More people die from falling off a ladder than by dogs, lets ban ladders!!
Its a tragedy, that this poor child died because parents kept a breed of dog that may be prone to attacks, but there are 8M dogs in the country, dont tarnish all dogs with the same brush, just because of the actions of a few.
MP's voted today to ban smoking in cars with children. Some parents cannot be trusted, so it has been decided to make it law.
Same as dog owners who can't be trusted with certain breeds. Sometimes legal enforcement is necessary.
Not sure snowballs being thrown at you or footballs being kicked at you by kids really is a viable or all that well considered counter argument in a thread dealing with a dog killing a baby. I'd go so far as to say it's borderline offensive to even try and compare the 2.
Seems you and I have wildly differing stances on perspective.
Snowballs and footballs can be dangerous when thrown/kicked with force. I spoke to somebody who had a snowball thrown at her and it caused her to get tinnitus. Besides, the malice behind those actions is something to be very concerned about.
And how is it offensive? I was merely explaining why I get uncomfortable around children.
Many of these so called staffie, bull types are bought predominantly by a particular section of society . I would imagine the cost of a staffie from a reputable breeder and one from someone who is less careful shall we say will be huge. What do these people care who buy cheap end how the dog was bred, the conditions, the gene pool etc. sometimes there are bad dogs because of inbreeding and lack of socialising of the puppies.
MP's voted today to ban smoking in cars with children. Some parents cannot be trusted, so it has been decided to make it law.
Same as dog owners who can't be trusted with certain breeds. Sometimes legal enforcement is necessary.
I agree, which is why we have the dangerous dog act and a list of banned breeds. But the op wants to kill all dogs, because of the actions of one dog. Thats not right!
Snowballs and footballs can be dangerous when thrown/kicked with force. I spoke to somebody who had a snowball thrown at her and it caused her to get tinnitus. Besides, the malice behind those actions is something to be very concerned about.
And how is it offensive? I was merely explaining why I get uncomfortable around children.
Because one is pretty mild and insignificant when compared with the violent death of a baby by means of animal attack.
Snowballs and footballs can be dangerous when thrown/kicked with force. I spoke to somebody who had a snowball thrown at her and it caused her to get tinnitus. Besides, the malice behind those actions is something to be very concerned about.
And how is it offensive? I was merely explaining why I get uncomfortable around children.
Did the snowball maul her and cause devasting life threatening injuries????
I agree, which is why we have the dangerous dog act and a list of banned breeds. But the op wants to kill all dogs, because of the actions of one dog. Thats not right!
Many of these so called staffie, bull types are bought predominantly by a particular section of society . I would imagine the cost of a staffie from a reputable breeder and one from someone who is less careful shall we say will be huge. What do these people care who buy cheap end how the dog was bred, the conditions, the gene pool etc. sometimes there are bad dogs because of inbreeding and lack of socialising of the puppies.
And for the ones who are bought from proper breeders and were not cheap?
To be honest,(and i know i will be pounced on for this), Staffies, pitpulls should not be kept as family pets. They are violent dogs period. No matter what upbringing they have there is always a chance it will turn. It's in their nature.
The fact its always this breed of dogs who are in the news for killing kids speaks volumes. People need to stop blaming everyone else for the dog.
Oh gg, I've missed you and your ridiculous outlook on life. Baby mauled by pit bull type is equal to kids throwing *gasp* snowballs. I love you. Do you even feel silly when you write this stuff?
As for your 'what makes humans more important?'' Mantra - my answer- nothing at all. But all species are selfish and most will protect thier genetic line, so go and try to kill a pup and mumma dog will nail you, but go to kill a kitten next to her and she'll not bat an eyelid - we are the only species that care about that survival of our own species, not genetic line, species as a whole, and on top of that we also care about other species too - so whilst we are not more important, we are more aware of consequences and because of that we have the moral obligations to our own species first, other second, which is more than any other species does.
I do wonder how this dog would feel if you tried to do anything to 'his' cat! Besides, it is not that rare an occurrence for non-human species to create bonds with each other. Lots of dogs will play surrogate mothers to kittens and it's even been known for dolphins, cows and primates to look out for the safety of humans.
And for the ones who are bought from proper breeders and were not cheap?
To be honest,(and i know i will be pounced on for this), Staffies, pitpulls should not be kept as family pets. They are violent dogs period. No matter what upbringing they have there is always a chance it will turn. It's in their nature.
The fact its always this breed of dogs who are in the news for killing kids speaks volumes. People need to stop blaming everyone else for the dog.
They are also called the Nanny dog as they are great with children
if you look most breeds of dog have killed a child at some point
Snowballs and footballs can be dangerous when thrown/kicked with force. I spoke to somebody who had a snowball thrown at her and it caused her to get tinnitus. Besides, the malice behind those actions is something to be very concerned about.
And how is it offensive? I was merely explaining why I get uncomfortable around children.
So if you can be concerned about the malice behind a child's snowball attack, why are you criticising those concerned about the malice behind a dog mauling. By your own reasoning dogs and humans are equal so if one can be held responsible for thier actions, so can the other.
Fwiw I don't think a dog can be held responsible for its actions on the basis of malice, forethought or the understanding of consequences, but so believe that a dog can, most likely due to idiot humans, be dangerous.
An excellent question. I've asked it before of those who 'claim' to view every animal as equal, and that one life form is as important as another.
I suspect many a case of 'selective specicism' at times on DS and mainly this is biased towards the cuter more fluffy looking things.
What about the tapeworms eh? Who's looking out for those poor souls!!??
You joke, but I've raised this many times at work, worms are living creatures, that although gross, are fascinating, live a horrendously challenging life, they need to lay eggs in the host, post those out via a poo shoot, hope thier babis are eaten by the right insect, then hope they are transferred at the right point to a suitable host animal wheret hey spend the rest of their lives trying to ensure they tske as much as they can from the host without damaging it ( a damaged host is a bad host ) and sending thier own offspring out via said poo-shoot. And we come along and murder them in thier sleep.
I have to admit I do feel a little mean, but we do hold species with presumed sentience in higher regard than lower level organisms.
I do wonder how this dog would feel if you tried to do anything to 'his' cat!
Who knows, it may roll over to have it's tummy tickled or it may decide to bite your face off. If the story you quoted is anything to go by I'd go for option B.
An interesting line your article- 'Jack was ready for a fight..'
I do wonder how this dog would feel if you tried to do anything to 'his' cat! Besides, it is not that rare an occurrence for non-human species to create bonds with each other. Lots of dogs will play surrogate mothers to kittens and it's even been known for dolphins, cows and primates to look out for the safety of humans.
99% of cases are due to human interference, and they are not ensuring the survival of another species, but of an individual. The remaining 1% tend to be cases where an animal has been forced to adapt to a forced change- eg wild horses will run with other herding animals if they are stuck out alone, no bond, but circumstances force them to stick in some kind of herd.
Humans are animals too and that is a scientific fact that has been proven many time over! And what makes humans any more important? Scientific proof only please!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have a very unhealthy and irresponsible attitude.
You joke, but I've raised this many times at work, worms are living creatures, that although gross, are fascinating, live a horrendously challenging life, they need to lay eggs in the host, post those out via a poo shoot, hope thier babis are eaten by the right insect, then hope they are transferred at the right point to a suitable host animal wheret hey spend the rest of their lives trying to ensure they tske as much as they can from the host without damaging it ( a damaged host is a bad host ) and sending thier own offspring out via said poo-shoot. And we come along and murder them in thier sleep.
I have to admit I do feel a little mean, but we do hold species with presumed sentience in higher regard than lower level organisms.
How very dare you! I am not joking. Save the tapeworms!
Actually yeah, you're right, I have no love for the tapeworm but hoped my rather extreme example would give a little bit of clarity on some of the hypocrisy that DS tends to breed when it comes to the 'all living things are equal' mantra that many appear to spout but few seem to actually adhere to. ;-)
I could have gone for mosquito or fungal skin infection too.
Did the snowball maul her and cause devasting life threatening injuries????
What you are saying is that nasty kids DELIBERATELY throwing snowballs isn't something to be concerned about? That they won't escalate to throwing stones and bricks off bridges and into oncoming traffic? Those are the types of kids that are responsible for such deplorable things. The woman I spoke to had the snowball thrown at her more that two years ago and she STILL had tinnitus. That in itself is something that can cause depression and can render people unable to work.
As for the dangers snowballs pose. Perhaps you should Google it.
I know. I don't know why I expected GG to be any different this time. It's nice to be passionate about something but there are ways to go about it without putting everyone's backs up.
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MP's voted today to ban smoking in cars with children. Some parents cannot be trusted, so it has been decided to make it law.
Same as dog owners who can't be trusted with certain breeds. Sometimes legal enforcement is necessary.
Snowballs and footballs can be dangerous when thrown/kicked with force. I spoke to somebody who had a snowball thrown at her and it caused her to get tinnitus. Besides, the malice behind those actions is something to be very concerned about.
And how is it offensive? I was merely explaining why I get uncomfortable around children.
Yes. It's called giving clarity!
I agree, which is why we have the dangerous dog act and a list of banned breeds. But the op wants to kill all dogs, because of the actions of one dog. Thats not right!
An excellent question. I've asked it before of those who 'claim' to view every animal as equal, and that one life form is as important as another.
I suspect many a case of 'selective specicism' at times on DS and mainly this is biased towards the cuter more fluffy looking things.
What about the tapeworms eh? Who's looking out for those poor souls!!??
Because one is pretty mild and insignificant when compared with the violent death of a baby by means of animal attack.
Did the snowball maul her and cause devasting life threatening injuries????
The Op's post was well over the top.
Too right. Tapeworms have feelings too. ;-)
And for the ones who are bought from proper breeders and were not cheap?
To be honest,(and i know i will be pounced on for this), Staffies, pitpulls should not be kept as family pets. They are violent dogs period. No matter what upbringing they have there is always a chance it will turn. It's in their nature.
The fact its always this breed of dogs who are in the news for killing kids speaks volumes. People need to stop blaming everyone else for the dog.
I do wonder how this dog would feel if you tried to do anything to 'his' cat! Besides, it is not that rare an occurrence for non-human species to create bonds with each other. Lots of dogs will play surrogate mothers to kittens and it's even been known for dolphins, cows and primates to look out for the safety of humans.
They are also called the Nanny dog as they are great with children
if you look most breeds of dog have killed a child at some point
So if you can be concerned about the malice behind a child's snowball attack, why are you criticising those concerned about the malice behind a dog mauling. By your own reasoning dogs and humans are equal so if one can be held responsible for thier actions, so can the other.
Fwiw I don't think a dog can be held responsible for its actions on the basis of malice, forethought or the understanding of consequences, but so believe that a dog can, most likely due to idiot humans, be dangerous.
You joke, but I've raised this many times at work, worms are living creatures, that although gross, are fascinating, live a horrendously challenging life, they need to lay eggs in the host, post those out via a poo shoot, hope thier babis are eaten by the right insect, then hope they are transferred at the right point to a suitable host animal wheret hey spend the rest of their lives trying to ensure they tske as much as they can from the host without damaging it ( a damaged host is a bad host
I have to admit I do feel a little mean, but we do hold species with presumed sentience in higher regard than lower level organisms.
I thought I was the most pedantic poster on DS.
Sadly, not in my experience!
Who knows, it may roll over to have it's tummy tickled or it may decide to bite your face off. If the story you quoted is anything to go by I'd go for option B.
An interesting line your article- 'Jack was ready for a fight..'
Yeah, I bet he was. ;-)
99% of cases are due to human interference, and they are not ensuring the survival of another species, but of an individual. The remaining 1% tend to be cases where an animal has been forced to adapt to a forced change- eg wild horses will run with other herding animals if they are stuck out alone, no bond, but circumstances force them to stick in some kind of herd.
We've been here before Jane, remember?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have a very unhealthy and irresponsible attitude.
How very dare you! I am not joking. Save the tapeworms!
Actually yeah, you're right, I have no love for the tapeworm but hoped my rather extreme example would give a little bit of clarity on some of the hypocrisy that DS tends to breed when it comes to the 'all living things are equal' mantra that many appear to spout but few seem to actually adhere to. ;-)
I could have gone for mosquito or fungal skin infection too.
What you are saying is that nasty kids DELIBERATELY throwing snowballs isn't something to be concerned about? That they won't escalate to throwing stones and bricks off bridges and into oncoming traffic? Those are the types of kids that are responsible for such deplorable things. The woman I spoke to had the snowball thrown at her more that two years ago and she STILL had tinnitus. That in itself is something that can cause depression and can render people unable to work.
As for the dangers snowballs pose. Perhaps you should Google it.
I know. I don't know why I expected GG to be any different this time. It's nice to be passionate about something but there are ways to go about it without putting everyone's backs up.
At least I'm not full of arrogance!
You're full of something GG, I'll give you that.
You and I have been here before on the human vs animal thing. Several times.
You never did answer re the fleas or tapeworm questions? After all, they deserve love too right?