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Leading Tory minister exposed as 'tax dodging' Buy-to-Let investor

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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    From the second paragraph of the first article

    "The moves are legal ..."

    Case closed.
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    Case closed.

    Not when this is the sort of behaviour the government and politicians have been actively rallying against.
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    From the second paragraph of the first article

    "The moves are legal ..."

    Case closed.

    So were Maria Miller's expenses claims.

    Its all legal - the question is whether its moral to undertake tax avoidance measures. Particularly when you are a Treasury minister making tax rules.

    Should our young people be ever more priced out of buying homes - just so MPs (one third of whom are buy to let landlords - including Osborne and Cameron - many of whose properties were bought using taxpayers funds) can make a mint on the housing market.

    Surely Cameron as a Christian would understand morality - vs legality!:D
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    So were Maria Miller's expenses claims.

    Its all legal - the question is whether its moral to undertake tax avoidance measures. Particularly when you are a Treasury minister making tax rules.

    Should our young people be ever more priced out of buying homes - just so MPs (one third of whom are buy to let landlords - including Osborne and Cameron - many of whose properties were bought using taxpayers funds) can make a mint on the housing market.

    Surely Cameron as a Christian would understand morality - vs legality!:D

    Actually no they were not
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Actually no they were not

    So why hasn't Maria Miller been arrested then - if she broke the law?

    Or is that just for the poor who overclaim a few extra quid in benefits?
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    Not when this is the sort of behaviour the government and politicians have been actively rallying against.

    So who is in the wrong

    1. Someone who uses perfectly legal schemes, or

    2. The people who legislate the schemes into existence but then wage war against people who use them ?
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    So why hasn't Maria Miller been arrested then - if she broke the law?

    Or is that just for the poor who overclaim a few extra quid in benefits?

    Good question. In my book all MPs caught with more money than they should have had should have a case prepared and go to court.

    I have said that before if you want to search to check
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    From the second paragraph of the first article

    "The moves are legal ..."

    Case closed.

    So that's alright then.
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    So that's alright then.

    Correct.

    If you don't like the law change it, don't harass people for doing something perfectly legal
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    Correct.

    If you don't like the law change it, don't harass people for doing something perfectly legal

    Very good. I am much amused by the lack of morality. If the law told you it was legal to murder, would you?
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    ShaunIOWShaunIOW Posts: 11,330
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    We keep hearing from this government that the bedroom tax, sanctioning benefits etc is morally the right thing to do even if it saves little if any money, so when are they going to show some examples of morals themselves? Or is it only for the little people?
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    Very good. I am much amused by the lack of morality. If the law told you it was legal to murder, would you?

    You are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

    You can not go around saying laws you don't like are immoral just to satisfy your political motivation.

    To equate buy to let schemes with murder is ridiculous and I hope you know that.

    Lets see how moral you are, The government taxes the earnings of prostitution. These taxes go to pay for government services like benefits and the NHS, Do you refrain from taking benefits or using the NHS on moral grounds because they are financed by taxes on immoral earnings ?
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    ShaunIOWShaunIOW Posts: 11,330
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    Correct.

    If you don't like the law change it, don't harass people for doing something perfectly legal

    These things are only legal because the ones that mainly benefit are the same buggers that set the rules that make it legal.
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Created trusts for her children. The bitch.

    All buy to let investors hold property in a company. I'd they have more than a couple. Otherwise it is not possible to employ someone.
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    ShaunIOW wrote: »
    These things are only legal because the ones that mainly benefit are the same buggers that set the rules that make it legal.

    ...... and it was ever thus regardless of what party was in power, so your point is ?
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    ShaunIOW wrote: »
    These things are only legal because the ones that mainly benefit are the same buggers that set the rules that make it legal.

    Setting up a company should be illegal?

    When you say the rules mainly benefit those who set them.... There are 6m companies in the UK.
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    Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,344
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    flagpole wrote: »
    Setting up a company should be illegal?

    When you say the rules mainly benefit those who set them.... There are 6m companies in the UK.

    It does look bad though particularly in a few weeks after George Osbourne attacked people who did not pay their fair share of tax.

    When a company is set up with the express aim of avoiding tax and not to provide employemt as such it looks dodgy.
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    ...... and it was ever thus regardless of what party was in power, so your point is ?

    Well, the obvious point would be both parties are the servants of the Capitalist system, and serve and protect the interests of Big Business.
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    Well, the obvious point would be both parties are the servants of the Capitalist system, and serve and protect the interests of Big Business.


    If you say so comrade .................... :p
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    flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    It does look bad though particularly in a few weeks after George Osbourne attacked people who did not pay their fair share of tax.

    When a company is set up with the express aim of avoiding tax and not to provide employemt as such it looks dodgy.

    It is the normal way buy to let's are structured.

    It doesn't look good in the sense that it provides an attack vector. But it's still nothing.
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    While that does highlight why the Tories are no more concerned about the housing bubble than Labour, there's nothing at all wrong with holding profit making assets in a company and it's rather absurd for the newspapers to suggest that there is.
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    One major problem with tax avoidance is you cannot leglislate it away.

    Create a law that makes it illegal to avoid breaking a tax law?... Tricky! (impossible actually)


    So it becomes entirely a moral matter, that people in positions of power need to set an example in.

    The BBC comes to mind here, also ministers. Especially a treasury minister!

    So what two-faced hypocrits we have in government at the moment. Preach morality and God but completely fail to apply it to their own behaviour.
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    The loss on tax from these schemes is far more damaging to the country than a single mother who is legally claiming benefits. However, the latter appears to be acceptable to be outraged at as a 'moral wrong', so much so that laws are changed, so why not the former?
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    GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    If you say so comrade .................... :p

    I do say so! :)
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Some people would try and defend anything. It really does beggar belief.

    What is being done here is downright wrong and needs addressing.
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