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The problem with the voice is that there is no 'bad cop'
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There are too many 'good cops' in the voice and at times it becomes very sycophantic. Especially when people haven't done that well in a performance. Its like listening to liblabcon's as judges.... its all very much the same.
What musical icon do you think would make a good 'bad cop'?
I'm kind of leaning towards Elton John or Boy George!
What musical icon do you think would make a good 'bad cop'?
I'm kind of leaning towards Elton John or Boy George!
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Agreed. I hate all the nastiness that comes with other talent shows. I like the fact that on this show they are there to help and to encourage and not rip people to shreds in front of millions of viewers. I like the nice atmosphere
If anyone has seen this season's American Idol, they will know what I mean when I say that Harry Connick junior is the best talent show judge ever. And he is not nasty, just honest and blunt. But he states that he is only doing it like this to help the candidates to be their best so that they can take advantage of his knowledge and experience and not just get a pat on the head every week.
It's not just about telling someone they are out of tune, although he does, frequently, but he gives them advice on defining themselves as an artist, performance as a whole, use of the stage, not getting carried away by the audience and many, many other things that talent show contestants always need help with. He's a great judge.
Also, the advantage of having a tough judge (which is what he is - if he says 'good job' it really means something!) is that it brings out the best in the other judges - they don't feel inhibited about adding their critique and you get 3 solid pieces of advice, rather than 3 different ways of saying how good a performer is.
As a viewer, I find 4 judges trying to find a different way to compliment a performer really boring. What is the point of having a wealth of experience on the panel if they are just going to come out with the same kind of comments a layman would make? One of the problems is that 3 out of 4 of the judges are inarticulate and another problem is that they patronise (both the contestants and the viewers) - it takes balls to be an honest judge, and I don't mean the type of role that Cowell plays, I mean real honesty.
Boy George would be good - but I think he might have issues with this type of show anyway. Elton John simply doesn't need to do it, so I doubt he'd be in the frame for it. Not sure who else could or would play the 'baddie' role.
Oh, maybe George Michael if he could stay sober long enough! Lily Allen maybe? Robbie Williams? Struggling with this....sure I'll think of someone perfect for the role given time.
Don't remember many times where you get to hear a technical criticism, which I'd like to hear, as it makes it a bit more real. Else, it basically means anyone can be a judge as long as they've got a good range of adjectives to use!
If TXF is bad at tearing people down, the it's the opposite with The Voice. Surely there should be a middle ground, something like Harry Connick Jnr you've just mentioned?
HCJ comes across as being 100% sure of his convictions and that being popular with the audience would never sway his judgement - he gets boo'd regularly. He sees his position as being there to help the contestants and not for one moment for his own popularity or ego boost. On top of that, he is one of the top musicians around and has a very charismatic personality, is articulate and funny.
Even a big name like Kylie comes across as needy and desperate to be liked and there have been many more of her ilk. To be a credible judge, you have to leave all that at the door and try to help the contestants (imo) but that doesn't seem to be what we are about here - it's still not a serious singing competition, it's just Saturday night viewing and they want a few big names on the box drumming up a bit of feel-good telly.
Also on the panel in AI is Jennifer Lopez, their bit of sparkle and glamour to add to the proceedings. But she too is a credible judge - she comes across as knowledgeable, has a wide ranging interest in music, is very passionate and (despite some criticism) is more articulate than practically all of the judges on the UK shows.
I dunno, the Americans just seem to do it better than us, and the singing is always the star - plus, the singers are way better than ours. Although I love him to bits, HCJ would kill a show like The Voice. Because the standard here is so low, our Saturday night viewing would be filled with critiques which the public would find baffling and negative and there would be very little let up.
Gary Barlow was the 'credible' judge on the XF, but you wouldn't know it, as for whatever reason, he followed suit and praised where it wasn't due, and failed to criticise where it was necessary. He was also known for his bluntness, but failed to deliver, so either the judges are not allowed to speak their mind, or they guard their public persona too preciously. It does make you wonder whether there is anything in between cloying sycophant and pantomime villain.
I think if the older woman wins, I think her name is Sally, then that'll be the final nail in their coffin, as obv there is no way she's going to be a chart success and/or be successful in the public eye etc, and so that'll be 3 series they've failed to get a winner.
I'd like Christina Marie to win, but then again I can't see any of them having that undefinable star quality that few seem to have these days....
I'd change the format to be like this...
1- Blind Auditions. Every coach gets 12 picks
2- Battle Rounds. Teams wittled down to 6 each
3- Elimination. Coaches pick the best 3 of their team.
4- Lives. 12 acts, eliminated week by week until 3 remain
5- Final. Winner, runner up and third place decided
From #4 onwards, all eliminations decided by public vote.
Still enjoy the show though!
Yes, I agree with you. I didn't mean 'bad cop' as such but perhaps 'honesty' like someone might get if they were giving an audition or what we might expect from Alan Sugar. Listening to judge trying to out 'wow' each other when a performance or song has been ropey is patronising towards both the contestants and the viewers.
Yes, I was a bit disappointed that from the live rounds the individuals still had to battle against each other within their individual teams before going head to head.
It should have been 12 acts with the eliminations including everyone! (I'm sure it was like that the first year wasn't it?)
It almost felt a bit 'fixed' this year with the 'pass straight through the final for each character leaving the remaining two to be eliminated in each team by the public vote.
I'd chose the voice over the xfactor any day for that reason. I love that they all have fun together.
I suppose you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Saying helpful stuff to your own acts is one thing, to another coach's and it could be seen as stepping on their toes and/or undermining your own "team".