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Misogynistic Criminal Russian Pornstar On YouTube!

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His name is Vitaly and he's managed to top my 'Most Hated List' in a day.

I was watching random pranks on YouTube and now I am beyond depressed. Just watch these -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iyeUcFKRv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve46peMWU5w

First of all he was a pornstar. I can't link the video but it is easily found on Google. Then he was convicted! Now he makes pranks on the expense of women and has more than 4 million subscribers and 30 million views on a single video titled 'Gold Digger'

About his videos, all his pranks are carried out on women and almost all (definitely the 'Gold Digger' & 'Rich VS Poor) pranks are clearly fake. He makes those videos with female pornstars and treats them just like men treat women in porn.

What I'm most outraged about is the reaction to his videos!People actually believe it! On top of the amount of views and subscribers the comments on his videos are really heinous. Eg -

- BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA GET? OWNEDDD BITCHHHHHH!!!!!!!

- ****in **** open her legs only for? fancy cars !

- yeah, moddafukka VITALY, you show dem bitches? some class

- (my favourite) All women are innately gold diggers!

To the feminist hating posters on this forum, this is the state where society stands today and in the 'modern developed world' whose youngsters have access to the Internet! My final views on this is what I already know -

- Most people are stupid.

- Majority of those stupid men are misogynists.

- Most stupid misogynist men when they say 'all women' forget their mothers, sisters and daughters are also women.

And talking about female relatives (I was really wondering how the women of his family were) look how positively inspiring his mother is -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90twWY4PWhQ

Gotta come from somewhere! And Roman Atwood jumping on to gain more views for himself.

Finally, who is paying him to make these videos? Whose Lamborghini is he riding? Who is promoting his videos on YouTube? Probably the same type of people that promote the likes of Kim K and Miley Cyrus.

Anyway I just had to rant to get some peace of mind. I know his channel will keep on growing and many will rather go and subscribe to his channel than agreeing to see the misogyny. Now fire away :(
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 145
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    For those who don't want to read my crazy rant -

    http://skepchick.org/2013/10/in-defense-of-the-gold-digger/

    This article is giving me life!
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    Time EraserTime Eraser Posts: 372
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    His recent video is pranking male predators, so he must be misandrist, too?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 229
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    It doesn't seem that bad to me. And I don't know what him previously being in porn has to do with it.
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    rupert_pupkinrupert_pupkin Posts: 3,975
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    Vitaly is a funny guy

    And I believe he was in one Bangbus episode as an 'ordinary guy off the street' and looked pretty uncomfortable in it (he might have even flopped, I don't remember) so it's a bit generous calling him a former pornstar
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 358
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    I haven't watched these videos, nor will I watch and I suspect if they're misogynistic I would hate them anyway, however, as you brought feminism into this post:

    " A collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights FOR WOMEN."

    Since when has a conflict of interests involving two or more parties ever been solved by focusing on the problems of just one party?
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    Sargeant80Sargeant80 Posts: 1,413
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    Hi Vitaly how are you today.

    On the off chance you are not Vitaly, I'm sure he will be happy that you promoted his channel.
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    ishinaishina Posts: 4,255
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    Vanderlyle wrote: »
    I haven't watched these videos, nor will I watch and I suspect if they're misogynistic I would hate them anyway, however, as you brought feminism into this post:

    " A collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights FOR WOMEN."

    Since when has a conflict of interests involving two or more parties ever been solved by focusing on the problems of just one party?
    Since one party is disfranchised and the other is privileged.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 358
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    ishina wrote: »
    Since one party is disfranchised and the other is privileged.

    No, sorry, for one in this case I definitely do not believe women are disenfranchised and secondly it should read "FOR MEN AND WOMEN" if it is about equality! Again I state: To solve a conflict of interests involving two or more parties then the focus needs to be on the interests of all involved parties, not just one.

    "A collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights FOR WHITE BRITISH"

    Anything wrong with that movement? Other than it is pretty much the stated goals of British Movement, National Front, BNP, etc, etc?
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    ishinaishina Posts: 4,255
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    Vanderlyle wrote: »
    No, sorry, for one in this case I definitely do not believe women are disenfranchised and secondly it should read "FOR MEN AND WOMEN" if it is about equality! Again I state: To solve a conflict of interests involving two or more parties then the focus needs to be on the interests of all involved parties, not just one.

    "A collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights FOR WHITE BRITISH"

    Anything wrong with that movement? Other than it is pretty much the stated goals of British Movement, National Front, BNP, etc, etc?
    The operative word is "equal", which in the context of your earlier quote would mean equal rights for women (equal to men). Implied in the word "equal" is the corresponding quantity: men. Presumably the author thought that the reader would be bright enough to understand that it meant equal rights for women and men. It's unlikely that the author meant equal rights for women and aliens, or women and vegetarians, or women and unicorns, or women and women.

    In the context of your second example, what does equal imply? Equal rights for white British people... equal to what or whom? Equal to non-whites? It doesn't make sense in the context of a National Front/BNP campaign, since it's unimaginable that such organisations were formed to establish equal rights for whites and non-whites. We already know that that's not their stated goal. It would actually be lovely if that was their goal.
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    HotelierHotelier Posts: 13,100
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    So now OP, you have given this guy extra publicity.
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    plateletplatelet Posts: 26,400
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    My final views on this...

    and five minutes later ...
    For those who don't want to read my crazy rant

    :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 109
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    I can't stand the guy, but he's had over 100 million views on his videos in just 5 months, which equates to quite a nice amount of ad revenue, so good luck to him.
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    ACUACU Posts: 9,104
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    OP - Instead of promoting the guy, why not just do the dishes or get the dinner started early? Its much more constructive, and you get yourself worked up. :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 358
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    ishina wrote: »
    The operative word is "equal", which in the context of your earlier quote would mean equal rights for women (equal to men). Implied in the word "equal" is the corresponding quantity: men. Presumably the author thought that the reader would be bright enough to understand that it meant equal rights for women and men. It's unlikely that the author meant equal rights for women and aliens, or women and vegetarians, or women and unicorns, or women and women.

    In the context of your second example, what does equal imply? Equal rights for white British people... equal to what or whom? Equal to non-whites? It doesn't make sense in the context of a National Front/BNP campaign, since it's unimaginable that such organisations were formed to establish equal rights for whites and non-whites. We already know that that's not their stated goal. It would actually be lovely if that was their goal.

    But as I said I do not believe that women are disenfranchised to begin with and again feminism is not about equality, it is about women's rights, there is a distinction. By definition feminism does not seek to diminish discrimination against any group other than women, feminism has no interest in "MEN AND WOMEN" or women and unicorns. A definition is a definition.
    Am I missing all the feminist groups that are campaigning equally for men's rights, perhaps?

    Again I will say it: Since when has a conflict of interests involving two or more parties ever been solved by focusing on the problems of just one party? Would the middle east situation ever be solved if only the interests of Israel were focussed on?

    As for my second example I could change it to "FOR BLACKS" or "FOR JEHOVAS WITNESSES", it makes zero difference and you know it, the point is that it does not strive for equality as by definition it shows bias towards one party.

    By the way I completely agree with you about what BNP wanted to establish, politically they spoke about equality though, much the same as current right wing thinking blurs the lines on current immigration trends by implying "native British" have lesser rights to benefits, social housing, etc. and therefore are less equal.
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    PalafrugelPalafrugel Posts: 2,219
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    He is a very funny guy. Glad he brings joy and laughter to so many. I am confused as to why he is misogynistic though. He attacks anyone and everyone.

    Also not sure why he is a criminal either? He got arrested once for a prank that went wrong. Hardly a criminal...

    I think the thread starter secretly fancies him.. too much passion..
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    ishinaishina Posts: 4,255
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    Vanderlyle wrote: »
    Am I missing all the feminist groups that are campaigning equally for men's rights, perhaps?
    I think what you're missing is the fundamental meaning of equal rights, in that a campaign for equal rights for women means, implicitly, that it is a campaign for equal rights for men also. "Equal" is a word referring to a dynamic between at least two things. In this case, women and men. In order for there to be equality for one, there must also be equality for the other. Establishing equal rights for women is, by extension, establishing equal rights for men. That's literally the meaning of it. Do you follow so far?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 358
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    ishina wrote: »
    I think what you're missing is the fundamental meaning of equal rights, in that a campaign for equal rights for women means, implicitly, that it is a campaign for equal rights for men also. "Equal" is a word referring to a dynamic between at least two things. In this case, women and men. In order for there to be equality for one, there must also be equality for the other. Establishing equal rights for women is, by extension, establishing equal rights for men. That's literally the meaning of it. Do you follow so far?

    You know very well i understand what you are saying and you fail to address most of my points, the last line though, resorting to sarcasm, poor form, usually a sign of a lost debate. Anyway you're not going to change my opinion and you are not going to admit that my opinion is correct and feminism seeks to establish "equality plus" as is always the case when only one parties issues are focussed on. So I shall agree we disagree.
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    ishinaishina Posts: 4,255
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    You say 'points' plural. But you only seem to have a single point, that feminism does not seek to eradicate inequality for anyone other than women. It's a crude and simple-minded take on things, but sorta correct. Feminism is indeed mainly concerned with rights for women. But you don't seem to understand that by establishing equality for women, equality for men follows logically by extension. Establishing equality for women is establishing equality for both genders.

    The reason why the movement is called feminism and why the focus is on gains for women rather than men is because it has historically been women that are the disfranchised of the two. Now, you can claim that women are no longer disfranchised (and I'd be interested in how you've drawn that conclusion, since it does not correspond with reality as I know it), but you cannot deny that historically women have been the disfranchised party.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 358
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    ishina wrote: »
    You say 'points' plural. But you only seem to have a single point, that feminism does not seek to eradicate inequality for anyone other than women. It's a crude and simple-minded take on things, but sorta correct. Feminism is indeed mainly concerned with rights for women. But you don't seem to understand that by establishing equality for women, equality for men follows logically by extension. Establishing equality for women is establishing equality for both genders.

    The reason why the movement is called feminism and why the focus is on gains for women rather than men is because it has historically been women that are the disfranchised of the two. Now, you can claim that women are no longer disfranchised (and I'd be interested in how you've drawn that conclusion, since it does not correspond with reality as I know it), but you cannot deny that historically women have been the disfranchised party.

    Starting from the end: Of course I agree that historically women have been the disfranchised party!
    I have drawn that conclusion as it corresponds with reality as I know it, so interesting that we have polar opposite experience, in fact I would say in some aspects women have achieved "equality plus". I am talking of situations like parentage rights in the event of divorce, of large corporations with their female heavy HR departments and diversity policies which in reality create a reverse discrimination situation, which is equally as bad as the discrimination they intend to eradicate, job adverts where "applications from xyz are particularly welcomed" to me are highly discriminatory. As I see it most feminist groups today seek superiority rather than equality.

    As I asked you before: Do you honestly believe the situation in the middle east could be resolved if only the interests of Israel were taken into account? No, of course not, it would end up with a situation where the rights of one party are diminished and the other party is more than equal. That is my main point, focus on the interests of one party is never the way forward.

    Anyway one good thing, I think we both have the same core belief which is equality for all, we just disagree on the ways and means to achieve that and I am certainly not saying I have all the answers or even that I have better answers.
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    VoynichVoynich Posts: 14,481
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    Sexist? Youtube commentators are usually so polite and fair.
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    PalafrugelPalafrugel Posts: 2,219
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    Vanderlyle wrote: »
    Starting from the end: Of course I agree that historically women have been the disfranchised party!
    I have drawn that conclusion as it corresponds with reality as I know it, so interesting that we have polar opposite experience, in fact I would say in some aspects women have achieved "equality plus". I am talking of situations like parentage rights in the event of divorce, of large corporations with their female heavy HR departments and diversity policies which in reality create a reverse discrimination situation, which is equally as bad as the discrimination they intend to eradicate, job adverts where "applications from xyz are particularly welcomed" to me are highly discriminatory. As I see it most feminist groups today seek superiority rather than equality.

    As I asked you before: Do you honestly believe the situation in the middle east could be resolved if only the interests of Israel were taken into account? No, of course not, it would end up with a situation where the rights of one party are diminished and the other party is more than equal. That is my main point, focus on the interests of one party is never the way forward.

    Anyway one good thing, I think we both have the same core belief which is equality for all, we just disagree on the ways and means to achieve that and I am certainly not saying I have all the answers or even that I have better answers.

    I agree completely. May I ask however. Who protects men's interests? Where is our group to make sure we get a fair and equal treatment in all matters? What is the opposite to a feminist? What is the opposite to a misogynist?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    Thank God he switched to making these videos. He was rubbish in porn. Erm, so I heard. :blush:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 145
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    Vanderlyle wrote: »
    As I see it most feminist groups today seek superiority rather than equality.

    Which feminist groups?
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    I think OP secretly fancies the pants off this guy.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    First of all he was a pornstar. I can't link the video but it is easily found on Google. Then he was convicted! Now he makes pranks on the expense of women and has more than 4 million subscribers and 30 million views on a single video titled 'Gold Digger'

    About his videos, all his pranks are carried out on women and almost all (definitely the 'Gold Digger' & 'Rich VS Poor) pranks are clearly fake. He makes those videos with female pornstars and treats them just like men treat women in porn.

    - (my favourite) All women are innately gold diggers!

    To the feminist hating posters on this forum, this is the state where society stands today and in the 'modern developed world' whose youngsters have access to the Internet! My final views on this is what I already know -

    - Most people are stupid.

    - Majority of those stupid men are misogynists.

    - Most stupid misogynist men when they say 'all women' forget their mothers, sisters and daughters are also women.

    And talking about female relatives (I was really wondering how the women of his family were) look how positively inspiring his mother is -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90twWY4PWhQ

    Gotta come from somewhere! And Roman Atwood jumping on to gain more views for himself.

    Anyway I just had to rant to get some peace of mind. I know his channel will keep on growing and many will rather go and subscribe to his channel than agreeing to see the misogyny. Now fire away :(

    Various <snips> above.

    It's difficult to take that post seriously, it's just troll bait.

    If you think the porn industry is run only by men then think again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Jameson
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tera_Patrick
    Zsanett Egerhazi
    etc.

    And how does male on male and female on female porn fit into all of this.

    Women porn stars in general get paid a lot more than male performers. They are not stupid and there is a lot of money to be made if you are good at the job.
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