UKIP are going nowhere. This is just the start.

ItsNick · 25/05/14 - 17:37

Sorry to the anti UKIP brigade who hope they'll disappear into obscurity but they haven't even started yet. As Farage said their next step is to target seats "and throw the kitchen sink at them". They may not get all of them but I'm sure they'll get some. UKIP are hear to stay.

Aneechik · 25/05/14 - 17:39

There's an interesting article about this subject here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-rise-of-ukip-study-warns-labour-that-eurosceptic-partys-electoral-base-now-more-working-class-than-any-of-the-main-parties-9190813.html

Mad_Dog1 · 25/05/14 - 17:45

It's a sad indictment of the LibLanCon class that the refuge of the working class is Farage, a truly dangerous man who is cut from the same cloth as Cameron.

MargMck · 25/05/14 - 17:48

Mad_Dog1 wrote: »

It's a sad indictment of the LibLanCon class that the refuge of the working class is Farage, a truly dangerous man who is cut from the same cloth as Cameron.

No Cameron is a smarmy pussy, UKIP are more Thatcherite - they can pull in White Van Man and Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

koantemplation · 25/05/14 - 17:49

UKIP are going some where. Backwards.

Mad_Dog1 · 25/05/14 - 17:50

MargMck wrote: »

No Cameron is a pussy, UKIP are more Thatcherite - they can pull in White Van Man and Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

Nigel Farage is a Thatcherite who went to public school.

Cameron is a Thatcherite who went to public school.

The only difference is Farage hasn't had the minor problem of being in government to deal with yet and probably never will.

Rafer · 25/05/14 - 17:51

I think ukip's next step should be to become the second party in a majority of constituencies at the general election. Realistically: they won't form a government. The best they can expect is one or two mps. By being the main opposition nationwide, it puts pressure on the liblabcon and raises their profile. Setting the groundwork for the election after. It's an achievable goal and seeing as we seem to be heading for another coalition or a small labour majority. The next government might not make it to five years before an election is called.

Annsyre · 25/05/14 - 17:52

ItsNick wrote: »

Sorry to the anti UKIP brigade who hope they'll disappear into obscurity but they haven't even started yet. As Farage said their next step is to target seats "and throw the kitchen sink at them". They may not get all of them but I'm sure they'll get some. UKIP are hear to stay.

Some seats. Scary.

MargMck · 25/05/14 - 17:53

Mad_Dog1 wrote: »

Nigel Farage is a Thatcherite who went to public school.

Cameron is a Thatcherite who went to public school.

The only difference is Farage hasn't had the minor problem of being in government to deal with yet and probably never will.

If Cameron was Thatcherite he wouldn't have his lord of the manor problem of the serfs in Essex and Kent rebelling.

taurus_67 · 25/05/14 - 17:54

They will be a voice, and an annoyance for many, until there's an EU referendum; that is their fight. After that is decided and done, they might not have a reason to exist.

Mad_Dog1 · 25/05/14 - 17:56

MargMck wrote: »

If Cameron was Thatcherite he wouldn't have his lord of the manor problem of the serfs in Essex and Kent rebelling.

Cameron is a Thatcherite however he's unfortunately (or fortunately for the vast majority of Britons) dealing with the realistic face of being in government in the new era of British politics where you actually have to work with another party to stay in power and as such can't do everything you actually want to do. Whereas when you're only dealing with the issue of being a MEP gravy train rider who can say what they want to win votes and are unable to deliver on the vast majority of it due to their own policy of not voting on or introducing any legislation in Europe then life's a hell of a lot more of a breeze.

taurus_67 · 25/05/14 - 17:58

MargMck wrote: »

If Cameron was Thatcherite he wouldn't have his lord of the manor problem of the serfs in Essex and Kent rebelling.

No the real hardcore Thatcherites, like Boris and Gove, are still just lurking in the background.

oathy · 25/05/14 - 18:00

The paradox UKIP face is this.
We've had an election campaign voters have accepted one policy
Out of the EU enough with Immigrants from the EU.
What happens in the General election? the last UKIP manifesto was so right wing
no way in hell would former labour voters agree with that.

So what happens in 2015? if UKIP tone things down the former Tory voters will just go back and vote tory. Its going to depend which group of voters supports UKIP most

taurus_67 · 25/05/14 - 18:07

oathy wrote: »

The paradox UKIP face is this.
We've had an election campaign voters have accepted one policy
Out of the EU enough with Immigrants from the EU.
What happens in the General election? the last UKIP manifesto was so right wing
no way in hell would former labour voters agree with that.

So what happens in 2015? if UKIP tone things down the former Tory voters will just go back and vote tory. Its going to depend which group of voters supports UKIP most

I think a good many Tory voters will go back to them anyway. At least Cameron has an argument to try an appease his Eurosceptics. Labour, so far, offer nothing to their EU haters. Now I agree that many Labour supporters will not be comfortable voting for another blatant version of Thatcherism, but they just might not bother voting at all and that's not good when Labour need every single vote they can get.

Evo102 · 25/05/14 - 18:58

taurus_67 wrote: »

They will be a voice, and an annoyance for many, until there's an EU referendum; that is their fight. After that is decided and done, they might not have a reason to exist.

I'm sure they will find a reason, anything to keep their noses in the trough.

koantemplation · 25/05/14 - 19:08

Evo102 wrote: »

I'm sure they will find a reason, anything to keep their noses in the trough.

I'm pretty sure we will get a vote to stay in the EU if there is a referendum. So UKIP will have to keep on fighting.

David Tee · 25/05/14 - 19:16

Here here.

abivan · 25/05/14 - 19:23

i loathe and detest UKIP, but to say they aren't on the rise is just nonsense. They are a massive threat. They are cornering the white working class vote, We either need to fight it or bury our heads in the sand (which a lot of posters on here are doing). This vote isn't just thick people, or protest votes etc it's here and the mainstream political parties have to deal with it.

Annsyre · 25/05/14 - 19:35

abivan wrote: »

i loathe and detest UKIP, but to say they aren't on the rise is just nonsense. They are a massive threat. They are cornering the white working class vote, We either need to fight it or bury our heads in the sand (which a lot of posters on here are doing). This vote isn't just thick people, or protest votes etc it's here and the mainstream political parties have to deal with it.

What is there "to deal with"?

It's a free country and people who do get off their backsides and vote are free to select their preferred candidate.

UKIP are not going to become a main party any time soon. They have not a single M.P. and wont have many if any after the GE in 2015.

Tassium · 25/05/14 - 19:39

It's the lack of opportunity and a chance at a decent life that is leaving an opening for UKIP.

Both Labour and the Conservatives have done that.

Go into Aldi and see the array of young men at the tills earning a pittance, and understand what UKIP are really tapping into is disenchantment not anti-immigration.

northantsgirl · 25/05/14 - 19:49

UKIP- a bunch of Thatcherites bitterly complaining about what the legacy of Thatcher has done to the country.

taurus_67 · 25/05/14 - 19:53

northantsgirl wrote: »

UKIP- a bunch of Thatcherites bitterly complaining about what the legacy of Thatcher has done to the country.

Didn't Mrs Thatch get the boot for being a bit too anti EU for the Tories of the time.

northantsgirl · 25/05/14 - 20:00

taurus_67 wrote: »

Didn't Mrs Thatch get the boot for being a bit too anti EU for the Tories of the time.

Not before signing the single European market treaty and closer to home whittling away workers protections.

woot_whoo · 25/05/14 - 20:06

taurus_67 wrote: »

They will be a voice, and an annoyance for many, until there's an EU referendum; that is their fight. After that is decided and done, they might not have a reason to exist.

Interesting point - what happens if a referendum is given (eg by the Tories) and the majority vote to stay "in"? Do UKIP accept defeat or continue railing against people's decision? And if the vote is "out" do they fragment?

angarrack · 25/05/14 - 20:17

Tassium wrote: »

It's the lack of opportunity and a chance at a decent life that is leaving an opening for UKIP.

Both Labour and the Conservatives have done that.

Go into Aldi and see the array of young men at the tills earning a pittance, and understand what UKIP are really tapping into is disenchantment not anti-immigration.

I wouldn't disparage young men working at Aldi. I'm told that Aldi and Liddle pay better than the major supermarkets. The other thing is its better than not working and may lead to something better.

jjne · 25/05/14 - 20:30

woot_whoo wrote: »

Interesting point - what happens if a referendum is given (eg by the Tories) and the majority vote to stay "in"? Do UKIP accept defeat or continue railing against people's decision? And if the vote is "out" do they fragment?

If the country votes 'in', the 'out' set will not accept this, and will carry on.

If the country votes 'out', the 'out' set will not accept this (as we'll just retreat to EFTA), and will carry on.

There is enough mileage in this to last until Farage's retirement as an MEP, and that is all he cares about.

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