Did I miss the instruction somewhere that we cannot say we don't enjoy watching our team any more?
I make no apology for saying it. We play pedestrian, clueless football that I could coach a team to play against. The only other manager that I can recall in my time, who played such dross was Dave Sexton and he paid for it.
I support my team because of their reputation for playing the right way, win or LOSE and have seen plenty of losses. I can bear losing but not humiliating gutless capitulation which is what is being served up at the moment.
I will go on saying so until it changes.
No. If you find it, show us where anyone has said it.
Don't get me wrong, it was crap tonight. It's been crap for large parts of this season, no-one bar the deluded will argue about that. My point was that I find it a little strange that it's even more downbeat and vitriolic in here tonight for the 1st leg of a 2 leg tie than it has for any of our other defeats, and that some of the comments (not from you) have been downright embarrassing.
Did I miss the instruction somewhere that we cannot say we don't enjoy watching our team any more?
I make no apology for saying it. We play pedestrian, clueless football that I could coach a team to play against. The only other manager that I can recall in my time, who played such dross was Dave Sexton and he paid for it.
I support my team because of their reputation for playing the right way, win or LOSE and have seen plenty of losses. I can bear losing but not humiliating gutless capitulation which is what is being served up at the moment.
I will go on saying so until it changes.
I would say with 100% of certainty that none of it was aimed in your direction TBH
Then explain what you think that Moyes did wrong, rather than just giving it the 'Moyes is rubbish' spiel.
Mate, this wasn't necessarily aimed at you, I just get ground down by the baseless, uninformed crap that gets spouted every time that we lose.
I've said what I think he's doing wrong, as have others on here. If you want debate, then give me your opinion of what he's getting wrong.
Lack of passion as shown tonight
Predictable in every match
Bad interviews and press conferences
The whole summer although that just wasn't him
Seemingly unable to motivate a group of players who only half a year ago were winning a record 20th title
Crap tactics against no disrespect lower teams
Now starting to blame referees for no reason
Bizarre substitutions
I'd give my right nut if I was proved otherwise but the man and his back room staff aren't up to it, 6 months down the line we've actually become worse not better under him
No. If you find it, show us where anyone has said it.
Don't get me wrong, it was crap tonight. It's been crap for large parts of this season, no-one bar the deluded will argue about that. My point was that I find it a little strange that it's even more downbeat and vitriolic in here tonight for the 1st leg of a 2 leg tie than it has for any of our other defeats, and that some of the comments (not from you) have been downright embarrassing.
A team that thanks to the manager and their reputation achieved more than the sum of its parts last season domestically is now a team that without their two strikers are only a top 6 team on paper..
It was the same at Liverpool in the two seasons before Torres left, an average squad reliant on him and Gerrard until they rebuilt completely...
Man Utd and the fans have to accept now that you need to rebuild completely. You don't have the aura and swagger anymore and teams know that you are vulnerable so will now play to win, whereas previously, many teams would sit back and therefore a man Utd win or a draw were the only likely results, especially at OT.
I feel sorry for moyes and he is out of his depth but anyone would be. Mourinho would not have been in this position as his force of will would have ensured that he would have spent 80 million last summer, but with this squad, he would not have you playing exciting football and I don't think you would be in the top three.
Can't type more as tablets are annoying but I have further views and I'm sure you are all waiting with baited breath!
Lack of passion as shown tonight
Predictable in every match
Bad interviews and press conferences
The whole summer although that just wasn't him
Seemingly unable to motivate a group of players who only half a year ago were winning a record 20th title
Crap tactics against no disrespect lower teams
Now starting to blame referees for no reason
Bizarre substitutions
I'd give my right nut if I was proved otherwise but the man and his back room staff aren't up for it, 6 months down the line we've actually become worse not better under him
Now that's what I'm talking about. For what it's worth:
I agree, we are too predictable, but I think that we have been for a couple of years.
Totally agree about the interviews.
The summer was a farce, but as you say, I blame others more than him.
He can only do so much, motivationally. In a sense this was bound to happen, regardless of who came in. They'll all look at him and think 'you're not the gaffer'. It's like a kid with a new step-dad.
His recent complaints about the refs have had some justification, for me. And Ferguson wasn't slow to blame a ref.
Personally, I can't say that I've found his substitutions 'bizarre'.
Lack of passion as shown tonight
Predictable in every match
Bad interviews and press conferences
The whole summer although that just wasn't him
Seemingly unable to motivate a group of players who only half a year ago were winning a record 20th title
Crap tactics against no disrespect lower teams
Now starting to blame referees for no reason
Bizarre substitutions
I'd give my right nut if I was proved otherwise but the man and his back room staff aren't up to it, 6 months down the line we've actually become worse not better under him
That's a fair summary, and I can't disagree with much if any of it. It's just that when you read page after page of 'Moyes is crap' with nothing constructive posted, it gets very tiresome.
The forums are in meltdown here and at other places, didnt see the game but just caught sky sports news and moyes looked deflated and it would not suprise me to think by the end of the month he will be out of a job.
Gonna leave the knee jerk reactions to the abu's on here.
I think it sums up things perfectly, it's certainly how I feel.
I think most fans are upset, not because we won't win any trophies this season, but because we aren't even competitive or entertaining. Dire football, dire results. When Sir Matt Busby was manager, he reminded the players regularly that the people who filled Old Trafford worked all week looking forward to see United play on Saturday. He also reminded them that those people deserved to be entertained and demanded entertaining football. It so happened that his entertaining football also led to trophies as well. Fans could take poor results if the football were entertaining, but it has been far, far from it. For all the complaints about United last season, the team were always a threat to put on a show. Under moyes, it's been nothing but awful football and awful results. Sir Matt Busby didn't expect people to spend their weekends watching turgid football out of some masochistic delight in proving oneself to be a "True United Supporter™." Moyes' football has been unimaginative, overly cautious, and ineffective.
Football was, and is, an escape for people around the world from their everyday life. You can't expect people to be happy with the football, in style or results, United have produced this season. Excuses can be made about the squad that was good enough last year but suddenly not this year, but it comes down to the manager. It's his job to produce results as well as entertaining football. Moyes has done neither.
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No. If you find it, show us where anyone has said it.
Don't get me wrong, it was crap tonight. It's been crap for large parts of this season, no-one bar the deluded will argue about that. My point was that I find it a little strange that it's even more downbeat and vitriolic in here tonight for the 1st leg of a 2 leg tie than it has for any of our other defeats, and that some of the comments (not from you) have been downright embarrassing.
Pissed on a gypsy more like....
Seriously why do you give a **** what a bunch of strangers online think? If you want to watch and post then watch and post ffs
I would say with 100% of certainty that none of it was aimed in your direction TBH
Exactly, it does my head in how a select few on here seem to think their god's gift to supporting the club.
Then explain what you think that Moyes did wrong, rather than just giving it the 'Moyes is rubbish' spiel.
Mate, this wasn't necessarily aimed at you, I just get ground down by the baseless, uninformed crap that gets spouted every time that we lose.
I've said what I think he's doing wrong, as have others on here. If you want debate, then give me your opinion of what he's getting wrong.
http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/bild/1.1099721.1355639095/900x600/interview-juergen-klopp.jpg
Who thinks that?
I generally find you to be a very worthwhile poster. If people have issues with Moyes, then that's fine.
I think that you know what I was getting at.
Lack of passion as shown tonight
Predictable in every match
Bad interviews and press conferences
The whole summer although that just wasn't him
Seemingly unable to motivate a group of players who only half a year ago were winning a record 20th title
Crap tactics against no disrespect lower teams
Now starting to blame referees for no reason
Bizarre substitutions
I'd give my right nut if I was proved otherwise but the man and his back room staff aren't up to it, 6 months down the line we've actually become worse not better under him
Post 5450 I believe
That may be true but I had posted that I did not enjoy watching us play anymore so took it personally. i blame Moyes for that as well;-)
It was the same at Liverpool in the two seasons before Torres left, an average squad reliant on him and Gerrard until they rebuilt completely...
Man Utd and the fans have to accept now that you need to rebuild completely. You don't have the aura and swagger anymore and teams know that you are vulnerable so will now play to win, whereas previously, many teams would sit back and therefore a man Utd win or a draw were the only likely results, especially at OT.
I feel sorry for moyes and he is out of his depth but anyone would be. Mourinho would not have been in this position as his force of will would have ensured that he would have spent 80 million last summer, but with this squad, he would not have you playing exciting football and I don't think you would be in the top three.
Can't type more as tablets are annoying but I have further views and I'm sure you are all waiting with baited breath!
Jim did you see Moyes sat on his arse for the last 10 minutes of the game?
He was void of passion, ideas and offered no encouragement to the team.
I'm sorry but I don't want that fool at our club any longer let alone keeping him till the end of the season destroying our great club further.
Now that's what I'm talking about. For what it's worth:
I agree, we are too predictable, but I think that we have been for a couple of years.
Totally agree about the interviews.
The summer was a farce, but as you say, I blame others more than him.
He can only do so much, motivationally. In a sense this was bound to happen, regardless of who came in. They'll all look at him and think 'you're not the gaffer'. It's like a kid with a new step-dad.
His recent complaints about the refs have had some justification, for me. And Ferguson wasn't slow to blame a ref.
Personally, I can't say that I've found his substitutions 'bizarre'.
That's a fair summary, and I can't disagree with much if any of it. It's just that when you read page after page of 'Moyes is crap' with nothing constructive posted, it gets very tiresome.
I saw him on his feet, shouting and offering instruction for the majority of the game.
There's only so much that a manager can do. And I saw the players trying desperately to get the equaliser.
Precisely why he didn't get the job.
It looks that way.
Gonna leave the knee jerk reactions to the abu's on here.
I think it sums up things perfectly, it's certainly how I feel.
I think most fans are upset, not because we won't win any trophies this season, but because we aren't even competitive or entertaining. Dire football, dire results. When Sir Matt Busby was manager, he reminded the players regularly that the people who filled Old Trafford worked all week looking forward to see United play on Saturday. He also reminded them that those people deserved to be entertained and demanded entertaining football. It so happened that his entertaining football also led to trophies as well. Fans could take poor results if the football were entertaining, but it has been far, far from it. For all the complaints about United last season, the team were always a threat to put on a show. Under moyes, it's been nothing but awful football and awful results. Sir Matt Busby didn't expect people to spend their weekends watching turgid football out of some masochistic delight in proving oneself to be a "True United Supporter™." Moyes' football has been unimaginative, overly cautious, and ineffective.
Football was, and is, an escape for people around the world from their everyday life. You can't expect people to be happy with the football, in style or results, United have produced this season. Excuses can be made about the squad that was good enough last year but suddenly not this year, but it comes down to the manager. It's his job to produce results as well as entertaining football. Moyes has done neither.
We have had bad spells under Sir Alex but if we were losing that hair dryer were out and he was up and defiant moyes was just slumped in his chair.
He also keeps saying i will sort it out and its ok saying that but ffs back up your words because from where i am were getting worse
Tbh I spend more time on browsing their posts than I do on here these days.
I still believe we will turn it around and get to Wembley. The tie is far from over.
The shake of the head at the final whistle from Sir Bobby says it all .
You've not been ripped apart and humiliated by FC Barcelona, you are still in the competition