same for weeks now). Bit disappointing that I won't get the new muxes but at least I have 3 DVB-S2 tuners so I'll be fine.
I think the expansion is just the remainder of the 30 sites that aren't on air on 10th December.
It is most likely that there will be no more sites enabled unless, of course, Ofcom decides that the 700MHz band will be retained for broadcasting (meaning the 600MHz band wouldn't be needed for the existing services).
I don't agree. I believe it's more likely that they're eventually planning to update all the Full Freeview transmitters that already have COM 4-6. If you have a look at this release; http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbchdchannels.html
"BBC News HD, BBC Four HD and CBeebies HD will use new HD capacity, which will cover part of the UK and grow in coverage over time."
It's pretty unequivocal.
I think there's low to zero chance that transmitters covering upwards of a hundred thousand people won't eventually be included. Bear in mind the COM 4-6 operators originally thought that these transmitters were cost effective enough to update to full Freeview.
Only two relays, (which are part of the 30 'golden' sites) Fenham in Newcastle, and Fenton in Stoke-on-Trent
That's just part of the two stage roll out. Before recently there was alsos no information about this either. This particular rollout is being handled as if it's some sort of "wait and see" secret.
Yes, but take a good look at the Ofcom and Arqiva documents that have been discussed and linked to in multiple threads.
That would be the OFCOM and Arquiva documents that have all the wrong dates and power levels right, that have so far been nothing but misleading? They're a picture of accuracy(!)
Regardless, none of the documentation says that they're only be updating those transmitters in the list. It's far more likely that this is a staged rollout, and we're just looking at the initial part.
Bear in mind the COM 4-6 operators originally thought that these transmitters were cost effective enough to update to full Freeview.
They weren't "updated" to full Freeview - they were the original transmitters that onDigital put into service. When the rest were switched on, precisely zero extra transmitters were brought on-line with the COM muxes.
It is possible that extra transmitters might be switched on for COM7/8, but it's unlikely to be until there's some certainty about the length of time the 600MHz spectrum will be available for.
It is possible that extra transmitters might be switched on for COM7/8, but it's unlikely to be until there's some certainty about the length of time the 600MHz spectrum will be available for.
But the public PSB are looking for com7/8 to cease when the 700 MHz band is sold and all DTT moves to 600 MHz band. As they can stop double illumination...
And Arqiva are keen fir the to happen as they will have more bits /sec to sell.
According to the BBC Press Release planned coverage will expand. I would imagine it will be added to that relay before too long. It's not a "Freeview Light" transmitter, so it's a veritable certainty.
Details are remarkably sparse about this launch, for some reason.
A lot of information has been published by Ofcom including a full consultation and the license granted to Arqiva for COM7/8 at 30 sites.
The current project will expand to the 30 sites listed by next summer and no more.
If the restricted set of 2 x 3 UHF frequencies shall form 2 muxes in MFN mode, several important TX sites cannot be included - the 30 sites cannot even operate at full ERP. The use of SFN technology is a must in several areas of the UK for all 80 TX sites to be part of COM7 and COM8.
.... It is possible that extra transmitters might be switched on for COM7/8, but it's unlikely to be until there's some certainty about the length of time the 600MHz spectrum will be available for.
And it will - at important central and SE TX sites - not be possible to allocate two UHF channels within the range 31-35+37.
Comments
On BBCB we've seen the Video & MHEG slate[1] switch from 73 to 105 and back from 6:58pm yesterday. On COM7 there's only audio and video for AlJazHD - no sign of any BBC streams yet, just the shared MHEG slate- so nothing to switch.
The EPG info appeared yesterday- and was reported yesterday. These forums are very echoey today!
[1] I think I finally got the expression right!
are you the forum police?
thats not what I mean Im talking about the SD/HD channel swap of the BBC kids channels in SD with the HD simulcasts its supposed to happen?
I think kasg got to the reverb settings just before me!
Oh I guess some people here are just fed up of reading the same thing all day!
Ah, sorry, misunderstood. I don't think that sort of channel swap is planned for Freeview. See Digital UK's statement here: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/86813/Digital_UK_HD_Statement_FINAL_070813.pdf p12 -
Im sure I read that the kids channels would be allowed to swap as they were going in the kids section of the EPG and the same with any adult channels that launch in HD (thats if they launch in HD as I dont think they would pay for them to be HD!)
That's what I thought too, but the policy seems a bit incoherent, and optional. If they are doing the swaps, I guess we won't find out until they launch.
According to the BBC Press Release planned coverage will expand. I would imagine it will be added to that relay before too long. It's not a "Freeview Light" transmitter, so it's a veritable certainty.
Details are remarkably sparse about this launch, for some reason.
Yes, it will expand from the 10 sites that will be active by the end of this year, to 20 more sites before Summer 2014, and that's it I'm afraid
Only two relays, (which are part of the 30 'golden' sites) Fenham in Newcastle, and Fenton in Stoke-on-Trent
No it's not !!!
Yes, but take a good look at the Ofcom and Arqiva documents that have been discussed and linked to in multiple threads.
Probably due to snow blindness and inability to read the fonts after the re-vamp!
I think the expansion is just the remainder of the 30 sites that aren't on air on 10th December.
It is most likely that there will be no more sites enabled unless, of course, Ofcom decides that the 700MHz band will be retained for broadcasting (meaning the 600MHz band wouldn't be needed for the existing services).
I don't agree. I believe it's more likely that they're eventually planning to update all the Full Freeview transmitters that already have COM 4-6. If you have a look at this release;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbchdchannels.html
"BBC News HD, BBC Four HD and CBeebies HD will use new HD capacity, which will cover part of the UK and grow in coverage over time."
It's pretty unequivocal.
I think there's low to zero chance that transmitters covering upwards of a hundred thousand people won't eventually be included. Bear in mind the COM 4-6 operators originally thought that these transmitters were cost effective enough to update to full Freeview.
That's just part of the two stage roll out. Before recently there was alsos no information about this either. This particular rollout is being handled as if it's some sort of "wait and see" secret. With respect, you can't possibly know that.
That would be the OFCOM and Arquiva documents that have all the wrong dates and power levels right, that have so far been nothing but misleading? They're a picture of accuracy(!)
Regardless, none of the documentation says that they're only be updating those transmitters in the list. It's far more likely that this is a staged rollout, and we're just looking at the initial part.
They weren't "updated" to full Freeview - they were the original transmitters that onDigital put into service. When the rest were switched on, precisely zero extra transmitters were brought on-line with the COM muxes.
It is possible that extra transmitters might be switched on for COM7/8, but it's unlikely to be until there's some certainty about the length of time the 600MHz spectrum will be available for.
But the public PSB are looking for com7/8 to cease when the 700 MHz band is sold and all DTT moves to 600 MHz band. As they can stop double illumination...
And Arqiva are keen fir the to happen as they will have more bits /sec to sell.
A lot of information has been published by Ofcom including a full consultation and the license granted to Arqiva for COM7/8 at 30 sites.
The current project will expand to the 30 sites listed by next summer and no more.
If the restricted set of 2 x 3 UHF frequencies shall form 2 muxes in MFN mode, several important TX sites cannot be included - the 30 sites cannot even operate at full ERP. The use of SFN technology is a must in several areas of the UK for all 80 TX sites to be part of COM7 and COM8.
And it will - at important central and SE TX sites - not be possible to allocate two UHF channels within the range 31-35+37.
Lars
Now caption showing logos for 5 BBC channels. Must be a barker loop
https://app.box.com/s/shboih9g7rq3q39um4d0
edit: ...and just as I post that, it has vanished.
2nd edit: this was from Winter Hill, I didn't check against CBBC on 70.