Are some people really using the misfortune and misery of others to have a pop at the unemployed now? Why the need to single out any particular demographic in times of crisis?
They're Tories - what do you expect?
They'd do anything to have a pop at the unfortunate.
If you believed one in three unemployed people are criminals with a recent criminal record would you honestly want the unemployed coming to help you a resident in a relatively affluent low crime area where there are empty properties and there already have been reports of looting?
and more to the point would you want to employ them. A government wanting to help people into work would go out of its way to boost up those who are unemployed or in similar circumstances/
No-one is denying that there are a few rotten apples in any section of society but the vast majority are decent law abiding people who want to do the right thing. There are even a few honest bankers.
Could the Unemployed Help with the Flood Relief?
Oh blimey, can you imagine the kerfuffle? Out would come the students, the Clergy, the usual suspects, all shouting and carping about 'slave labour' and 'workhouses'. Probably death-camps too.
Are some people really using the misfortune and misery of others to have a pop at the unemployed now? Why the need to single out any particular demographic in times of crisis?
Did you ever expect any less from the DS rightie collective? The unemployed are sub-human in their eyes.
I said the people in the wealthy areas effected might not be keen. What opinion do you think they might have of the unemployed in these Tory safe seats where the most popular paper is the DailyMail and on TV they see programs like benefit street, on benefits and proud, saints and scroungers, and TV dramas like shameless, etc.
As for being unemployed does not make you a criminal. That's true but being a criminal makes you more likely to be unemployed and the make up of the rioter looters in 2011 was disproportionately people on benefits at 40%.
I for one would not want the cast of Benefits Street turning up in my area to help with any flooding.
If only 40% were on benefits doesn't that mean that the majority of rioters were employed people ?
So public perception of how law abiding the unemployed are is not likely to high.
So 33% of unemployed people have a criminal record, are you aware that 26% of all uk working age adults have a criminal record ?
I don't think a 7% difference is worth labelling an entire group of people criminals, do you ?
If only 40% were on benefits doesn't that mean that the majority of rioters were employed people ?
If all the rioters were working age, the number on benefits should have been 14% (there are 38.4 million working age people and 5.5 million are on out of work benefits) instead it was 40% that is those on out of work benefits were just under three times more likely to be rioters than those not on out of work benefits.
So 33% of unemployed people have a criminal record, are you aware that 26% of all uk working age adults have a criminal record ?
I don't think a 7% difference is worth labelling an entire group of people criminals, do you ?
There are 38.4 million working age people in the UK and according to the Police Crime Database 9.2 million have a criminal that's 24%.
That would make someone on JSA 1.375x more likely to be a criminal than someone not on JSA. But, the tabloid claim is recent criminal record, so if those with a non recent criminal record were included the figure would be higher.
Anyhow my point was one of public opinion of the unemployed due to how they are depicted in the media. Public opinion is low according to attitude surveys and especially low amongst those who vote Conservative.
So 33% of unemployed people have a criminal record, are you aware that 26% of all uk working age adults have a criminal record ?
I don't think a 7% difference is worth labelling an entire group of people criminals, do you ?
obviously I dont support branding unemployed as criminals, and this is yet another example of the governments current anti unemployment stance, back firing on the very people it claims to want to help.
1/3 of a group being criminals does seem high, when viewed in isolation, but that 26% stat makes it alot less of a big deal.
So, some people seem to think that those who have been singled out deamonised scapegoated for all that's wrong with our economy, the "work-shy" the "feckless" the "scroungers" the "something for nothing brigade" the members of "the benefits culture"
Be they unemployed, sick, disabled, even IN low paid employment, Should they need to depend on any kind of benefit at all, They all 'deserve' whatever hardship, scorn, and hatred comes their way, according to this government and the overwhelming majority of it's supporters and voters,
The very people who will quite often sneer at those facing hardship and devastation indeed, even those facing the loss of the home they love and all the stress and heartbreak that entails, if they happen to be spare room criminals, "tough" they will often say, when the 'poors' complain about being forced to use food banks,
"we have a huge debt problem, cuts have to be made, it's tough for everyone why, we've had to cancel one of our holidays this year"
THEY support and voted for a government that said cuts to welfare and public services will have to be made, "fine" they said, won't really have any impact on ME, only on those Labour voting scrounging Oiks, 'public services' what, like libraries and swimming pools, and care homes for 'poor' old people? Pha!! Cry me a river,
No one mentioned cuts to the environmental agencies and the possible Consequences of such cuts, and now that those particular chickens have come home to roost, Out goes the call to get those poors those detested scroungers who have been bearing the brunt of their parties hate and blame campaign for the past three and a half years, to get down here to the Tory heartlands and help protect OUR homes, property and belongings,
Strange that I don't recall such a suggestion when parts of the north east were being flooded,..... What? you didn't know we had been having floods up here too? Why would you? it's north of London,
message from oop north, sorry that you are experiencing hardship, it's sad and you have my deepest sympathy, but, cuts have to be made, best advice I can give is to do as we've been told to do and, SUCK IT UP,
So, some people seem to think that those who have been singled out deamonised scapegoated for all that's wrong with our economy, the "work-shy" the "feckless" the "scroungers" the "something for nothing brigade" the members of "the benefits culture"
Be they unemployed, sick, disabled, even IN low paid employment, Should they need to depend on any kind of benefit at all, They all 'deserve' whatever hardship, scorn, and hatred comes their way, according to this government and the overwhelming majority of it's supporters and voters,
The very people who will quite often sneer at those facing hardship and devastation indeed, even those facing the loss of the home they love and all the stress and heartbreak that entails, if they happen to be spare room criminals, "tough" they will often say, when the 'poors' complain about being forced to use food banks,
"we have a huge debt problem, cuts have to be made, it's tough for everyone why, we've had to cancel one of our holidays this year"
THEY support and voted for a government that said cuts to welfare and public services will have to be made, "fine" they said, won't really have any impact on ME, only on those Labour voting scrounging Oiks, 'public services' what, like libraries and swimming pools, and care homes for 'poor' old people? Pha!! Cry me a river,
No one mentioned cuts to the environmental agencies and the possible Consequences of such cuts, and now that those particular chickens have come home to roost, Out goes the call to get those poors those detested scroungers who have been bearing the brunt of their parties hate and blame campaign for the past three and a half years, to get down here to the Tory heartlands and help protect OUR homes, property and belongings,
Strange that I don't recall such a suggestion when parts of the north east were being flooded,..... What? you didn't know we had been having floods up here too? Why would you? it's north of London,
message from oop north, sorry that you are experiencing hardship, it's sad and you have my deepest sympathy, but, cuts have to be made, best advice I can give is to do as we've been told to do and, SUCK IT UP,
That would be slave labour if they were made to work more than a day a week.
Besides if your on JSA you need to spend your time skilling yourself up, applying and interviewing.
Maybe these people in their Surrey homes should pay people a living wage
Not everyone in Surrey is a wealthy company owner, not all company owners are wealthy anyway and apart from that why should the people of Surrey pay those on JSA a living wage ?
What about unemployed people in areas without flooding? The problem with these work for welfare schemes is the tax payers are no better off as they are still paying JSA. In fact they pay more due to the cost of hiring supervisors at full pay, training and health and safety.
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GRADE A BULL FECES
They're Tories - what do you expect?
They'd do anything to have a pop at the unfortunate.
and more to the point would you want to employ them. A government wanting to help people into work would go out of its way to boost up those who are unemployed or in similar circumstances/
No-one is denying that there are a few rotten apples in any section of society but the vast majority are decent law abiding people who want to do the right thing. There are even a few honest bankers.
Jeremy Kyle
Oh blimey, can you imagine the kerfuffle? Out would come the students, the Clergy, the usual suspects, all shouting and carping about 'slave labour' and 'workhouses'. Probably death-camps too.
There is wisdom in the old saying that one volunteer is worth 10 pressed men
Did you ever expect any less from the DS rightie collective? The unemployed are sub-human in their eyes.
If only 40% were on benefits doesn't that mean that the majority of rioters were employed people ?
So 33% of unemployed people have a criminal record, are you aware that 26% of all uk working age adults have a criminal record ?
I don't think a 7% difference is worth labelling an entire group of people criminals, do you ?
There are 38.4 million working age people in the UK and according to the Police Crime Database 9.2 million have a criminal that's 24%.
That would make someone on JSA 1.375x more likely to be a criminal than someone not on JSA. But, the tabloid claim is recent criminal record, so if those with a non recent criminal record were included the figure would be higher.
Anyhow my point was one of public opinion of the unemployed due to how they are depicted in the media. Public opinion is low according to attitude surveys and especially low amongst those who vote Conservative.
1/3 of a group being criminals does seem high, when viewed in isolation, but that 26% stat makes it alot less of a big deal.
You won't get anything in the press praising them though.
Be they unemployed, sick, disabled, even IN low paid employment, Should they need to depend on any kind of benefit at all, They all 'deserve' whatever hardship, scorn, and hatred comes their way, according to this government and the overwhelming majority of it's supporters and voters,
The very people who will quite often sneer at those facing hardship and devastation indeed, even those facing the loss of the home they love and all the stress and heartbreak that entails, if they happen to be spare room criminals, "tough" they will often say, when the 'poors' complain about being forced to use food banks,
"we have a huge debt problem, cuts have to be made, it's tough for everyone why, we've had to cancel one of our holidays this year"
THEY support and voted for a government that said cuts to welfare and public services will have to be made, "fine" they said, won't really have any impact on ME, only on those Labour voting scrounging Oiks, 'public services' what, like libraries and swimming pools, and care homes for 'poor' old people? Pha!! Cry me a river,
No one mentioned cuts to the environmental agencies and the possible Consequences of such cuts, and now that those particular chickens have come home to roost, Out goes the call to get those poors those detested scroungers who have been bearing the brunt of their parties hate and blame campaign for the past three and a half years, to get down here to the Tory heartlands and help protect OUR homes, property and belongings,
Strange that I don't recall such a suggestion when parts of the north east were being flooded,..... What? you didn't know we had been having floods up here too? Why would you? it's north of London,
message from oop north, sorry that you are experiencing hardship, it's sad and you have my deepest sympathy, but, cuts have to be made, best advice I can give is to do as we've been told to do and, SUCK IT UP,
Ooh you are awful , but I like you
Bravo! Says it all really.
white dee could be used if the thames barrier fails ;-)
Yes. I've seen many of them absorb huge amounts of liquid in my local pub.
They can do it all day as well!
We should send the right wingers to deal with the faeces, since they eat up any sh!t...
Hey troll, how did you know they were unemployed, did they have it branded on their forehead
Meercam is full of it already
You should be happy at least they're keeping your local pub open, more than can be said of pubs around here, where unemployment is very high.
Not everyone in Surrey is a wealthy company owner, not all company owners are wealthy anyway and apart from that why should the people of Surrey pay those on JSA a living wage ?