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Why do the BBC feel they need to educate our kids?

The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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Other children's channels just entertain our kids but the BBC, in regards to CBeebies especially seem to be obsessed with making programmes that try to teach our kids literacy, numeracy healthy eating/cooking, morals, sign language, art, foreign languages, science and even physical education and it's so politically correct that it's almost like watching a Benetton advert.

They even try to tell you what time your child should go to bed and read them a story before bedtime. I can't help but feel that the BBC is trying to be like a 3rd parent to our kids. TV is supposed to be there to entertain us not home education. I'm all up for some children's programmes being educational but the BBC seemed to have developed an eintire curriculum.

If there was ever a pointless kids show that was shoehorned in under the premise of it being educational it's The Lingo Show. A show which attempts to teach kiddies which haven't even grasped the concept of our own language yet, the odd occasional word in a foreign language. It's got to be the most pointless kids programme I've ever seen. It teaches kids absolutely nothing about foreign language.

There's hardly a programme on Cbeebies that doesn't attempt to ram the BBC education curriculum down my child's throat. This is supposed to be a children's tv channel not nanny tv.
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    Hit Em Up StyleHit Em Up Style Posts: 12,141
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    Because its part of the licence fee agreement.
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    Shazla09Shazla09 Posts: 29,343
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    Isn't it the BBC's charter to Educate, Inform & Entertain?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 375
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    My kids love those programmes, mr maker, something special, Justin's house, show me. I don't like the lingo show. These shows are good as they mix fun with learning. I don't see anything nanny about it.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,611
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    Teaching our kids FOREIGNESS!!!! >:(

    How very dare they! someone call the UKIPs!
    >:(
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    grimtales1grimtales1 Posts: 46,697
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    TV at its best can Entertain AND inform/educate imo.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    sw2963 wrote: »
    Isn't it the BBC's charter to Educate, Inform & Entertain?

    Yes but it doesn't have to be almost every programme surely? The odd educational programme maybe but this is ridiculous. It's wall to wall education for kids with no educational subject matter left untouched. Plus whenever they have a show which features children, they seem to go out of their way to get one of each ethnic origin just to be super politically correct just so they teach about diversity. Nothing wrong with that but they do seem to obsess about it a lot.

    Children's programmes don't always have to be educational. Sometimes they can just be fun and entertaining but the BBC seem overly obsessed with making sure that almost every programme they make for children has to teach them something. When I was young we had programmes like Mr Benn, The Flumps and Pigeon Street but now it's all 'let's learn something'.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,611
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    Didn't Mr. Benn teach us about history and geography?

    I've often hung around in costume outfitters waiting for the shopkeeper to magically appear...
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    alan29alan29 Posts: 34,647
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    OP is quite right. Much better to have ignorant and uneducated kids.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,310
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    I have also noticed that whenever they have a show that features children they seem to go out their way to include female children just to be super politically correct about it so they teach about equality. Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that but they do seem to obsess about it quite a lot.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    The other thing I don't get about Cbeebies is all those continuity presenters. Are they really necessary? Why do they need to have someone to faff around waffle on for 20 seconds between each programme? Seems like a total waste of licence payer's money.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    alan29 wrote: »
    OP is quite right. Much better to have ignorant and uneducated kids.

    Point is it's not up to the BBC to make sure my child has an education. That should be the parent and teacher's responsibility. Although I see that some parents might see this as a lazy way to educate their kids. Sit them in front of Cbeebies all day.

    I'm more than capable of ensuring my child has a well rounded, educated and fun upbringing and knowing what time to put him to bed without Auntie beeb having to teach me. You don't see other tv channels doing it.

    I'm pretty sure that allowing my son to watch Nickleodeon isn't gonna make him turn out to be ignorant and uneducated.
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    Shrike wrote: »
    Teaching our kids FOREIGNESS!!!! >:(

    How very dare they! someone call the UKIPs!
    >:(

    I presume he would prefer them to watch cheap American cartoons on other channels.

    Let's hope he does not come across the children's programmes on BBC Alba or BBC Cymru!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 48
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    The Wizard wrote: »
    Point is it's not up to the BBC to make sure my child has an education. That should be the parent and teacher's responsibility. Although I see that some parents might see this as a lazy way to educate their kids. Sit them in front of Cbeebies all day.

    I'm more than capable of ensuring my child has a well rounded, educated and fun upbringing and knowing what time to put him to bed without Auntie beeb having to teach me. You don't see other tv channels doing it.

    I'm pretty sure that allowing my son to watch Nickleodeon isn't gonna make him turn out to be ignorant and uneducated.

    As you mentioned in your original post, there are other channels offering kids entertainment. If you don't want your kids watching the Beebs education/ entertainment offerings then put on another channel.

    Choice is a wonderful thing.
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    JohnnyForgetJohnnyForget Posts: 24,061
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    I'm grateful to the BBC for giving me a much better education than my school ever did, and I went to a pretty good school.

    Long may they continue to educate, inform and, of course, entertain.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    Because its part of the licence fee agreement.

    And part of their Charter obligations as a PSB broadcaster.
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,309
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    The Wizard wrote: »
    Point is it's not up to the BBC to make sure my child has an education. That should be the parent and teacher's responsibility. Although I see that some parents might see this as a lazy way to educate their kids. Sit them in front of Cbeebies all day.
    So it's your choice to exercise parental responsibility as you see fit.

    If you don't want your children watching Cbeebies, you don't let them - that's freedom of choice.


    But is it up to you to dictate what other parents are able to do, or what the BBC (as instructed by its Charter) has to do (and thus restrict freedom of choice)?
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    Is this a brilliant satire of the typical anti-BBC Daily Mail article?
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    petelypetely Posts: 2,994
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    The Wizard wrote: »
    TV is supposed to be there to entertain us not home education.
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    There's hardly a programme on Cbeebies that doesn't attempt to ram the BBC education curriculum down my child's throat. This is supposed to be a children's tv channel not nanny tv.
    Crikey! Why so hostile? Personally I think it's a good thing that children are getting some education - given how poor most parents are at the craft of child-rearing (despite what they might think: being "loving" and giving them everything they desire is NOT the same as a good up-bringing).
    As it is, small children are so impressionable (as are a lot of adults) that *anything* they watch will "educate" them in some way. They will mimick, learn from and normalise everything they see. And dropping a bit of literacy in the mix can't be anything but good. If it promotes the desire to learn, that's even better.
    The Wizard wrote: »
    Point is it's not up to the BBC to make sure my child has an education. That should be the parent and teacher's responsibility.
    Yeah, but they do such a bad job of it. In the end, society has a vested interest in having educated, law-abiding, good citizens, Parents and teachers don't do this, so at least the BBC is making some contribution.
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    The WizardThe Wizard Posts: 11,071
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    So it's your choice to exercise parental responsibility as you see fit.

    If you don't want your children watching Cbeebies, you don't let them - that's freedom of choice.


    But is it up to you to dictate what other parents are able to do, or what the BBC (as instructed by its Charter) has to do (and thus restrict freedom of choice)?

    I haven't dictated anything. I'm questioning it which as a licence fee payer I feel I should have a right to do.

    I'm a big BBC watcher and support the licence fee as I think the BBC is fantastic value for money and I love the fact that I can get a bit of culture and infomative tv compared to other channels. However, I do feel that BBC children's programming relies too heavily on educating our kids and trying to act like a 3rd parent and it is pretty much wall to wall educational and informative programming. I think they go too far with it tbh.
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    beemohbeemoh Posts: 7,073
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    The Wizard wrote: »
    The other thing I don't get about Cbeebies is all those continuity presenters. Are they really necessary? Why do they need to have someone to faff around waffle on for 20 seconds between each programme? Seems like a total waste of licence payer's money.

    I should imagine it's partly to fill time (I'm not familiar enough with Cbeebies' content, but does it show many imports that may have had their ad breaks removed?) and partly to do stuff that doesn't require a full thirty minute show- one of my memories of CBBC, certainly in the mornings, was when they did the birthdays- it's a nice, more personal touch you don't get with other kids' channels that wouldn't stretch to a complete show.
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    VerenceVerence Posts: 104,604
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    It's not as if this a new thing. When I was at primary school we watched Look and Read to help with literacy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_and_Read

    Then there was an ITV programme called How We Used To Live

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_We_Used_To_Live
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    JeffersonJefferson Posts: 3,736
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    Pasty face wrote: »
    My kids love those programmes, mr maker, something special, Justin's house, show me. I don't like the lingo show. These shows are good as they mix fun with learning. I don't see anything nanny about it.

    I've often wondered why they don't have the brilliant school progs of years ago (in the morning). Is this channel supposed to take its place. And is it anywhere near as good?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 375
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    Yes I remember the programmes years ago, mr Ben, the untied shoe lace show, Jamie and the magic torch, bagpus. A Saturday morning was full of kids programmes when we were younger.
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    DeltaBluesDeltaBlues Posts: 4,256
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    vidalia wrote: »
    I have also noticed that whenever they have a show that features children they seem to go out their way to include female children just to be super politically correct about it so they teach about equality. Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that but they do seem to obsess about it quite a lot.

    Yes, fancy including that pesky other half of the population...
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    Jesse PinkmanJesse Pinkman Posts: 5,794
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    Christ! Someone has to!

    The contestant on Deal Or No Deal tonight just could not pronounce anything in the 'teens' correct and as for "Fur-een", I almost smashed the TV.

    However , he did seem so proud to have knocked out a kid with a girl he wasn't married to. So if 'Daddy' can't speak correctly, it should be left to the BBC to give his son the education that he didn't have.
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