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Why does the Orange Lodge have twice the SNP membership?

onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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It's curious that the Orange order a dedicated unionist group in Scotland has 50 thousand members, while the. SNP has only 25 thousand members.
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    getzlsgetzls Posts: 4,007
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    It's curious that the Orange order a dedicated unionist group in Scotland has 50 thousand members, while the. SNP has only 25 thousand members.

    Are you sure of those figures?

    Without doing Google I would doubt its anywhere near 50,000
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    barky99barky99 Posts: 3,921
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    getzls wrote: »
    Are you sure of those figures?

    Without doing Google I would doubt its anywhere near 50,000
    doubt it as well, orange order numbers are in decline & likely many 1000's less than some claim & they aren't a political force with any power .... whereas SNP member numbers are largest of any political party in Scotland

    can trace 50000 claim to a Scotsman article from 2009 which wikipedia uses as a source for orange order member numbers
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    jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    the OO is WORLDWIDE and been going longer than the SNP
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    It's the same reason why membership of Conservative Clubs is more than that of the Conservative Party - cheap alcohol
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    It's curious that the Orange order a dedicated unionist group in Scotland has 50 thousand members, while the. SNP has only 25 thousand members.

    Perhaps you should read up on the Orange Order ?
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    onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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    Auld Snody wrote: »
    Perhaps you should read up on the Orange Order ?

    interesting that the orange order still have street parades. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orange_Lodge_of_Scotland
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    getzlsgetzls Posts: 4,007
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    interesting that the orange order still have street parades. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orange_Lodge_of_Scotland

    At least its not at their members funerals now

    Over 300 were murdered by the IRA during the troubles.
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    VoynichVoynich Posts: 14,481
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    The lodge seems to me more obsessed with Catholic/Protestant sectarianism than "Better together".
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    It's curious that the Orange order a dedicated unionist group in Scotland has 50 thousand members, while the. SNP has only 25 thousand members.

    Because sectarianism is sadly rife in the central belt while the SNP has traditionally taken its support from the North and East of Scotland where people are generally more relaxed about life, religion and politics.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    getzls wrote: »
    At least its not at their members funerals now

    Over 300 were murdered by the IRA during the troubles.

    How many catholics and Irish republic citizens were murdered by groups related to the Unionists? A lot more than the IRA murdered that's how many.
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    interesting that the orange order still have street parades. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Orange_Lodge_of_Scotland

    So, they have them all over the world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order
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    HammyHammy Posts: 4,837
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    It's curious that the Orange order a dedicated unionist group in Scotland has 50 thousand members, while the. SNP has only 25 thousand members.

    Aye, very dedicated too preseving the union, at all costs by the looks of it.

    http://www.mail-archive.com/kominform@lists.eunet.fi/msg08181.html
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    getzlsgetzls Posts: 4,007
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    How many catholics and Irish republic citizens were murdered by groups related to the Unionists? A lot more than the IRA murdered that's how many.

    What has that got to do with anything?

    And the IRA Killed the most people during the troubles
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    onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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    Interesting to note that the Orange parades in Glasgow attract twenty thousand members.http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23203376
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    How many catholics and Irish republic citizens were murdered by groups related to the Unionists? A lot more than the IRA murdered that's how many.

    Republican paramilitary groups 2057
    Loyalist paramilitary groups 1019
    British security forces 363
    Persons unknown 82
    Irish security forces 5
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    It's curious that the Orange order a dedicated unionist group in Scotland has 50 thousand members, while the. SNP has only 25 thousand members.

    The conservatives have 11 thousand members in Scotland, less than a quarter of the Oranges
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    onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
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    The conservatives have 11 thousand members in Scotland, less than a quarter of the Oranges

    I am surprised the Tories have that many members! so the orange order has a higher membership than the main political parties.
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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    SNP is a political party, the Orange represents a people in the UK. Big difference.
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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    The conservatives have 11 thousand members in Scotland, less than a quarter of the Oranges
    Why is it any surprise?
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    Auld SnodyAuld Snody Posts: 15,171
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    I am surprised the Tories have that many members! so the orange order has a higher membership than the main political parties.

    I-am surprised as to where you think you are going with this?
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    anndra_wanndra_w Posts: 6,557
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    onecitizen wrote: »
    I am surprised the Tories have that many members! so the orange order has a higher membership than the main political parties.

    I struggle to believe there are so many members of the Orange Order when there are so few Tories. Any Orange people I've encountered hate Labour and the SNP. Members of the Orange Order are known for also being Tory supporters . . . shamelessly. ;-)
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    getzls wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything?

    And the IRA Killed the most people during the troubles

    ...and the Loyalists were the first ones to start the killings. There is so much more to the story than has ever been reported in the British Media.

    Do some reading.
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    Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    ...and the Loyalists were the first ones to start the killings. There is so much more to the story than has ever been reported in the British Media.

    Do some reading.
    Excuses. PIRA tried to bomb people into a United Ireland.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    Sun Tzu. wrote: »
    Excuses. PIRA tried to bomb people into a United Ireland.

    Loyalists tried to bomb the catholic community into accepting defacto apartheid on British soil. It was loyalist paramilitaries who shed the first blood killing an elderly woman (protestant no less) when they firebombed the mainly catholic pub she lived next door to. It was protestant leaders who refused to share power with catholic leaders in the 1970s, bringing the province to a complete standstill with a general strike, thus forcing the closure of Stormont until the Good Friday agreement.

    The were also the first ones to shed blood outside NI. The bombings on civilian targets in Dublin remain the single worst atrocities of the entire period. The death toll in just one day exceeded even the Omagh bombing.
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    getzlsgetzls Posts: 4,007
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    Loyalists tried to bomb the catholic community into accepting defacto apartheid on British soil. It was loyalist paramilitaries who shed the first blood killing an elderly woman (protestant no less) when they firebombed the mainly catholic pub she lived next door to. It was protestant leaders who refused to share power with catholic leaders in the 1970s, bringing the province to a complete standstill with a general strike, thus forcing the closure of Stormont until the Good Friday agreement.

    The were also the first ones to shed blood outside NI. The bombings on civilian targets in Dublin remain the single worst atrocities of the entire period. The death toll in just one day exceeded even the Omagh bombing.

    Ah! The first murder of the present Troubles.

    Read up you say? I lived it.





    How about the last murder, how do you feel about that?

    Maybe it sits easy with you seeing it was done by the IRA
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