They're pretty clean on the whole and you don't have to touch much
Motorway service loos are amongst the best ... usually always spotless and therefore less germy
I might write a book on this .. I had no idea I even had thoughts about it
The problem is when you have to open a door after washing your hands. I bet the loo door handle is full of germs. So many people don't even bother to wash their hands
The mountain that Nel made out of the "kicking the door" molehill was ludicrous. It was an off-the-cuff remark by Pistorius, a moment of speculation, that the intruders might've kicked the door shut as they left. Clearly in his mind he believed the door was slammed and was stupid to deny the "kicked" comment some minutes later. But really, it's worthless stuff for the prosecution.
I thought he had said "clicked" shut when I listened to that part he would be correct in asserting that he never said "kicked" if so
Would they have been told not to watch any media related stuff about the case?.
IIRC one of the male witnesses admitted he'd been following the case before his testimony was heard (the friend who was in the car with OP and his girlfriend re shooting through the sun roof episode) - if I'm wrong there'll be someone to correct me hopefully.
They're pretty clean on the whole and you don't have to touch much
Motorway service loos are amongst the best ... usually always spotless and therefore less germy
I might write a book on this .. I had no idea I even had thoughts about it
A motorway good loo guide would be helpful!
You could then move on to public loos in specified areas.......although don't envy you the research.
We used to have an excellent public loo in the town where I live.
The attendant took great pride in it. It was absolutely sparkling clean, sweet smelling and she even put fresh flowers in every cubicle..............then the council closed it >:(
He specifically said that the sound was wood on wood, not the sound of metal. Don't forget he needs to prove that he felt under threat to try and justify shooting, hence saying that he thought the door was being opened.
Well, we don't know what the key turning in that lock sounds like, or whether it can be silent.
Also, it's about his perception. Seeing as he has already made loads of blunders that night, his perception was not at it's most accurate.
I mean for instance, if he was really intent on thinking there was an intruder, one might think that he would have listened very closely after hearing the window opening to see if he could hear the sound of someone squeezing through and dropping to the floor.
A motorway good loo guide would be helpful! You could then move on to public loos in specified areas.......although don't envy you the research.
We used to have an excellent public loo in the town where I live.
The attendant took great pride in it. It was absolutely sparkling clean, sweet smelling and she even put fresh flowers in every cubicle..............then the council closed it >:(
Bad luck if you're desperate and the next decent loo is 20 miles away in the next town, think I'd rather wet myself than use a dirty loo
The problem is when you have to open a door after washing your hands. I bet the loo door handle is full of germs. So many people don't even bother to wash their hands
Quite ... you often see them sailing straight out. They might even be going back to the cafeteria to serve you your drink It's a minefield out there .. we're very brave
Quite ... you often see them sailing straight out. They might even be going back to the cafeteria to serve you your drink It's a minefield out there .. we're very brave
I admit when eating in restaurants and the waiter puts the food in front of me, the thought goes through my head 'I wonder if the chef washed his hands after going to the toilet' Ponders am I a little OCD?
This is my first time posting on this thread as I haven't been able to follow the trial at all because I am at work during the day.
I had a day off on Thursday and I watched a bit of the trial on Sky news...I have to say, from the very small part I have managed to witness of this trial IMO the man is as guilty as sin.
A motorway good loo guide would be helpful!
You could then move on to public loos in specified areas.......although don't envy you the research.
We used to have an excellent public loo in the town where I live.
The attendant took great pride in it. It was absolutely sparkling clean, sweet smelling and she even put fresh flowers in every cubicle..............then the council closed it >:(
Typical >:( Bet the council office loos are lovely though >:(
Could do research during my holidays .. couldn't be worse than last year's
One tip though NEVER use the loos in Paris Gare du Nord or in Oscar Pistorius's house ... that will be in my foreward
I admit when eating in restaurants and the waiter puts the food in front of me, the thought goes through my head 'I wonder if the chef washed his hands after going to the toilet' Ponders am I a little OCD?
Are you lining up tins of beans .. labels all forward facing? That's my yardstick
This is my first time posting on this thread as I haven't been able to follow the trial at all because I am at work during the day.
I had a day off on Thursday and I watched a bit of the trial on Sky news...I have to say, from the very small part I have managed to witness of this trial IMO the man is as guilty as sin.
Most people who just watch the highlights presented by the news seem to draw the same conclusion as you.
There are some of us who watch live every day, and forensically examine all the evidence presented, still think that the prosecution has yet to prove his guilt.......not many 'tis true, but there is room for doubt as the length of this thread proves.
I admit when eating in restaurants and the waiter puts the food in front of me, the thought goes through my head 'I wonder if the chef washed his hands after going to the toilet' Ponders am I a little OCD?
I saw a programme a while back where they swabbed the plates that food had been served on in different restaurants....many of them tested positive for faecal matter.
Slight change of subject, but it surprises me to see people drinking directly out of beer bottles. Not only have they been handled by umpteen people but they have probably had mice, rats and a variety of insects crawling over them and peeing on them or worse.
Typical >:( Bet the council office loos are lovely though >:(
Could do research during my holidays .. couldn't be worse than last year's
One tip though NEVER use the loos in Paris Gare du Nord or in Oscar Pistorius's house ... that will be in my foreward
:Good plan.
I could give you lots of Paris loo stories
I'm not mentioning why he was carrying her (go back over the 4 or 5 different parts of this thread and you will see that has been done to death); I'm questioning why he stated in his testimony he can't remember carrying her from the bathroom to the top of the stairs until the moment the Standers entered the property. He has a very selective memory.
In his actual testimony he said he fired by accident and never intended to shoot at, or kill, anybody. He is not claiming self-defence, he is claiming 'accidental shooting'. Have you listened to the trial or read the thread?
Semantics. It's the same story really, and it's very easy to understand.
We can't actually know what happened because the forensic and circumstantial evidence are inconclusive. So we only have the defendants recount of events.
He may have killed her deliberately but so far it is a million miles from proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's more believable than he deliberately blew her away because they had a row.
Excusing, of course, those who predetermined the outcome to enable the enjoyment salacious and nasty gossip.
Given that the statistics in S Africa for femicide indicate that women are far more likely to be murderd by their partner than being mistaken for an intruder. But don't let facts get in the way of your slightly hysterical self righteous indignation, especially as you are very keen to comment in a thread discussing the case.
In cross examination Prof Botha said Symmond culd be right Reeva had a meal within 2hrs of death, but because of variations of gastric emptying Botha couldn't say 2 or 5 hrs. He also said he would expect normal gastric emptying within 4-6 hrs.
Oscar asserted it was 8hrs before her death that Reeva had her last meal.
I saw a programme a while back where they swabbed the plates that food had been served on in different restaurants....many of them tested positive for faecal matter.
Slight change of subject, but it surprises me to see people drinking directly out of beer bottles. Not only have they been handled by umpteen people but they have probably had mice, rats and a variety of insects crawling over them and peeing on them or worse.
Out of unwashed cans, even worse, but I take your point.
In cross examination Prof Botha said Symmond culd be right Reeva had a meal within 2hrs of death, but because of variations of gastric emptying Botha couldn't say 2 or 5 hrs. He also said he would expect normal gastric emptying within 4-6 hrs.
Oscar asserted it was 8hrs before her death that Reeva had her last meal.
When asked Botha said it would be safe to do an endoscopy 7 hours after a meal.
There is no way the food testimony fits with OPs evidence.
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It'll be interesting if this, recent, complaint goes any further.
The problem is when you have to open a door after washing your hands. I bet the loo door handle is full of germs. So many people don't even bother to wash their hands
I thought he had said "clicked" shut when I listened to that part
IIRC one of the male witnesses admitted he'd been following the case before his testimony was heard (the friend who was in the car with OP and his girlfriend re shooting through the sun roof episode) - if I'm wrong there'll be someone to correct me hopefully.
A motorway good loo guide would be helpful!
You could then move on to public loos in specified areas.......although don't envy you the research.
We used to have an excellent public loo in the town where I live.
The attendant took great pride in it. It was absolutely sparkling clean, sweet smelling and she even put fresh flowers in every cubicle..............then the council closed it >:(
Well, we don't know what the key turning in that lock sounds like, or whether it can be silent.
Also, it's about his perception. Seeing as he has already made loads of blunders that night, his perception was not at it's most accurate.
I mean for instance, if he was really intent on thinking there was an intruder, one might think that he would have listened very closely after hearing the window opening to see if he could hear the sound of someone squeezing through and dropping to the floor.
Bad luck if you're desperate and the next decent loo is 20 miles away in the next town, think I'd rather wet myself than use a dirty loo
I admit when eating in restaurants and the waiter puts the food in front of me, the thought goes through my head 'I wonder if the chef washed his hands after going to the toilet' Ponders am I a little OCD?
I had a day off on Thursday and I watched a bit of the trial on Sky news...I have to say, from the very small part I have managed to witness of this trial IMO the man is as guilty as sin.
Could do research during my holidays .. couldn't be worse than last year's
One tip though NEVER use the loos in Paris Gare du Nord or in Oscar Pistorius's house ... that will be in my foreward
Most people who just watch the highlights presented by the news seem to draw the same conclusion as you.
There are some of us who watch live every day, and forensically examine all the evidence presented, still think that the prosecution has yet to prove his guilt.......not many 'tis true, but there is room for doubt as the length of this thread proves.
It's more believable than he deliberately blew her away because they had a row.
Excusing, of course, those who predetermined the outcome to enable the enjoyment salacious and nasty gossip.
I saw a programme a while back where they swabbed the plates that food had been served on in different restaurants....many of them tested positive for faecal matter.
Slight change of subject, but it surprises me to see people drinking directly out of beer bottles. Not only have they been handled by umpteen people but they have probably had mice, rats and a variety of insects crawling over them and peeing on them or worse.
:Good plan.
I could give you lots of Paris loo stories
You must be joking......my kitchen cupboards are a mess, and getting worse since OP has been on trial
I think you are confused It simply means that the testimony carries very little weight, unless it supports a view that a person is hell bent on pursuing.
Semantics. It's the same story really, and it's very easy to understand.
We can't actually know what happened because the forensic and circumstantial evidence are inconclusive. So we only have the defendants recount of events.
He may have killed her deliberately but so far it is a million miles from proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Given that the statistics in S Africa for femicide indicate that women are far more likely to be murderd by their partner than being mistaken for an intruder. But don't let facts get in the way of your slightly hysterical self righteous indignation, especially as you are very keen to comment in a thread discussing the case.
Oscar asserted it was 8hrs before her death that Reeva had her last meal.
Have you ever been holding that sort of gun, been scared and fired in a panic?
Out of unwashed cans, even worse, but I take your point.
Is it right they have guided tours of Paris toilets?
'Two Loos Le Trek'
Why is that hard to believe.....three women a day are killed by their partner every day in SA. That's 60 more just since this trial began.
When asked Botha said it would be safe to do an endoscopy 7 hours after a meal.
There is no way the food testimony fits with OPs evidence.