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Council Bans Passion Of The Christ Play Mistaken For Live Sex Show

Regis MagnaeRegis Magnae Posts: 6,810
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/17/labour-council-passion-of_n_5166599.html
Bosses refused to grant the traditional Good Friday production a licence over fears that it could be "committing an offence."

The Passion Play is a dramatic performance of the Passion of the Christ, from the Latin meaning "suffering", and follows his trial, crucifixion and death.

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The bungling staff member whose error led to the cancellation of the Passion Play apologised for her "deeply regrettable" mistake.

Julian Alison, Licensing Team Leader at Oxford City Council, said: "I would like to apologise for a wrong decision that I made late on Friday afternoon in relation to the planned Passion Play on Cowley Road.

"At the time of processing the application, I did not appreciate that this was a religious event. I made a mistake and by the time I realised my mistake, the organisers had cancelled the event.

"I apologise to the organisers of the event and those members of the public who had been looking forward to the event. The Council encourages community events to take place and it is deeply regrettable that this has occurred. Such a mistake will not happen again."

Idiocy from every way I look at it.
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    yellowparkyellowpark Posts: 2,125
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    Acts of suffering, crucifixion and death? that's enough for the show to be banned, think about the children, why do they want to scare them to death?
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    He's made a mistake, and apologised for it.

    What's to discuss ?
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    OvalteenieOvalteenie Posts: 24,169
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    http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11150879.Cowley_Road_Passion_play_off_because_it_had_no_permit_for_crucifixion/

    "You can’t hold a crucifixion these days without a licence."

    Could almost be a quote from Monty Python :D
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    gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    heathens in Oxford.

    who'da thought it.

    be having Winterval next.


    if they want to ban something, why not ban "Ramadan" because it's cruel to make kids go hungry? :D
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    gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    blueblade wrote: »
    He's made a mistake, and apologised for it.

    What's to discuss ?

    because it's far more than a simple mistake. The prat should resign, or be sacked. He isn't fit to be in charge of anything.

    Do they not make enquiries of these things before coming to a considered decision? or is it a left-wing (I assume) politburo that makes it up as it goes along. How did this officer decide that the passion play should not be permitted?
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    EnglishspinnerEnglishspinner Posts: 6,132
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    As far as I can see, the whole "live sex show" angle comes solely from the fevered imagination of one Rev Dick Wolff, a Green Party local councillor. Clearly if you're in a city where those elected are known by their porn star names, I can understand and sympathise with the council official faced with a request involving a half-naked man and a big piece of wood.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    if they want to ban something, why not ban "Ramadan" because it's cruel to make kids go hungry? :D
    "Kids" don't have to observe Ramadan
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    because it's far more than a simple mistake. The prat should resign, or be sacked. He isn't fit to be in charge of anything.

    Do they not make enquiries of these things before coming to a considered decision? or is it a left-wing (I assume) politburo that makes it up as it goes along. How did this officer decide that the passion play should not be permitted?

    So you would sack someone for one mistake, probably made whilst he was under pressure with something else.

    He might have been employed there 25 years for all you know, and you'd dismiss him just for one error, which he subsequently held up his hands to and apologised for ? Sheesh :confused:

    There wouldn't be many employees left anywhere if they were sacked for a single error of judgement.
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    Goblin QueenGoblin Queen Posts: 633
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    Council does something mind-numbingly stupid - news at 11.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 257
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    Wow a thread doesn't go by where some DS member just have to attack anything muslims do. Shame really. DS is clealy going the DM path.
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    getzlsgetzls Posts: 4,007
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    Tas_Has wrote: »
    Wow a thread doesn't go by where some DS member just have to attack anything muslims do. Shame really. DS is clealy going the DM path.

    Can't remember any threads attacking Muslims.
    Islam?
    Now that's different. ;-)
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    dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    Just a simple mistake, I bet loads of people don't know what a passion play is, I certainly didn't until that Mel Gibson film came out.

    The Chief Executive of the council or the departments Senior Director should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for letting a junior manager take the flack in front of the media, they should be the ones apologising and earn their 6 figure salary.
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,267
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    dosanjh1 wrote: »
    Just a simple mistake, I bet loads of people don't know what a passion play is, I certainly didn't until that Mel Gibson film came out.
    But it's not a simple mistake, it's a basic failure to follow processes that would require the decision maker to ascertain the facts in order to make the appropriate decision.
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    dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    tealady wrote: »
    But it's not a simple mistake, it's a basic failure to follow processes that would require the decision maker to ascertain the facts in order to make the appropriate decision.

    A failure yes but we also don't know the full facts, ie what pressure the employee was under, was there a workload issue, were they short of staff etc, etc.

    Whatever - it should be treated as an internal matter, but the councils leaders shouldn't let a junior manager be hung out to dry.
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    talentedmonkeytalentedmonkey Posts: 2,639
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    tealady wrote: »
    But it's not a simple mistake, it's a basic failure to follow processes that would require the decision maker to ascertain the facts in order to make the appropriate decision.

    Exactly, it is sad people do not know what a Passion Play is at Easter, but that is not the point and should not be the point.

    What if someone really was putting on a sex show or some other depraved filth, what if it was called, The Teddy Bear Picnic. Would this have been rubber stamped simply because it sounded nice?
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    Tas_Has wrote: »
    Wow a thread doesn't go by where some DS member just have to attack anything muslims do. Shame really. DS is clealy going the DM path.

    This is kind of true, but I can't see anything about Muslims in this story.
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    tealadytealady Posts: 26,267
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    dosanjh1 wrote: »
    A failure yes but we also don't know the full facts, ie what pressure the employee was under, was there a workload issue, were they short of staff etc, etc.

    Whatever - it should be treated as an internal matter, but the councils leaders shouldn't let a junior manager be hung out to dry.
    So if the licencing team allowed someone to get a taxi licence even if they had a criminal record of assault that could be put down as a simple error under pressure?
    You might want to look up what licences councils issue and why due diligence is important.
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    irishguyirishguy Posts: 22,172
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    tealady wrote: »
    So if the licencing team allowed someone to get a taxi licence even if they had a criminal record of assault that could be put down as a simple error under pressure?
    You might want to look up what licences councils issue and why due diligence is important.

    I'd imagine the verification processes and checks that go into granting a taxi license are a bit more stringent than granting a one off performance license for a play

    Yeah, the guy messed up. Can't believe he realistically thought it was going to be a sex show though..... the counciller who came out with that theory is, I bet, in a rival party. Unfortunately the council statement doesn't say why they denied the license..... so the mistake may not have been as bad to warrant the guy getting fired.
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    having seen the photos I think the mistake is somewhat understandable.
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    I could understand it if the councillor thought Mel Gibson was going to be involved. Especially if they were Jewish.
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    3Sheets2TheWind3Sheets2TheWind Posts: 3,028
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    dosanjh1 wrote: »
    Just a simple mistake, I bet loads of people don't know what a passion play is, I certainly didn't until that Mel Gibson film came out.

    The Chief Executive of the council or the departments Senior Director should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for letting a junior manager take the flack in front of the media, they should be the ones apologising and earn their 6 figure salary.

    You don't need to be a religious expert to know that a passion play, especially one that will be performed over Easter, is about Jesus and the crucifixion.

    Julian Alison, if not sacked, should certainly change departments.
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    dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    tealady wrote: »
    So if the licencing team allowed someone to get a taxi licence even if they had a criminal record of assault that could be put down as a simple error under pressure?
    You might want to look up what licences councils issue and why due diligence is important.

    It could be, if that is the genuine reason why say it isn't? There are many reasons why errors occur.
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    Vodka_DrinkaVodka_Drinka Posts: 28,753
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    I'm not religious in the slightest but I know what a passion play is. It never ceases to amaze me just how ignorant some people are.
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    dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    How can someone so completely ignorant and dare I say it, a bit dim, be allowed to hold such a high ranking position? I'm not religious in the slightest but I know what a passion play is.

    It never ceases to amaze me just how dumb some people are.

    don't make me laugh :D he's a processing / customer service team leader, I'd be surprised if he earns more than £25k per annum, hardly First Lord of the Treasury :D
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    3Sheets2TheWind3Sheets2TheWind Posts: 3,028
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    Forgetting Julian Alison and his daft decision-making for a moment, I can't understand why the paperwork couldn't have just been rushed through at the last minute or that the police could have been a bit more understanding.

    "You can’t hold a crucifixion these days without a licence" - I bet if John Cleese has read this, he wished he had included it in the 'Life of Brian' script :)
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