I am actually really hoping it's because she was so underweight and dieting to such extremes - some people can live like that for decades, others just die due to heart strain very young - but now, knowing the husband and boys were all out of the house, I do fear she maybe used something just as a little "treat". The only thing that makes it seem less likely is that if she took a drug and overdosed (easy for a former user to do), there would have been evidence right beside her.
I am also wondering, given they lived in farmland, if she was somehow exposed to a biotoxin, though you would expect the husband and boys to have the same exposures. The police have certainly been taking a lot of stuff off the property to check.
If she had been doing some extreme dieting, which weakened her system and was then exposed to a biotoxin it might explain why the rest of the family is fine. Might also fit with the family being out, if she wasn't feeling well they might have left to given her the chance to sleep in quiet.
I have stayed out of this discussion for a while as some people on here seem unable to understand the nuances of my previous comments regarding the death of this unfortunate lady.
It is not 'nasty' or 'mean' to say that faux gruel is distasteful. Just because I have an opinion on this, does not mean I cannot feel empathy for her family - I can.
This thread has now turned from the calling of 'tragedy, tragedy' to speculation about her diet being the cause of her death. That is what this is really about for most people - not fake condolences, but the need to speculate on her death.
When Paula died, he had to cope with the lose of the mother of his three children, took on her child, and had to deal with the grief that all those children were feeling. He has always stated that he loved Paula and was distraught at her death.
He is the one who has lost his mother at a young age, his ex-wife and his daughter. He is the adopted father who will have to help Tixie deal with losing yet another member of her close family (father, mother and sister).
He really has lost a lot.
He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
I have stayed out of this discussion for a while as some people on here seem unable to understand the nuances of my previous comments regarding the death of this unfortunate lady.
It is not 'nasty' or 'mean' to say that faux gruel is distasteful. Just because I have an opinion on this, does not mean I cannot feel empathy for her family - I can.
This thread has now turned from the calling of 'tragedy, tragedy' to speculation about her diet being the cause of her death. That is what this is really about for most people - not fake condolences, but the need to speculate on her death.
I felt a fleeting pity for her and her family but didn't know her or them in my real life , so went about my day as normal. I've seen this type of thing described as "porn grief" People who dont know her or people who even disliked her suddenly becoming very "upset" over it. I am not a hard person but wont display fake grief over something that does not affect me in anyway shape or form.
Then it goes from grief to dissecting every little detail, looking for clues. Playing Armchair detectives with real peoples lives. If you read the Soap forum you will see the same type of posts all the time about fictional people.
I felt a fleeting pity for her and her family but didn't know her or them in my real life , so went about my day as normal. I've seen this type of thing described as "porn grief" People who dont know her or people who even disliked her suddenly becoming very "upset" over it. I am not a hard person but wont display fake grief over something that does not affect me in anyway shape or form.
Then it goes from grief to dissecting every little detail, looking for clues. Playing Armchair detectives with real peoples lives. If you read the Soap forum you will see the same type of posts all the time about fictional people.
Sadness for someone and their family is different to grief. People here and on other forums have a right to express their sadness at the death of a young mother in the public eye. People were genuinely shocked too and expressed this. I have never heard of the term you use there.
Sadness for someone and their family is different to grief. People here and on other forums have a right to express their sadness at the death of a young mother in the public eye. People were genuinely shocked too and expressed this. I have never heard of the term you use there.
The term "grief porn" is favoured by those who wish to seem aloof and "edgy" about something like this. The excuse often given for being so "edgy" is, apparently, to "highlight the hypocrisy" or some other dribble like that.
Basically the sort of anally retentive, smug arses who would likely complain to the manager if they found you sitting in their seat in an otherwise empty cinema.
Sadness for someone and their family is different to grief. People here and on other forums have a right to express their sadness at the death of a young mother in the public eye. People were genuinely shocked too and expressed this. I have never heard of the term you use there.
I totally agree. I don't understand where these claims of posters "grieving" are coming from.
From what I've seen no-one is professing to be grieving for Peaches, what people are expressing is their sadness for a young mother who has passed away way before her time and expressing sadness for two little babies who have lost their mummy.
People are expressing sadness because it is incredibly sad.
I totally agree. I don't understand where these claims of posters "grieving" are coming from.
From what I've seen no-one is professing to be grieving for Peaches, what people are expressing is their sadness for a young mother who has passed away way before her time and expressing sadness for two little babies who have lost their mummy.
People are expressing sadness because it is incredibly sad.
Exactly. To my mind there is something wrong with someone who doesn't find the death of a young woman, who had two young children, sad. But, as always on DS, there are people who want to pour scorn on those that choose to express their sadness at the news. I think they are trying to convey some sort of superiority that they are not prone to the same emotions as the rest of us.
As others have said too, the death of Peaches has particular poignancy for those of us who remember her being born, and all the trials and tribulations of her family.
However, it is not grief - that belongs to her friends and family - but expressing sadness at what IS undoubtedly a sad situation.
He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
Well, I'd hate to read a critique of someone you hated:o
No-one is suggesting he is a saint; and I agree with a lot of your points about Live Aid etc. That doesn't detract from the fact that he has lost his young daughter which IMHO is pretty damn sad.
I went to secondary school with her husband, so the news of her death has really hit me hard, as I know it has a lot of my friends. None of us had spoken to Tom since school, but we've all always kept an eye out for him in the media, and they seemed to be a very happy, loving couple, and great parents to two seemingly lovely little boys.
Why people feel the need to make jokes about a young mother dying, I don't know. I've not read this thread, so have no clue if it has happened here, but I have seen some floating around on social media. There is nothing remotely funny about this. I also don't know why some people have an issue with others feeling sad about it, whether they knew the people involved or not. It's not faux sadness, it's real sadness, and it's ok for people to feel sad about it.
Exactly. To my mind there is something wrong with someone who doesn't find the death of a young woman, who had two young children, sad. But, as always on DS, there are people who want to pour scorn on those that choose to express their sadness at the news. I think they are trying to convey some sort of superiority that they are not prone to the same emotions as the rest of us.
As others have said too, the death of Peaches has particular poignancy for those of us who remember her being born, and all the trials and tribulations of her family.
However, it is not grief - that belongs to her friends and family - but expressing sadness at what IS undoubtedly a sad situation.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
I don't agree.
I didn't have much time for Peaches Geldof when she was a 'party girl' and said as much on here at the time. In recent years she seemed to have settled down and seemed content. Whatever my personal opinion was of her, I can still feel empathy at her passing. IMHO it is sad that a 25 year old woman has left 2 babies Motherless.
It was the same when Jade Goody died. Goody was a very unpleasant woman IMHO but her death was sad.
It is possible to decompartmentalise things you know - nothing is black and white.
No-one is canonising her or pretending she was a 'worthwhile' celebrity but we can see that her passing is very, very sad.
If we were posting 'I loved Peaches and never criticised her when she was alive' that would be nonsense. Well, for me, anyway.
I didn't have much time for Peaches Geldof when she was a 'party girl' and said as much on here at the time. In recent years she seemed to have settled down and seemed content. Whatever my personal opinion was of her, I can still feel empathy at her passing. IMHO it is sad that a 25 year old woman has left 2 babies Motherless.
It was the same when Jade Goody died. Goody was a very unpleasant woman IMHO but her death was sad.
It is possible to decompartmentalise things you know - nothing is black and white.
No-one is canonising her or pretending she was a 'worthwhile' celebrity but we can see that her passing is very, very sad.
If we were posting 'I loved Peaches and never criticised her when she was alive' that would be nonsense. Well, for me, anyway.
2 different issues.
I very much doubt the either she or her family would want the faux sympathy of people who were disrespectful to her in life. If you are sad, you are doing it for your own sake and not hers.
How noble of you to feel sad for her and her family.
He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
I'm not sure that people make Bob out to be a 'saint' I think that moniker came from his knighthood. Whilst I do agree that Bob seemed to be the figurehead for Live Aid, I was always aware that Midge Ure was an equal part of it, I think it was just that Bob was more vocal whilst on TV etc.
I very much doubt the either she or her family would want the faux sympathy of people who were disrespectful to her in life. If you are sad, you are doing it for your own sake and not hers.
How noble of you to feel sad for her and her family.
It's not "noble", is it not human nature to feel sad for a family dealing with such a loss, regardless of your thoughts on PG?
I very much doubt the either she or her family would want the faux sympathy of people who were disrespectful to her in life. If you are sad, you are doing it for your own sake and not hers.
How noble of you to feel sad for her and her family.
And how VERY noble of you to continue your embittered crusade against 'grief porn' and 'faux sympathy'.
I'm sure the Geldof family have better things to do than read this thread, but if they do, would probably appreciate the honesty of people who express sadness even though they were never 'fans'.
They broke into the BBC 6'O'Clock news to report on this.
Whilst it is tragic news for her family and friends I thought that was taking it too far.
Why? The news will happily bang on about Kate and Will and what exactly George did today, and devote a rather lengthy segment to football, every day. Why shouldn't they report on this? Everything the news tells you is information they spoon feed you, that they think appeals to the largest demographic.
There is a lot more going on in the world that the news will never tell you, as they pick and choose which deaths to report and which ones to leave out. Some people seem to think the news is everything that happened in the world that day. It's more a collection of events they think the largest amount of the public are interested in. That's why we have to hear about Kate and Will, that's why we have to hear them over-analysing football, that's why, occasionally, the death of a young, minor celebrity can interrupt proceedings. It's all about the level of interest.
As I said to another poster here, if you want to know the news, go out and find it for yourself, research your own stories, because you certainly will not be getting a balanced and reflective view of everything that is happening from the media, that's for sure. In short, I find it odd people would get so snooty about the news reporting this, without having a problem with pretty much everything else the news chooses to report.
I very much doubt the either she or her family would want the of people who were disrespectful to her in life. If you are sad, you are doing it for your own sake and not hers.
How noble of you to feel sad for her and her family.
I find that quite shocking.:o
My heart goes out to Peaches' family and that is stated without a shred of 'faux sympathy'.
I very much doubt the either she or her family would want the faux sympathy of people who were disrespectful to her in life. If you are sad, you are doing it for your own sake and not hers.
How noble of you to feel sad for her and her family.
Some pople need to get down off their high horses.
People's sadness at the death of a young woman leaving two babies behind who will never know her is what's sad about this situation. If DS and Twitter et al didn't exist the sadness felt would be expressed in other places so don't fall into the trap of believing sympathy and empathy don't exist or never have.
The term "grief porn" is favoured by those who wish to seem aloof and "edgy" about something like this. The excuse often given for being so "edgy" is, apparently, to "highlight the hypocrisy" or some other dribble like that.
Basically the sort of anally retentive, smug arses who would likely complain to the manager if they found you sitting in their seat in an otherwise empty cinema.
Agreed, it's pretentious rubbish. 'Grief porn' has to be one of the most stupid terms of the internet generation. Rather than just accepting empathy as a normal human emotion and give a respectful reaction to a tragic death, some people feel the need to go on a crusade about why it's hypocritical, or why it isn't a tragedy, or complain about it even being in the news. It shows nothing else other than a lack of maturity. It's like those westboro baptist church nutters that picket peoples funerals. They're so caught up in their own wacko agendas, they forget to bring any humanity.
Well, I'd hate to read a critique of someone you hated:o
No-one is suggesting he is a saint; and I agree with a lot of your points about Live Aid etc. That doesn't detract from the fact that he has lost his young daughter which IMHO is pretty damn sad.
I already said it was very sad for him right at the begining of that post. That wasnt my critique that was what his ex wife and daughter said of him.
Most people can feel empathy for others, which we see on this thread. People can put themselves in the shoes of others who are suffering, or at least begin to imagine what it would be like for their children/dad/spouse.
Some people can't feel empathy, which isnt a good thing for society or their own relationships.
Sadness for someone and their family is different to grief. People here and on other forums have a right to express their sadness at the death of a young mother in the public eye. People were genuinely shocked too and expressed this. I have never heard of the term you use there.
I agree. No one is displaying 'grief' on here, they are displaying sympathy and regret for someone's life ending at such a young age. They are also expressing shock that the Geldof family have been hit by yet another sudden and premature death. And of course people are going to speculate when a celebrity dies suddenly for an unexplained reason. It annoys me when people go around taking the high ground on this. It's a normal human reaction, in the same way that if a neighbour dropped dead people would discuss and speculate.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
No it's not hypocritical. I don't think Peaches Geldof was a saint or a great role model and I'm not even convinced that in ten years time she would still have been a happily married mum living in rural Kent. I think it's equally likely she would have grown restless with that phase of her life and moved on to something else. But that doesn't stop me feeling sorry that a 25 year old mother, daughter, wife and sister has died and that a family already hit by more than one tragic death now has this great sadness to deal with.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
Weird you'd pretend to know what everyone's opinions were before. I remember defending Peaches when she presented BBLB and quite a few people were slagging her off, just for breathing air it seemed.
Not everyone disliked her. I didn't mind her or was indifferent. I also think though, that even if someone disliked her, they can still have the maturity to leave a respectful comment when she dies suddenly at 25. Also, some of the people who disliked her when she was younger have said they thought she'd grown up a lot recently, so opinions can change.
As I mentioned earlier, it's not like she was some major controversial figure. She was totally harmless, and so what if some people had a little snipe at her when she was alive because they found her a bit annoying, that doesn't mean they can't post condolences now, and it certainly doesn't make someone hypocritical.
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If she had been doing some extreme dieting, which weakened her system and was then exposed to a biotoxin it might explain why the rest of the family is fine. Might also fit with the family being out, if she wasn't feeling well they might have left to given her the chance to sleep in quiet.
It is not 'nasty' or 'mean' to say that faux gruel is distasteful. Just because I have an opinion on this, does not mean I cannot feel empathy for her family - I can.
This thread has now turned from the calling of 'tragedy, tragedy' to speculation about her diet being the cause of her death. That is what this is really about for most people - not fake condolences, but the need to speculate on her death.
This is a good article: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/09/peaches-geldof-synthetic-grief-celebrity-downfall
He lost his mum and now his daughter. Its all very sad and I feel for him, but he still didn't lose his ex wife she wasnt his wife anymore and he had a new partner and had done since the split years before.
Peaches herself said he was a embittered man. Paula said he was very dominant and Victorian father like figure in a lot of his outlook and she rebelled like a child in the end.
He even made the children go to school when Paula died. They never grieved in the way they should have.
He isnt a saint like so many on here seem to think. He is a normal man who made many mistakes.
He was fine to take ALL the kudos for live aid and never reminding people that Midge Ure was just as much a head man as he was.. Midge was pushed out by the media and Bob did nothing to stop that and was happy to take all the praise for it, that says a lot to me.
I like Bob but IMO he really isnt the saint people make him out to be and never was.
I felt a fleeting pity for her and her family but didn't know her or them in my real life , so went about my day as normal. I've seen this type of thing described as "porn grief" People who dont know her or people who even disliked her suddenly becoming very "upset" over it. I am not a hard person but wont display fake grief over something that does not affect me in anyway shape or form.
Then it goes from grief to dissecting every little detail, looking for clues. Playing Armchair detectives with real peoples lives. If you read the Soap forum you will see the same type of posts all the time about fictional people.
The term "grief porn" is favoured by those who wish to seem aloof and "edgy" about something like this. The excuse often given for being so "edgy" is, apparently, to "highlight the hypocrisy" or some other dribble like that.
Basically the sort of anally retentive, smug arses who would likely complain to the manager if they found you sitting in their seat in an otherwise empty cinema.
I totally agree. I don't understand where these claims of posters "grieving" are coming from.
From what I've seen no-one is professing to be grieving for Peaches, what people are expressing is their sadness for a young mother who has passed away way before her time and expressing sadness for two little babies who have lost their mummy.
People are expressing sadness because it is incredibly sad.
Exactly. To my mind there is something wrong with someone who doesn't find the death of a young woman, who had two young children, sad. But, as always on DS, there are people who want to pour scorn on those that choose to express their sadness at the news. I think they are trying to convey some sort of superiority that they are not prone to the same emotions as the rest of us.
As others have said too, the death of Peaches has particular poignancy for those of us who remember her being born, and all the trials and tribulations of her family.
However, it is not grief - that belongs to her friends and family - but expressing sadness at what IS undoubtedly a sad situation.
Well, I'd hate to read a critique of someone you hated:o
No-one is suggesting he is a saint; and I agree with a lot of your points about Live Aid etc. That doesn't detract from the fact that he has lost his young daughter which IMHO is pretty damn sad.
Why people feel the need to make jokes about a young mother dying, I don't know. I've not read this thread, so have no clue if it has happened here, but I have seen some floating around on social media. There is nothing remotely funny about this. I also don't know why some people have an issue with others feeling sad about it, whether they knew the people involved or not. It's not faux sadness, it's real sadness, and it's ok for people to feel sad about it.
You can find it sad, yes. That does not mean that you have to accept the almost complete turnaround of posters on what they thought of Peaches now she is dead. Many posters on here are expressing sadness where if she had been still alive would be expressing other sentiments entirely. It's hypocritical.
I don't agree.
I didn't have much time for Peaches Geldof when she was a 'party girl' and said as much on here at the time. In recent years she seemed to have settled down and seemed content. Whatever my personal opinion was of her, I can still feel empathy at her passing. IMHO it is sad that a 25 year old woman has left 2 babies Motherless.
It was the same when Jade Goody died. Goody was a very unpleasant woman IMHO but her death was sad.
It is possible to decompartmentalise things you know - nothing is black and white.
No-one is canonising her or pretending she was a 'worthwhile' celebrity but we can see that her passing is very, very sad.
If we were posting 'I loved Peaches and never criticised her when she was alive' that would be nonsense. Well, for me, anyway.
2 different issues.
I very much doubt the either she or her family would want the faux sympathy of people who were disrespectful to her in life. If you are sad, you are doing it for your own sake and not hers.
How noble of you to feel sad for her and her family.
I'm not sure that people make Bob out to be a 'saint' I think that moniker came from his knighthood. Whilst I do agree that Bob seemed to be the figurehead for Live Aid, I was always aware that Midge Ure was an equal part of it, I think it was just that Bob was more vocal whilst on TV etc.
It's not "noble", is it not human nature to feel sad for a family dealing with such a loss, regardless of your thoughts on PG?
And how VERY noble of you to continue your embittered crusade against 'grief porn' and 'faux sympathy'.
I'm sure the Geldof family have better things to do than read this thread, but if they do, would probably appreciate the honesty of people who express sadness even though they were never 'fans'.
Why? The news will happily bang on about Kate and Will and what exactly George did today, and devote a rather lengthy segment to football, every day. Why shouldn't they report on this? Everything the news tells you is information they spoon feed you, that they think appeals to the largest demographic.
There is a lot more going on in the world that the news will never tell you, as they pick and choose which deaths to report and which ones to leave out. Some people seem to think the news is everything that happened in the world that day. It's more a collection of events they think the largest amount of the public are interested in. That's why we have to hear about Kate and Will, that's why we have to hear them over-analysing football, that's why, occasionally, the death of a young, minor celebrity can interrupt proceedings. It's all about the level of interest.
As I said to another poster here, if you want to know the news, go out and find it for yourself, research your own stories, because you certainly will not be getting a balanced and reflective view of everything that is happening from the media, that's for sure. In short, I find it odd people would get so snooty about the news reporting this, without having a problem with pretty much everything else the news chooses to report.
I find that quite shocking.:o
My heart goes out to Peaches' family and that is stated without a shred of 'faux sympathy'.
Some pople need to get down off their high horses.
People's sadness at the death of a young woman leaving two babies behind who will never know her is what's sad about this situation. If DS and Twitter et al didn't exist the sadness felt would be expressed in other places so don't fall into the trap of believing sympathy and empathy don't exist or never have.
Agreed, it's pretentious rubbish. 'Grief porn' has to be one of the most stupid terms of the internet generation. Rather than just accepting empathy as a normal human emotion and give a respectful reaction to a tragic death, some people feel the need to go on a crusade about why it's hypocritical, or why it isn't a tragedy, or complain about it even being in the news. It shows nothing else other than a lack of maturity. It's like those westboro baptist church nutters that picket peoples funerals. They're so caught up in their own wacko agendas, they forget to bring any humanity.
Some people can't feel empathy, which isnt a good thing for society or their own relationships.
I agree. No one is displaying 'grief' on here, they are displaying sympathy and regret for someone's life ending at such a young age. They are also expressing shock that the Geldof family have been hit by yet another sudden and premature death. And of course people are going to speculate when a celebrity dies suddenly for an unexplained reason. It annoys me when people go around taking the high ground on this. It's a normal human reaction, in the same way that if a neighbour dropped dead people would discuss and speculate.
No it's not hypocritical. I don't think Peaches Geldof was a saint or a great role model and I'm not even convinced that in ten years time she would still have been a happily married mum living in rural Kent. I think it's equally likely she would have grown restless with that phase of her life and moved on to something else. But that doesn't stop me feeling sorry that a 25 year old mother, daughter, wife and sister has died and that a family already hit by more than one tragic death now has this great sadness to deal with.
Weird you'd pretend to know what everyone's opinions were before. I remember defending Peaches when she presented BBLB and quite a few people were slagging her off, just for breathing air it seemed.
Not everyone disliked her. I didn't mind her or was indifferent. I also think though, that even if someone disliked her, they can still have the maturity to leave a respectful comment when she dies suddenly at 25. Also, some of the people who disliked her when she was younger have said they thought she'd grown up a lot recently, so opinions can change.
As I mentioned earlier, it's not like she was some major controversial figure. She was totally harmless, and so what if some people had a little snipe at her when she was alive because they found her a bit annoying, that doesn't mean they can't post condolences now, and it certainly doesn't make someone hypocritical.