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Are you "proud" of your race or do you think yourself just "lucky"
Pfrancis
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I was watching a comedy stand up by Chris Rock 
.He said something which got me thinking even though its quite obvious IMO.He was talking about immigration and how TRUE americans were the war veterans because they fought to make a difference in America and strangely enough Immigrants who sacrificed a lot to get here.he then said the rest of us are here (America)just simply because we happened to pop out of our mothers (you know what) in this particular place and thats it!
so basically are you actually PROUD to be british (even though you personally haven't actually done anything to achieve this) or like myself,do you just think of yourself as incredibly lucky (or unlucky
) to be here?
.He said something which got me thinking even though its quite obvious IMO.He was talking about immigration and how TRUE americans were the war veterans because they fought to make a difference in America and strangely enough Immigrants who sacrificed a lot to get here.he then said the rest of us are here (America)just simply because we happened to pop out of our mothers (you know what) in this particular place and thats it!so basically are you actually PROUD to be british (even though you personally haven't actually done anything to achieve this) or like myself,do you just think of yourself as incredibly lucky (or unlucky
) to be here? 0
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However I would also argue that this is a kind of meta-luck; luck usually means that what happened happens to people randomly. However, before I was conceived there was no "me" to speak of, so strictly speaking, *I* couldn't have been conceived anywhere else or by anyone else (unless you believe in souls and that they're sent to embryos randomly).
Even that interpretation, of course, is no grounds for anyone to be proud of where or whom they were born to, as it's still nothing that they chose or ever had a chance to.
I don't think people view being British as some kind of personal achievement to be proud of... I think, from an Irish perspective, that people are proud to be part of a country that achieved so much and for all its faults now, is still one of the most liberal, tolerant, democratic, nice places to live... they didnt personally have to achieve these things to be proud of the country that did them
Is this just a crude attempt to try to revive interest in the dead carcass that is the BNP in the run up to May's Euro elections?
I quite like being british though and I suppose I feel lucky to have been born here rather than Saudi Arabia or the arse end of Africa.
My race is human and clearly humans are a remarkable species...but I'm not proud (or ashamed) of being human.
Bollocks
Whys that?
You've plenty to be proud of.... okay, there are some other things that are probably best not mentioned... but that good outweighs the bad. The science, exploration, inventions, business, liberal political system, a trading empire across the world etc etc... Compared to Belgium... I think you guys do okay
How do they stop you?
Why do you allow them to?
Well, 'British' isn't a race. Ok, I've got the pedantic crap out of the way... Yes I am proud of the UK as a country, I think it's a great country, one of the most civilised places on Earth to live. I think one of the worst things about this country is the negativity.
Don't get me wrong, I like self deprecating humour, but when you slag everything off about a country, it isn't really self deprecating because you're having a go at everyone, rather than yourself. I find that sort of attitude difficult, as do I the people who seem to get offended by anything. So you're offended, big deal- get over it, there are worse things that can happen than for your precious sensibilities to be offended.
Oh, and there's no un-ironic way of slagging off people who like to moan or be negative about things, before anyone says anything
Whoever this people are they must be brave.... If they went down to the Sandy
Rows Rangers Supporters club in Belfast and told the bar occupiants that they couldn't be proud to be British..... I doubt they would make it out alive... Not a clever idea... those guys are serious about their pride in their nationality.
I do sort of see what you mean, but I view it more these days that if someone can be proud of being Welsh / Scottish or Northern Irish then I don't see why I cannot be proud to be English.
As for being proud to be white, I'm not sure being proud of any race is something people need to do but they don't need to be ashamed either.
I'm not ashamed to be white.
I'm that freshie rocking a lapel pin. I wish I was kidding.
How many do you have?
A mate of mine has 4 - UK, Irish, USA and Swedish... very handy.
Everyone from NI can potentially have both a UK and Irish passport
Well exactly.
I've heard of dual nationality and thought that people were limited to only two in terms of being able to have passports.
Two I can understand. Not sure I would cope with four.
They are indeed, but thanks to the knuckle-draggers it can be misinterpreted.
Jeff Randall has mentioned in the past of the time when he worked at the BBC and he was told his Union Jack cufflinks were a symbol of the BNP and that he shouldn't wear them - thankfully he wore them anyway.
thank god I'm a yorkshireman ;-)
Two, I'm one of those dual nationality people.
I feel rather inadequate now compared to someone with four.