I'm not trying to lay the blame at anyone's door. I read the same article saying that the vast majority of the English vote will be NO and that could actually sway the vote if it came down to the wire. Which I would find ironic as Scots living in the UK outside Scotland can't vote but any other nationality living inside Scotland can.
You need to be a wee bit more objective instead of looking for things to snipe at, your the most anti UK person here.
It was a wind up! You totally bit. I expected better of you.
No idea, nor should it matter. Ukip are now on the verge of gaining a MEP in Scotland.
That should be a wake up call to those who dismiss them as a party that has no support north of the border.
Before anyone asks I'm not voting UKIP next month.
It was a joke btw.
You would have to be a bit thick to change from SNP (Scotland focussed party seeking removal from UK) to a party extolling the UK and seeking an end to the Scottish Parliament and powers for Scotland.
It was a wind up! You totally bit. I expected better of you.
Why, you might have touched a nerve. Think about why there's already been mention of advice to non-scots (english) voters on how to go to the polls and escape with their lives. It might be well meant but it does seem to suit some peoples agenda to portray Scotland as some kind of lawless frontier post independence and even now. One assumes that the police in attendance will simply stand to one side whilst these ferengi are taught the error of their ways. Perhaps post independence the English will all be rounded up and sent back to where they come from. It might be an attempt to simply boost the No vote at all costs. It might even go further and be a laying of the foundations on which in a few areas polling will be shut down due to riots or even, assuming it's a close Yes win, the result can be brought in to dispute through claims of intimidation forcing people to stay at home rather than vote. Or perhaps it'll be an attempt to introduce a large number of postal votes which can be locked in to No and amongst which some extras can be slipped.
Why, you might have touched a nerve. Think about why there's already been mention of advice to non-scots (english) voters on how to go to the polls and escape with their lives. It might be well meant but it does seem to suit some peoples agenda to portray Scotland as some kind of lawless frontier post independence and even now. One assumes that the police in attendance will simply stand to one side whilst these ferengi are taught the error of their ways. Perhaps post independence the English will all be rounded up and sent back to where they come from. It might be an attempt to simply boost the No vote at all costs. It might even go further and be a laying of the foundations on which in a few areas polling will be shut down due to riots or even, assuming it's a close Yes win, the result can be brought in to dispute through claims of intimidation forcing people to stay at home rather than vote. Or perhaps it'll be an attempt to introduce a large number of postal votes which can be locked in to No and amongst which some extras can be slipped.
I'm assuming that post was a wind up as well? The thing is, if it's a narrow Yes win then Scotland will still go independent but if it's a narrow No win then all of you Nats will continue to moan and whinge and stamp your feet and demand another referendum.
Hopefully if it's a No vote then we can park the subject for another twenty years.
You would have to be a bit thick to change from SNP (Scotland focussed party seeking removal from UK) to a party extolling the UK and seeking an end to the Scottish Parliament and powers for Scotland.
hence why I asked if they were Rangers fans.
What about Aberdeen fans? I never could understand why people have to bring football into things.
It doesn't matter anyway as those English are entitled to vote and any blame could not be laid at their door. The SG set the referendum terms not Westminster.
Based on those who would be living with the consequences being the ones who should get to vote. A principle that seems to have missed the CBI who have failed to consult their members in Scotland when deciding to declare themselves on the no side. I can well believe that the vast majority of their membership might decide in favour of support for the union. And I'm sure if they'd held an actual consultation with their members then they might have figures to back that up. What isn't clear is how they would have decided if the majority in Scotland had voted to advocate independence. In fact their public statements seem to say well they could have let their feelings known but says nothing as to what credence would have been given them. They initially claimed to represent the employers of nearly half a million scotish employees. I wonder given the recent public withdrawals how that figure stands now.
"The University of Glasgow has become the latest organisation to quit the CBI.
It comes after the business lobby group registered with the Electoral Commission as a backer of the pro-Union campaign in the Scottish independence referendum debate.
The university said it had to resign its membership in order to "maintain impartiality".
BBC Scotland understands Edinburgh University has also left the CBI."
Why is it that you never bring anything to the conversation except things like this. When your found out on one subject you immediately switch to another.
I'm beginning to think you only post here to inflate your post count:D
"The University of Glasgow has become the latest organisation to quit the CBI.
It comes after the business lobby group registered with the Electoral Commission as a backer of the pro-Union campaign in the Scottish independence referendum debate.
The university said it had to resign its membership in order to "maintain impartiality".
BBC Scotland understands Edinburgh University has also left the CBI."
Seems there's multiple levels of deception going on. CBI Scotland seem to be the body registered yet the decision to do so has been taken for them at a higher level without any consultation. At the same time it seems certain that the CBI itself may still be breaking the law given it's they who are campaigning in Scotland rather than a subsidiary and when it comes down to it they may have been given the harsh choice of put up or shut up. either they registered an interest or they took the other option which was to cease participation in the referendum debate.
One thing seems certain though, if the extremely sparse numbers of members with head offices registered in Scotland is true ( 90 apparently ) then it's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of them will be UK wide and as such will have a fairly major contribution to make to any debate over currency union in a post-independence scenario. One might assume that either there will be a remarkable lack of actual transaction charges or more probably that they would at that point be staunch advocates of a common currency in at least the initial 5 to 10 years if not longer. Perhaps they should be asked for an honest answer.
Universities
Robert Gordon University
Glasgow Caledonian University
College of Arts and Social Sciences (part of Dundee University)
GU Holdings Ltd (commercial arm of Glasgow University)
Quangoes and similar
Skills Development Scotland
SQA
Scottish Credit and Qualifications Framework Partnership
Investors in People Scotland
Business Stream (part of Scottish Water)
SECC (91% owned by Glasow Council)
TIE (Edinburgh’s favourite tramline layer)
Trade Bodies
Food Trade Association Management
Graphic Enterprise Scotland
Homes for Scotland
Publishing Scotland
Scottish Building Federation
SELECT
The Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland
The Scotch Whisky Association
BID district
Essential Edinburgh
Branches or Subsidiaries
AG Holdings
Conoco Phillips
Heineken
ISS Facility Services Ltd
UPM-Kymmene
Weber Shandwick
Companies (split into business sectors)
Banks and financial inc insurance and investment
AEGON UK
Airdrie Savings Bank
Alliance Trust
Clydesdale Bank
Royal Bank of Scotland Group
Standard Life
Engineering
Weir Group
Imes Group Holdings
Jacobs
Balmoral Group Holdings
Hydrasun Ltd
PR & Consultants, etc
BiP Solutions
Chance Associates
Core Solutions Group
Eglinton
Glen Abbot Ltd
Indigo
James Barr
Kynesis
Laura Gordon Associates
Liddell Thomson
Millstream Associates
Munro Consulting
SI Associates
Gupta Partnership
Energy, Oil and Marine
Cairn Energy
Flexitricity
Lithgows
Scottish Power
Wood Group Management Services
Property
Elphinstone Holdings
Lochay Investments
Townhead Properties
Construction & Supplies
WF Watt (Contracts)
Miller Group
Stewart Milne Group
McAlpine & Co
Mactaggart & Mickel
The rest
Devro (food wrappers)
FirstGroup
Havelock Europa (furniture)
Henry Winning & Co (string & twine)
ICS (education)
John G Russell (transport)
Kube Networds (telecom)
M Computer Technologies
Memex Technologies (electronic shop equipment)
Morris Leslie Group (various)
Scottish Leather Group
Coverdale Organisation (training)
Edrington Group (distillers)
Skene Group (hotels)
Tomatin Distillery
Tullis Russell Group (paper)
So far, the following organisations have resigned membership:
STV
VisitScotland
Scottish Enterprise
Aquamarine Power
Balhousie Group
If the CBI didn't register then come the end of may they wouldnt be able to take part in the referendum debate of which the outcome could have major implications for its cross border members in particular.
The impartial bodies and SG quangos leaving now would've had to do the same had they registered to the Yes campaign.
The same rules are the reason Business for Scotland are also registering with the Electoral Commission.
Hopefully if it's a No vote then we can park the subject for another twenty years.
That has always been the position.
However, if there is a no and the UK then votes to come out of the EU, I suspect that will give a mandate for another Scottish referendum.
Certainly given the way the anti independence movement have agitated for the likes of Orkney and Shetland to have a say on their future in the event of a yes vote, it would be highly hypocritical of them to then deny Scotland a say if the consititutional set up changes were there an out vote.
However, if there is a no and the UK then votes to come out of the EU, I suspect that will give a mandate for another Scottish referendum.
Certainly given the way the anti independence movement have agitated for the likes of Orkney and Shetland to have a say on their future in the event of a yes vote, it would be highly hypocritical of them to then deny Scotland a say if the consititutional set up changes were there an out vote.
If the CBI didn't register then come the end of may they wouldnt be able to take part in the referendum debate of which the outcome could have major implications for its cross border members in particular.
The impartial bodies and SG quangos leaving now would've had to do the same had they registered to the Yes campaign.
The same rules are the reason Business for Scotland are also registering with the Electoral Commission.
Yeah, it seems to be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I'm sure Salmond would have been over the moon if the CBI had backed the Yes vote, but since the overwhelming number of members are England based he shouldn't be surprised that the CBI are supportive of the union.
"The University of Glasgow has become the latest organisation to quit the CBI.
It comes after the business lobby group registered with the Electoral Commission as a backer of the pro-Union campaign in the Scottish independence referendum debate.
The university said it had to resign its membership in order to "maintain impartiality".
BBC Scotland understands Edinburgh University has also left the CBI."
Members of the CBI were not balloted to vote on this.
Seems a small cabal has decreed the CBI in Scotlands position.
May be worth keeping an eye on the honours lists to see who gets awards for 'Services to Business' in the near future.
But Mr Salmond said: “Today marks one year to the biggest opportunity Scotland has ever had.
“Referendums like this are a once in a generation event, which means the vote on September 18th next year will be the opportunity of a lifetime for many people in Scotland, as we get the chance to choose our country’s future.”
However the Chambers of Commerce are managing to facilitate debates while remaining neutral. If the CBI had bothered to check with their members than they might have thought twice about becoming political on either side of the referendum debate and put over unbiased information. Unfortunately now anything the CBI comes out with will be known to be unrepresentative and biased rubbish.
However, if there is a no and the UK then votes to come out of the EU, I suspect that will give a mandate for another Scottish referendum.
Certainly given the way the anti independence movement have agitated for the likes of Orkney and Shetland to have a say on their future in the event of a yes vote, it would be highly hypocritical of them to then deny Scotland a say if the consititutional set up changes were there an out vote.
If it is a no and uk vote to come out of the EU, residence of Scotland would have been part of that vote to make it happen.
Members of the CBI were not balloted to vote on this.
Seems a small cabal has decreed the CBI in Scotlands position.
It's the blatant switching back and forth between who, exactly, has been registered. If it's the CBI as a whole then fine we can assume that perhaps a UK wide ballot would have resulted in the majority of that body voting to officially enter as campaigners on the No side. However that would leave the small problem of what to do should it turn out that the majority in "CBI Scotland" opted for neutrality or even for independence.
As to the "consultation" that took place they are very careful to avoid claims that they actually asked or even invited feedback simply claiming that their members had every opportunity to do so.
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No idea, nor should it matter. Ukip are now on the verge of gaining a MEP in Scotland.
That should be a wake up call to those who dismiss them as a party that has no support north of the border.
Before anyone asks I'm not voting UKIP next month.
It was a joke btw.
You would have to be a bit thick to change from SNP (Scotland focussed party seeking removal from UK) to a party extolling the UK and seeking an end to the Scottish Parliament and powers for Scotland.
hence why I asked if they were Rangers fans.
UKIP will not have a Scottish MEP next month.
Why, you might have touched a nerve. Think about why there's already been mention of advice to non-scots (english) voters on how to go to the polls and escape with their lives. It might be well meant but it does seem to suit some peoples agenda to portray Scotland as some kind of lawless frontier post independence and even now. One assumes that the police in attendance will simply stand to one side whilst these ferengi are taught the error of their ways. Perhaps post independence the English will all be rounded up and sent back to where they come from. It might be an attempt to simply boost the No vote at all costs. It might even go further and be a laying of the foundations on which in a few areas polling will be shut down due to riots or even, assuming it's a close Yes win, the result can be brought in to dispute through claims of intimidation forcing people to stay at home rather than vote. Or perhaps it'll be an attempt to introduce a large number of postal votes which can be locked in to No and amongst which some extras can be slipped.
Thing is you don't have to be rude to get your point across, and damned right I'd report you if you abused folk here, there's no need for it.
Aye, right.....
I'm assuming that post was a wind up as well? The thing is, if it's a narrow Yes win then Scotland will still go independent but if it's a narrow No win then all of you Nats will continue to moan and whinge and stamp your feet and demand another referendum.
Hopefully if it's a No vote then we can park the subject for another twenty years.
What about Aberdeen fans? I never could understand why people have to bring football into things.
Based on those who would be living with the consequences being the ones who should get to vote. A principle that seems to have missed the CBI who have failed to consult their members in Scotland when deciding to declare themselves on the no side. I can well believe that the vast majority of their membership might decide in favour of support for the union. And I'm sure if they'd held an actual consultation with their members then they might have figures to back that up. What isn't clear is how they would have decided if the majority in Scotland had voted to advocate independence. In fact their public statements seem to say well they could have let their feelings known but says nothing as to what credence would have been given them. They initially claimed to represent the employers of nearly half a million scotish employees. I wonder given the recent public withdrawals how that figure stands now.
"The University of Glasgow has become the latest organisation to quit the CBI.
It comes after the business lobby group registered with the Electoral Commission as a backer of the pro-Union campaign in the Scottish independence referendum debate.
The university said it had to resign its membership in order to "maintain impartiality".
BBC Scotland understands Edinburgh University has also left the CBI."
So not going to tell us. But we all know why.;-)
Seems there's multiple levels of deception going on. CBI Scotland seem to be the body registered yet the decision to do so has been taken for them at a higher level without any consultation. At the same time it seems certain that the CBI itself may still be breaking the law given it's they who are campaigning in Scotland rather than a subsidiary and when it comes down to it they may have been given the harsh choice of put up or shut up. either they registered an interest or they took the other option which was to cease participation in the referendum debate.
One thing seems certain though, if the extremely sparse numbers of members with head offices registered in Scotland is true ( 90 apparently ) then it's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of them will be UK wide and as such will have a fairly major contribution to make to any debate over currency union in a post-independence scenario. One might assume that either there will be a remarkable lack of actual transaction charges or more probably that they would at that point be staunch advocates of a common currency in at least the initial 5 to 10 years if not longer. Perhaps they should be asked for an honest answer.
Current CBI Members in Scotland: April 2014
Universities
Robert Gordon University
Glasgow Caledonian University
College of Arts and Social Sciences (part of Dundee University)
GU Holdings Ltd (commercial arm of Glasgow University)
Quangoes and similar
Skills Development Scotland
SQA
Scottish Credit and Qualifications Framework Partnership
Investors in People Scotland
Business Stream (part of Scottish Water)
SECC (91% owned by Glasow Council)
TIE (Edinburgh’s favourite tramline layer)
Trade Bodies
Food Trade Association Management
Graphic Enterprise Scotland
Homes for Scotland
Publishing Scotland
Scottish Building Federation
SELECT
The Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland
The Scotch Whisky Association
BID district
Essential Edinburgh
Branches or Subsidiaries
AG Holdings
Conoco Phillips
Heineken
ISS Facility Services Ltd
UPM-Kymmene
Weber Shandwick
Companies (split into business sectors)
Banks and financial inc insurance and investment
AEGON UK
Airdrie Savings Bank
Alliance Trust
Clydesdale Bank
Royal Bank of Scotland Group
Standard Life
Engineering
Weir Group
Imes Group Holdings
Jacobs
Balmoral Group Holdings
Hydrasun Ltd
PR & Consultants, etc
BiP Solutions
Chance Associates
Core Solutions Group
Eglinton
Glen Abbot Ltd
Indigo
James Barr
Kynesis
Laura Gordon Associates
Liddell Thomson
Millstream Associates
Munro Consulting
SI Associates
Gupta Partnership
Energy, Oil and Marine
Cairn Energy
Flexitricity
Lithgows
Scottish Power
Wood Group Management Services
Lawyers
Ledingham Chalmers
Maclay, Murray & Spens
MacRoberts
McGrigors
Morton Fraser
Shepherd and Wedderburn
Property
Elphinstone Holdings
Lochay Investments
Townhead Properties
Construction & Supplies
WF Watt (Contracts)
Miller Group
Stewart Milne Group
McAlpine & Co
Mactaggart & Mickel
The rest
Devro (food wrappers)
FirstGroup
Havelock Europa (furniture)
Henry Winning & Co (string & twine)
ICS (education)
John G Russell (transport)
Kube Networds (telecom)
M Computer Technologies
Memex Technologies (electronic shop equipment)
Morris Leslie Group (various)
Scottish Leather Group
Coverdale Organisation (training)
Edrington Group (distillers)
Skene Group (hotels)
Tomatin Distillery
Tullis Russell Group (paper)
So far, the following organisations have resigned membership:
STV
VisitScotland
Scottish Enterprise
Aquamarine Power
Balhousie Group
A few more left today
The reason Rangers fans were mentioned was due to their generally staunch support of the union.
The impartial bodies and SG quangos leaving now would've had to do the same had they registered to the Yes campaign.
The same rules are the reason Business for Scotland are also registering with the Electoral Commission.
That has always been the position.
However, if there is a no and the UK then votes to come out of the EU, I suspect that will give a mandate for another Scottish referendum.
Certainly given the way the anti independence movement have agitated for the likes of Orkney and Shetland to have a say on their future in the event of a yes vote, it would be highly hypocritical of them to then deny Scotland a say if the consititutional set up changes were there an out vote.
Bet you wouldn't report abusive posts from people agreeing with your point of view.
Or else you would have by now.
Id expect another referendum within 10 years.
Yeah, it seems to be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I'm sure Salmond would have been over the moon if the CBI had backed the Yes vote, but since the overwhelming number of members are England based he shouldn't be surprised that the CBI are supportive of the union.
Members of the CBI were not balloted to vote on this.
Seems a small cabal has decreed the CBI in Scotlands position.
May be worth keeping an eye on the honours lists to see who gets awards for 'Services to Business' in the near future.
Nah.
Once in a generation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10316878/Alex-Salmond-on-course-for-defeat-in-independence-referendum.html
But Mr Salmond said: “Today marks one year to the biggest opportunity Scotland has ever had.
“Referendums like this are a once in a generation event, which means the vote on September 18th next year will be the opportunity of a lifetime for many people in Scotland, as we get the chance to choose our country’s future.”
If it is a no and uk vote to come out of the EU, residence of Scotland would have been part of that vote to make it happen.
It's the blatant switching back and forth between who, exactly, has been registered. If it's the CBI as a whole then fine we can assume that perhaps a UK wide ballot would have resulted in the majority of that body voting to officially enter as campaigners on the No side. However that would leave the small problem of what to do should it turn out that the majority in "CBI Scotland" opted for neutrality or even for independence.
As to the "consultation" that took place they are very careful to avoid claims that they actually asked or even invited feedback simply claiming that their members had every opportunity to do so.