Anyway, these special case local services should have had a separate numbering range, not just been dumped in the middle of the entertainment genre.
It would make sense to move any regional and local services out of the entertainment section and into the 80+ range, with the exception of special cases allocated to LCN 8 or 26. This would have to happen after the 70+ range of LCNs are reallocated.
Expecting LCN allocations to make sense, however, is probably a little too optimistic.
It would make sense to move any regional and local services out of the entertainment section and into the 80+ range, with the exception of special cases allocated to LCN 8 or 26. This would have to happen after the 70+ range of LCNs are reallocated.
I agree that would be the best short to medium term solution.
Is BT Sport still showing promos for the channel on Freeview?
No, that stream was used by Top Up TV for the 24/7 Marketplace channel and has been subsequently reallocated to Channel 5 +24.
BT Sport no longer offers the DTT pay service to new customers, which is an indication that their DTT carriage arrangements won't be renewed when their existing contract expires.
No, that stream was used by Top Up TV for the 24/7 Marketplace channel and has been subsequently reallocated to Channel 5 +24.
BT Sport no longer offers the DTT pay service to new customers, which is an indication that their DTT carriage arrangements won't be renewed when their existing contract expires.
epsilon,
Do you have any idea when this might be? (the BT contract expiring)
I hope Quest+1 is a temporarily place-holder for another channel.
It remains to be seen what Discovery will do with this channel space. They might indeed opt to put Quest+1 in this slot or they might fill it with one of their other channels such as Discovery Home & Health. Either option would be better than yet another shopping channel.
But it is a new channel. We didn't have it yesterday.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... it's not like there's a queue of channels waiting to join the platform. It's first come first served.
well said - and its a real +1 - some of these other +1's that only are viewable part time or at some crazy time at night are currently a waste of time.
But it's a mess! 51-53, 56, 60, 62 and maybe 48 and 50 have been blocked out for this, causing unnecessary gaps in the rest of the UK.
Not to mention 64 and whenever Local TV 1/ABC Shopping launches too (LCN 65), it is causing unnecessary gaps.
Not a fantasy EPG list, but the following can be done, keeping all 'the rest of the UK' channels in consecutive order:
LCN# Channel name
48 Jewellery Channel
49 ITV4 +1 (ITVBe unless this will be on LCN 34)
50 Channel 5 +24 or Quest +1
51 Channel 5 +24 or Quest +1
52 BT Sport 1
53 BT Sport 2
54 True Entertainment
55 Community Channel
56 - 59 [Vacant for channels on multiplexes: PSB1, 2 and COM4, 5, 6 and 7]
60 - 67+ [For channels on multiplexes: Local TV (City DTT), Greater Manchester and NIMux]
70 - 99 [Vacant for further general entertainment channels after LCNs 56-59 has been allocated, with Childrens & News moved to 121+ and 131+ respectively]
With this structure, the childrens & news sections can be moved 16 weeks after LCN 59 (last national channel LCN) has been allocated.
With this structure, the childrens & news sections can be moved 16 weeks after LCN 59 (last national channel LCN) has been allocated.
Your suggestion would just recreate the gap problem at a later stage. Also, it's not a good idea to allocate the last available slot and then wait 16 weeks before moving channels to create extra space. That would mean a 16 week freeze on new channels joining the platform.
Why not Drop the Channel price Drop TV and extend the Community Channel hours to 24 hours and move the Shopping Channels to a night hours from 0200 to 0400 and Scrap the ADULT Section and replace it With new Local Television Section as this wood make better use of space on free veiw as a whole
Why not Drop the Channel price Drop TV and extend the Community Channel hours to 24 hours and move the Shopping Channels to a night hours from 0200 to 0400 and Scrap the ADULT Section and replace it With new Local Television Section as this wood make better use of space on freeview as a whole
No, that stream was used by Top Up TV for the 24/7 Marketplace channel and has been subsequently reallocated to Channel 5 +24.
BT Sport no longer offers the DTT pay service to new customers, which is an indication that their DTT carriage arrangements won't be renewed when their existing contract expires.
Thanks for the info. I had thought that BT Sport had already left Freeview and that they we're using one of the slots to advertise BT Sport FTA.
It does seem odd that they are paying all that money for carriage and aren't allowing new customers access to BT Sport, even for a limited period until the contract expires.
Is this the reason why some BT Vision/YouView customers can't get BT Sports
Thanks for the info. I had thought that BT Sport had already left Freeview and that they we're using one of the slots to advertise BT Sport FTA.
It does seem odd that they are paying all that money for carriage and aren't allowing new customers access to BT Sport, even for a limited period until the contract expires.
Is this the reason why some BT Vision/YouView customers can't get BT Sports
BT have clearly indicated that once the BT Infinity fast broadband UK rollout has been completed within the next year or so, they'll then give up the two expensive Freeview/DTT channel slot leases and migrate everyone to much cheaper (for BT, that is) IPTV delivery of BT Sport 1 & 2 via BT Infinity. That's presumably why they aren't now accepting any new digital terrestrial customers.
Incidentally, BT leaving the Freeview/DTT platform will leave two free full time channels up for grabs on the COM6/ARQB Arqiva B multiplex. Since the departure of the two BT Sport channels will, for all practical purposes, mean the end of linear pay-TV on the Freeview platform, I assume that these two channel slots will be used for free to air channels which is good news.
BT have clearly indicated that once the BT Infinity fast broadband UK rollout has been completed within the next year or so, they'll then give up the two expensive Freeview/DTT channel slot leases and migrate everyone to much cheaper (for BT, that is) IPTV delivery of BT Sport 1 & 2 via BT Infinity. That's presumably why they aren't now accepting any new digital terrestrial customers.
Incidentally, BT leaving the Freeview/DTT platform will leave two free full time channels up for grabs on the COM6/ARQB Arqiva B multiplex. Since the departure of the two BT Sport channels will, for all practical purposes, mean the end of linear pay-TV on the Freeview platform, I assume that these two channel slots will be used for free to air channels which is good news.
The two BT Sports channels are AVC encoding like HD channels are though, and they aren't allowed normally for some reason. BT had special permission as their sports channels were only used on their boxes.
when they close there may only be the space for 1 SD channel in the space.
The two BT Sports channels are AVC encoding like HD channels are though, and they aren't allowed normally for some reason. BT had special permission as their sports channels were only used on their boxes.
when they close there may only be the space for 1 SD channel in the space.
Ludicrous that they're "not allowed" to put AVC channels on Freeview! It's like the terrestrial broadcasters want to be left behind by IPTV!
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It would make sense to move any regional and local services out of the entertainment section and into the 80+ range, with the exception of special cases allocated to LCN 8 or 26. This would have to happen after the 70+ range of LCNs are reallocated.
Expecting LCN allocations to make sense, however, is probably a little too optimistic.
Thanks for replying.
I asked because Epsilon made a post earlier today (post no. 16) that said that BT Sports had yet to leave the platform
No, that stream was used by Top Up TV for the 24/7 Marketplace channel and has been subsequently reallocated to Channel 5 +24.
BT Sport no longer offers the DTT pay service to new customers, which is an indication that their DTT carriage arrangements won't be renewed when their existing contract expires.
epsilon,
Do you have any idea when this might be? (the BT contract expiring)
*shrug* A lot of the country can't get channels 10-12 (etc), should they be moved too?
The BT channels appeared in July 2010, so the contract could expire as soon as July this year. It really depends on how long the contract was for.
Probably not for the 7% (approx) unable to receive these channels.
It remains to be seen what Discovery will do with this channel space. They might indeed opt to put Quest+1 in this slot or they might fill it with one of their other channels such as Discovery Home & Health. Either option would be better than yet another shopping channel.
But it is a new channel. We didn't have it yesterday.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... it's not like there's a queue of channels waiting to join the platform. It's first come first served.
And besides which, the additional ad revenue from +1 channels can lead to extra cash for better programming.
well said - and its a real +1 - some of these other +1's that only are viewable part time or at some crazy time at night are currently a waste of time.
Not to mention 64 and whenever Local TV 1/ABC Shopping launches too (LCN 65), it is causing unnecessary gaps.
Not a fantasy EPG list, but the following can be done, keeping all 'the rest of the UK' channels in consecutive order:
LCN# Channel name
48 Jewellery Channel
49 ITV4 +1 (ITVBe unless this will be on LCN 34)
50 Channel 5 +24 or Quest +1
51 Channel 5 +24 or Quest +1
52 BT Sport 1
53 BT Sport 2
54 True Entertainment
55 Community Channel
56 - 59 [Vacant for channels on multiplexes: PSB1, 2 and COM4, 5, 6 and 7]
60 - 67+ [For channels on multiplexes: Local TV (City DTT), Greater Manchester and NIMux]
70 - 99 [Vacant for further general entertainment channels after LCNs 56-59 has been allocated, with Childrens & News moved to 121+ and 131+ respectively]
With this structure, the childrens & news sections can be moved 16 weeks after LCN 59 (last national channel LCN) has been allocated.
Oh yes it is!
Your suggestion would just recreate the gap problem at a later stage. Also, it's not a good idea to allocate the last available slot and then wait 16 weeks before moving channels to create extra space. That would mean a 16 week freeze on new channels joining the platform.
Money.
And contracts.
Thanks for the info. I had thought that BT Sport had already left Freeview and that they we're using one of the slots to advertise BT Sport FTA.
It does seem odd that they are paying all that money for carriage and aren't allowing new customers access to BT Sport, even for a limited period until the contract expires.
Is this the reason why some BT Vision/YouView customers can't get BT Sports
BT have clearly indicated that once the BT Infinity fast broadband UK rollout has been completed within the next year or so, they'll then give up the two expensive Freeview/DTT channel slot leases and migrate everyone to much cheaper (for BT, that is) IPTV delivery of BT Sport 1 & 2 via BT Infinity. That's presumably why they aren't now accepting any new digital terrestrial customers.
Incidentally, BT leaving the Freeview/DTT platform will leave two free full time channels up for grabs on the COM6/ARQB Arqiva B multiplex. Since the departure of the two BT Sport channels will, for all practical purposes, mean the end of linear pay-TV on the Freeview platform, I assume that these two channel slots will be used for free to air channels which is good news.
The two BT Sports channels are AVC encoding like HD channels are though, and they aren't allowed normally for some reason. BT had special permission as their sports channels were only used on their boxes.
when they close there may only be the space for 1 SD channel in the space.
Ludicrous that they're "not allowed" to put AVC channels on Freeview! It's like the terrestrial broadcasters want to be left behind by IPTV!