I don't get what you want then. A shared public space is by definition a space you share with other members of the public
If you haven't been in the wood/park and seen dogs bounding ahead of their owners (to far ahead for the ownership to be enforced) then I must live in the only place that it happens.
I've owned dogs or had them as part of the family for my entire life (38 years), not once has one of them bitten someone. Why? Good training.
Let morons keep dogs and you only get moron dogs. Dog licensing and mandatory training is the way forward IMO.
I agree with your point about only allowing someone to take a dog home with them after they've completed a training course and can show a certificate for it but the problem is, the dodgy breeders. Or there may be people who complete the course then find out when they get home that they can't be bothered to look after the dog properly and no one would know since there isn't any way of seeing how a dog is treated by it's owners on a day to day basis until when things get serious and complaints are made.
Apart from the awful deaths, injuries, I would like to say, that, I would love to be able to let my 3 year old grandson run off in front of me in the woods/park without fear of him being confronted by dogs off the lead, and I cannot tell you how annoying it is when I run to scoop my grandson up, only to be told "don't worry they won't hurt him, they are very soft and friendly".
Ruins any freedom to walk freely with him.
Obviously you're going to be concerned when your 3 year old grandson is faced with a dog.
I've said the very same thing the people when out walking my dog " Don't worry, she doesn't hurt. She's very soft." The fact is that's exactly what she is. It's said to ease the concerns of the person, not to be meant as some kind of annoying, trite comment.
Dogs and children do need to learn to interact with each other. I trust my dog 100%, I don't however trust that a child may pull her ears of get in her face or hang off her etc. All things that have happened in the past. Accountability needs to be taken from both dog owner and whoever is responsible for the child.
I agree with your point about only allowing someone to take a dog home with them after they've completed a training course and can show a certificate for it but the problem is, the dodgy breeders. Or there may be people who complete the course then find out when they get home that they can't be bothered to look after the dog properly and no one would know since there isn't any way of seeing how a dog is treated by it's owners on a day to day basis until when things get serious and complaints are made.
I agree with you. Education is a start. Unfortunately there are ***** in everyday life, when it comes to maltreatment and poor training and socialising of dogs then the owners should be heavily punished if and when the dog attacks.
If you haven't been in the wood/park and seen dogs bounding ahead of their owners (to far ahead for the ownership to be enforced) then I must live in the only place that it happens.
I mean you can't expect the entire country to adapt to what your specific needs are. We all have to live here and use what space we have between us. Take your grandson to the already allocated parks where you can let him run off without dogs to worry about, and meanwhile dog owners will be exercising their animals in the woods far from your grandson.
Dogs and children do need to learn to interact with each other. I trust my dog 100%, I don't however trust that a child may pull her ears of get in her face or hang off her etc. All things that have happened in the past. Accountability needs to be taken from both dog owner and whoever is responsible for the child.
I agree, you cant trust a child not to do this. Which is why dogs must be muzzled.
Obviously you're going to be concerned when your 3 year old grandson is faced with a dog.
I've said the very same thing the people when out walking my dog " Don't worry, she doesn't hurt. She's very soft." The fact is that's exactly what she is. It's said to ease the concerns of the person, not to be meant as some kind of annoying, trite comment.
Dogs and children do need to learn to interact with each other. I trust my dog 100%, I don't however trust that a child may pull her ears of get in her face or hang off her etc. All things that have happened in the past. Accountability needs to be taken from both dog owner and whoever is responsible for the child.
I agree, but as a dog owner, you should be with your dog to ensure this does not happen, and I am sure you would be equally annoyed if the parent of a strange child told you "don't worry they love dogs, they won't hurt"
I agree, you cant trust a child not to do this. Which is why dogs must be muzzled.
So all dogs must be muzzled because children cant be trusted ? I already said in my post that I trust my dog 100%. There's no need for her to be muzzled because a hyper active child cant keep their hands off.
So you want muzzling of dogs banned because its barbaric?
We have heard from several posters who muzzle their dogs because they snap. Do you think that is barbaric?
Not necessarily. Is it fair to muzzle a well trained dog that has never and will never bite? My dogs were trained to carry an egg in their mouth (it was an obedience display thing) but I know that if someone mugged me on the street then my dog would protect me.
It's not about the dog. It's ALL about really shit owners. That's where the focus should be.
Not necessarily. Is it fair to muzzle a well trained dog that has never and will never bite? My dogs were trained to carry an egg in their mouth (it was an obedience display thing) but I know that if someone mugged me on the street then my dog would protect me.
It's not about the dog. It's ALL about really shit owners. That's where the focus should be.
So all dogs must be muzzled because children cant be trusted ? I already said in my post that I trust my dog 100%. There's no need for her to be muzzled because a hyper active child cant keep their hands off.
Part of the reason why they should be muzzled. As much as well tell children not to do things they sometimes go against out instructions, Its because they are a child. If dogs are so temperamental they they are likely to attack a child just because they have their ear pulled, I would say that is a reason to have dogs muzzled.
I appreciate it seems unfair to dogs, but I think the safety of children comes before the rights of dog owners to have such dangerous animals in public.
If dogs are so temperamental they they are likely to attack a child just because they have their ear pulled, I would say that is a reason to have dogs muzzled.
Do you ever get tired of making up worse case scenarios and extrapolating them out to extremes just to try and prove a point?
I agree, but as a dog owner, you should be with your dog to ensure this does not happen, and I am sure you would be equally annoyed if the parent of a strange child told you "don't worry they love dogs, they won't hurt"
This could turn into a somewhat circular argument. I could just as easily say the person responsible should have more control over the child. I'm not in a position to chastise a strangers child for hanging off my dog, I have to smile and politely reassure them my dog doesn't bite and she's a softie.
The outrage is a bit disproportionate when my dog is innocently running around having her freedom, which she is entitled to.
Incidentally my dog is always with me. Her recall is perfect. Something I'm very proud of.
As had been already said, we all share these spaces together, and are entitled to do so. If you still feel that's not good enough then, again as has been said, there's plenty of places that don't allow dogs.
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If you haven't been in the wood/park and seen dogs bounding ahead of their owners (to far ahead for the ownership to be enforced) then I must live in the only place that it happens.
Congratulations for missing my following post.
Now, shall I go straight to jail for sellotaping your cat?
I agree with your point about only allowing someone to take a dog home with them after they've completed a training course and can show a certificate for it but the problem is, the dodgy breeders.
Absolutely superb work
And I'm not muzzling my Chinese Crested for anyone...
Obviously you're going to be concerned when your 3 year old grandson is faced with a dog.
I've said the very same thing the people when out walking my dog " Don't worry, she doesn't hurt. She's very soft." The fact is that's exactly what she is. It's said to ease the concerns of the person, not to be meant as some kind of annoying, trite comment.
Dogs and children do need to learn to interact with each other. I trust my dog 100%, I don't however trust that a child may pull her ears of get in her face or hang off her etc. All things that have happened in the past. Accountability needs to be taken from both dog owner and whoever is responsible for the child.
I agree with you. Education is a start. Unfortunately there are ***** in everyday life, when it comes to maltreatment and poor training and socialising of dogs then the owners should be heavily punished if and when the dog attacks.
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I agree, you cant trust a child not to do this. Which is why dogs must be muzzled.
I agree, but as a dog owner, you should be with your dog to ensure this does not happen, and I am sure you would be equally annoyed if the parent of a strange child told you "don't worry they love dogs, they won't hurt"
Why not muzzle children and cable tie their arms behind their backs? It would also lower the rates of depression in mothers.
Because it would be barbaric?
Bingo!!
So you want muzzling of dogs banned because its barbaric?
We have heard from several posters who muzzle their dogs because they snap. Do you think that is barbaric?
So all dogs must be muzzled because children cant be trusted ? I already said in my post that I trust my dog 100%. There's no need for her to be muzzled because a hyper active child cant keep their hands off.
Not necessarily. Is it fair to muzzle a well trained dog that has never and will never bite? My dogs were trained to carry an egg in their mouth (it was an obedience display thing) but I know that if someone mugged me on the street then my dog would protect me.
It's not about the dog. It's ALL about really shit owners. That's where the focus should be.
Not I. But straw men are easy to build
And would it protect you if a child ran into you?
Part of the reason why they should be muzzled. As much as well tell children not to do things they sometimes go against out instructions, Its because they are a child. If dogs are so temperamental they they are likely to attack a child just because they have their ear pulled, I would say that is a reason to have dogs muzzled.
I appreciate it seems unfair to dogs, but I think the safety of children comes before the rights of dog owners to have such dangerous animals in public.
No, because he is well enough trained to know the difference between accident and aggression. He actually loves kids more than I do.
This could turn into a somewhat circular argument. I could just as easily say the person responsible should have more control over the child. I'm not in a position to chastise a strangers child for hanging off my dog, I have to smile and politely reassure them my dog doesn't bite and she's a softie.
The outrage is a bit disproportionate when my dog is innocently running around having her freedom, which she is entitled to.
Incidentally my dog is always with me. Her recall is perfect. Something I'm very proud of.
As had been already said, we all share these spaces together, and are entitled to do so. If you still feel that's not good enough then, again as has been said, there's plenty of places that don't allow dogs.
No just children.