I don't get the whole UKIP are racist bit, yes some of their loonie, troll like candidates have posted dodgy comments, and those people need to be sacked and Farage is getting rid of them.
The EU is hugely racist and we are forced into discriminating between people wanting to come in from the EU and those from outside. Is that fair? if you are from the EU in you come, no immigration procedure needed, if you are from Aisa, US, Australia, Africa etc. you have to go through immigration process. UKIP want to put a stop to that, so how does that make them more racist than the EU.
They support civil partnerships but not gay marriage and only because of EU legislation that could see catholics, muslims etc. being forced by law to carry out marriage services, I don't think that is homophobic.
Have you lived your life in captivity without any access to the real world?
I vote in general/local elections but European elections are an unknown quantity to me.
Some people love politics and spend their lives reading all the details and know all the treaties inside out and good for them. Others however don't and have other things taking up their time.
Now that someone has kindly supplied me with a list. I have studied who is running and shall be voting later. However, if these people want my vote, they have actually done sweet FA to canvas it and the fact that I had to ask on here about who is standing says it all about this election. they want my vote then why have they not made it know that they are standing, what they stand for and why they think I should vote for them. Sticking one poster up outside the council offices, just isn't good enough.
But judging by your username, I can see that you have connections with a country ruled by politics for decade upon decade and so can see why you should see it from a different point of view.
Yes and I'll be voting for UKIP. I'm not fully British, my family came here went anti-Irish feeling was rife, so I'm not against immigration. I just think we should have policies akin to Australia or even temporary visas. Freeze immigration for a year or so then reintroduce it with stricter checks and lower numbers. If you're a hardworking person willing to live by British law then I don't give a damn where you came from.
I like their crime policy ideas
I disagree with some other policies, for example they're against gay marriage, I'm for it but they have said they wouldn't try to change it back to exclusively civil partnerships.
They have some party nuts but every party does, you're just hearing a lot about heirs because they've recently became a lot more popular.
You have that right now and you will have it on Friday regardless of what you do on Thursday. Don't let anyone try and take that away. People died for your freedom of choice that some one here are trying to take away.
How very reassuring.
I could fail to paticipate through apathy or laziness (it is tempting as I am a bit of both really) and then moan about the outcome, but really that would just make me fool who deserves to be ignored.
No one on here is trying to take away anyone's freedom, they are simply expresing opinions, very poor playing of the 'people died for you' card on your part.
Labour, Lib Dem and Conservatives're all on the same side.
Anybody voting and supporting the BNP or UKIP're branded as racists or xenophobic Little Englanders.
Yes and I'll be voting for UKIP. I just think we should have policies akin to Australia or even temporary visas. Freeze immigration for a year or so then reintroduce it with stricter checks and lower numbers. If you're a hardworking person willing to live by British law then it shouldn't matter where you came from.
I like their crime policy ideas
I disagree with some other policies, for example they're against gay marriage, I'm for it but they have said they wouldn't try to change it back to exclusively civil partnerships.
They have some party nuts but every party does, you're just hearing a lot about heirs because they've recently became a lot more popular.
...I agree with everything you have said here and the reason why I will be voting for them as well.
For most of my life I have been very sure of my political choice, and for many, many years was an SDP, then LibDem activist who berated on many a doorstep when told "I never vote" or "I don't bother voting".
Now, for the first time ever, I find myself in the same position, particularly for the locals.
Euros - I'm torn between UKIP - purely as a protest and to stick a rocket up the EU, but will probably find holding my nose too much and will go Tory. This will be enough to get me to the polling booth (about 100 metres away!).
I find the prospect of not voting for council candidates very difficult, but I just cannot support any of them. It's been a hung council (Tory/LibDem) and my local Tory councillors have been useless. Two are being replaced by religious types (one in a dog collar), so they are off the radar for me. It's Labour's No 1 target in London and I desperately do not want the borough to go that way for many reasons, not least the agenda of many in the south of the borough, which resembles downtown Islamabad. These days I could no more vote LibDem than eat my own arms. Don't want a UKIP councillor, or a Green.
There is nobody for whom I can vote that won't leave me deeply regretful afterwards. I just HAVE to vote somehow though.
If I fundamentally believed in the concept, use and point of a European parliament, I would vote. As it is, I don't, so I won't and will be spoiling my voting slip accordingly. It's nice that 'they' asked, but I neither want nor need someone representing me in Europe. I thought I did, in elections gone by, but as it turned out, I've managed just nicely without ever having to call on their services, nor they mine, so I'll give it a miss this time round.
Incidentally, did you know that Gibraltar comes under the SW constituency? Not a bad place for a fact-finding mission come winter. No wonder there's thirty-six candidates chasing six vacancies.
Maybe everyone who will vote should give 1 vote for the BNP on behalf of the people who don't want to vote as they won't care if they get into power in any of their councils!!!(Rolleyes of course)
I could fail to paticipate through apathy or laziness (it is tempting as I am a bit of both really) and then moan about the outcome, but really that would just make me fool who deserves to be ignored.
No one on here is trying to take away anyone's freedom, they are simply expresing opinions, very poor playing of the 'people died for you' card on your part.
"I could fail to paticipate through apathy or laziness" - Yes you could or alternatively because you actively chose to and that is your right to do so. And yes people did die for your freedom to do just that or else we would be in a dictatorship where you would not have that choice.
If the UKIP/BNP cared about Britain so much, they'd tell the European Parliament and EU to go **** themselves, pull us out and give us our independence, ALL our powers of self-rule, British passports and take our country back and give it back to us..
Labour, Lib Dem and Conservatives're all on the same side.
Anybody voting and supporting the BNP or UKIP're branded as racists or xenophobic Little Englanders.
I know several non English, even non British people voting UKIP. Whether it's protest or not, not all UKIP voters are English.
the number of posters on this thread claiming to be voting UKIP is vastly disproportionate to the measly nth of a nth of a nth percentage of the vote they will actually get.
DS is either unrepresentative or full of liars... Bit like the IQ threads, and the how much do you earn threads. we are a forum of UKIP voting high earners with !Qs off the scale.
"I could fail to paticipate through apathy or laziness" - Yes you could or alternatively because you actively chose to and that is your right to do so. And yes people did die for your freedom to do just that or else we would be in a dictatorship where you would not have that choice.
Hmm yes, actively doing nothing, jolly good! I actively stay in bed at the weekend. It's not laziness, I am taking a principled stand (well a princpled lie down anyway).
No one died to prevent me from being made to vote, and anyway no one is being made to vote, stop being so silly.
Vote, don't vote, I don't give a monkey's, but not voting simply because you can't be bothered to participate isn't that admirable imo, and renders your voice irrelevant in political debate.
Not voting for a candidate because you disagree with all of them, or with the system is a different matter, but I would suggest that a more effective way to communicate that is by spoiling your ballot paper, otherwise you are simply giving those in power a free pass to ignore your concerns.
the number of posters on this thread claiming to be voting UKIP is vastly disproportionate to the measly nth of a nth of a nth percentage of the vote they will actually get.
What on earth are you on about?
I would say it's proportionately higher than their general support, but seeing as they are likely to get the largest share of the vote, you are light years away in your percentage projection.
the number of posters on this thread claiming to be voting UKIP is vastly disproportionate to the measly nth of a nth of a nth percentage of the vote they will actually get.
DS is either unrepresentative or full of liars... Bit like the IQ threads, and the how much do you earn threads. we are a forum of UKIP voting high earners with !Qs off the scale.
Just because others have different political views doesn't mean they can't possibly be intelligent or have a high paying job. It's not a case of all working class people vote Labour, all students vote Liberal, all upper classes vote Tory.
I know a teenage mother who voted Conservative. I know a surgeon who is voting green.
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The EU is hugely racist and we are forced into discriminating between people wanting to come in from the EU and those from outside. Is that fair? if you are from the EU in you come, no immigration procedure needed, if you are from Aisa, US, Australia, Africa etc. you have to go through immigration process. UKIP want to put a stop to that, so how does that make them more racist than the EU.
They support civil partnerships but not gay marriage and only because of EU legislation that could see catholics, muslims etc. being forced by law to carry out marriage services, I don't think that is homophobic.
Have you lived your life in captivity without any access to the real world?
I vote in general/local elections but European elections are an unknown quantity to me.
Some people love politics and spend their lives reading all the details and know all the treaties inside out and good for them. Others however don't and have other things taking up their time.
Now that someone has kindly supplied me with a list. I have studied who is running and shall be voting later. However, if these people want my vote, they have actually done sweet FA to canvas it and the fact that I had to ask on here about who is standing says it all about this election. they want my vote then why have they not made it know that they are standing, what they stand for and why they think I should vote for them. Sticking one poster up outside the council offices, just isn't good enough.
But judging by your username, I can see that you have connections with a country ruled by politics for decade upon decade and so can see why you should see it from a different point of view.
I like their crime policy ideas
I disagree with some other policies, for example they're against gay marriage, I'm for it but they have said they wouldn't try to change it back to exclusively civil partnerships.
They have some party nuts but every party does, you're just hearing a lot about heirs because they've recently became a lot more popular.
How very reassuring.
I could fail to paticipate through apathy or laziness (it is tempting as I am a bit of both really) and then moan about the outcome, but really that would just make me fool who deserves to be ignored.
No one on here is trying to take away anyone's freedom, they are simply expresing opinions, very poor playing of the 'people died for you' card on your part.
Anybody voting and supporting the BNP or UKIP're branded as racists or xenophobic Little Englanders.
...I agree with everything you have said here and the reason why I will be voting for them as well.
Now, for the first time ever, I find myself in the same position, particularly for the locals.
Euros - I'm torn between UKIP - purely as a protest and to stick a rocket up the EU, but will probably find holding my nose too much and will go Tory. This will be enough to get me to the polling booth (about 100 metres away!).
I find the prospect of not voting for council candidates very difficult, but I just cannot support any of them. It's been a hung council (Tory/LibDem) and my local Tory councillors have been useless. Two are being replaced by religious types (one in a dog collar), so they are off the radar for me. It's Labour's No 1 target in London and I desperately do not want the borough to go that way for many reasons, not least the agenda of many in the south of the borough, which resembles downtown Islamabad. These days I could no more vote LibDem than eat my own arms. Don't want a UKIP councillor, or a Green.
There is nobody for whom I can vote that won't leave me deeply regretful afterwards. I just HAVE to vote somehow though.
What a state we are in.
Incidentally, did you know that Gibraltar comes under the SW constituency? Not a bad place for a fact-finding mission come winter. No wonder there's thirty-six candidates chasing six vacancies.
"I could fail to paticipate through apathy or laziness" - Yes you could or alternatively because you actively chose to and that is your right to do so. And yes people did die for your freedom to do just that or else we would be in a dictatorship where you would not have that choice.
Yes I'll be voting as I don't want the nasty Tories in.
Yep, I feel your pain.
Rock > Me
How very democratic and not like a dictatorship at all.
If it came to that I would just pay the fine I'd sooner pay than vote.
Indeed. Voting is a personal choice and should remain that way.
If politicians want people to vote, some voter/candidate engagement would be a better way to do it.
I know several non English, even non British people voting UKIP. Whether it's protest or not, not all UKIP voters are English.
DS is either unrepresentative or full of liars... Bit like the IQ threads, and the how much do you earn threads. we are a forum of UKIP voting high earners with !Qs off the scale.
That way, we will get the politicians we want. It won't change any other way.
I may have to do it myself.
Hmm yes, actively doing nothing, jolly good! I actively stay in bed at the weekend. It's not laziness, I am taking a principled stand (well a princpled lie down anyway).
No one died to prevent me from being made to vote, and anyway no one is being made to vote, stop being so silly.
Vote, don't vote, I don't give a monkey's, but not voting simply because you can't be bothered to participate isn't that admirable imo, and renders your voice irrelevant in political debate.
Not voting for a candidate because you disagree with all of them, or with the system is a different matter, but I would suggest that a more effective way to communicate that is by spoiling your ballot paper, otherwise you are simply giving those in power a free pass to ignore your concerns.
What on earth are you on about?
I would say it's proportionately higher than their general support, but seeing as they are likely to get the largest share of the vote, you are light years away in your percentage projection.
Just because others have different political views doesn't mean they can't possibly be intelligent or have a high paying job. It's not a case of all working class people vote Labour, all students vote Liberal, all upper classes vote Tory.
I know a teenage mother who voted Conservative. I know a surgeon who is voting green.