People from Council Estates are more likely to commit crime.

hmeister · 26/05/14 - 12:56

I've just been thinking that people from Council Estates are 100x more likely to commit a crime than someone from a nice Cul-de-Sac as they have been brought up surrounded by other people who commit crimes and their parents haven't done a good enough job a bringing the them up. Just look at your nearest Council Estate and look at where you live and compare you the two.

My nearest Council Estate is a place called Caia Park (Formerly Queen's Park) and it's always been known for being a rough place, there are daily reports of crime such as burglary, arson, rape, murder, violence and more. 75% of people from are rough as hell and most of the parents don't care about their kids and only have them so they can claim more money.

I live in a village, the crime rates are really low and you only hear of something happening about twice a year. There's a few rough people who I know originally came from Council Estates and they've committed crimes before. Parents here are very supportive of not just their own kids but others too.

So does anyone agree that crime is more likely when you come from a Council Estate and you haven't had enough love/support from family?

TheTruth1983 · 26/05/14 - 13:05

Any evidence to support your assertions? Beyond the anecdotal, of course.

hmeister · 26/05/14 - 13:12

TheTruth1983 wrote: »

Any evidence to support your assertions? Beyond the anecdotal, of course.

Caia Park
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-26625195
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/caia-park-gareth-bird-named-7047634
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-arson-attacks-plummet-6458478
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/230-arson-attacks-wrexham-just-6347990

The only news for where I live is this and the person who did it was from Caia/Queens Park:D
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/north-wales-man-jailed-death-2786730

TheTruth1983 · 26/05/14 - 13:15

All stories about the same council estate?

Doesn't seem representative somehow.

stoatie · 26/05/14 - 13:18

Obviously you get fewer arson attacks under that bridge; there's not so much to burn and plenty of water with which to extinguish it.

rds60h · 26/05/14 - 13:21

So you think all those living in huge gated properties are angels ?
And I suppose you don't think tax evasion is crime ?
Do you think that "successful" criminals live in council properties ?
Open your eyes and then try a dash of reality.
Criminals come from all walks of life and are criminals for lots of different reasons and although a person's lower financial background can affect some people it is not the overall deciding factor. Morals and Greed is a factor in peolple becoming criminals and neither of those are fully dependant on where your live.

Raquelos. · 26/05/14 - 13:24

Crime is often an economic issue. Statistically people who are poor are more likely to commit particular types of crime like shoplifting, stealing cars or other 'street crime' and these crimes are the most likely to be prosecuted. People with money are more likely to commit other types of crime, tax evasion, fraud and forgery for example, these are less likely to be detected and prosecuted. Some crimes like domestic violence and child abuse aren't really impacted by economic status.

Street crime however is the most visible and the most reportable as far as the press is concerned which gives a somewhat skewed impression of what's going on. Don't for a second assume that everyone in your cul de sac is a law abiding citizen, or indeed that everyone on a council estate isn't.

Those types of generalisation just make you seem stupid.

[Deleted User] · 26/05/14 - 13:25

But not all council estates are the same or have you been to every single one in UK to assume that there's crime there?

Lushness · 26/05/14 - 13:36

0/10

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Jason · 26/05/14 - 13:45

I've lived on a council estate .. i'm sticking this thread up .. gimme your money ..

jioscar · 26/05/14 - 13:50

That's a load of B-locks >:(

jioscar · 26/05/14 - 13:51

Or even B-llocks lol

Knarf44 · 26/05/14 - 14:00

I'd go along with what was said in post #6.

Crimes are committed by all social classes. Admittedly, at the top end of society there is more white collar crime than those that involve violence but it's crime nonetheless. Perhaps what is more common between all social classes is an apparent growing sense of self- entitlement as justification for committing those crimes.

That has nothing to do with the way a person was raised but more to do with a shift in societal attitudes such as if you can get away with it, why not? Unfortunately, honesty, integrity, moral values etc are now generally regarded as quaint and old fashioned in today's dog eat dog world. Is that a good or bad thing though, well you decide. If you are happy to exploit people and situations in a criminal way then good luck to you but don't expect sympathy if you are eventually caught and don't blame others for your bad decisions.

shmisk · 26/05/14 - 14:04

i grew up on a council estate
I have never comitted a crime

[Deleted User] · 26/05/14 - 14:10

People in nice middle class cul de sacs're far more likely to believed when they deny it and can afford lawyers so they're more likely to get away with it.

silentNate · 26/05/14 - 14:18

motsy wrote: »

People in nice middle class cul de sacs're far more likely to believed when they deny it and can afford lawyers so they're more likely to get away with it.

This. End of.

When I lived in Camberley opposite where I lived was what I had been told was a rather well-known criminal family who had bought their huge house on the proceeds of drug money. Had expensive lawyers no doubt

Bedlam_maid · 26/05/14 - 14:26

I doubt the Mr Bigs of the criminal world live in council houses.

[Deleted User] · 26/05/14 - 14:30

What chance as some innocent kid from a council estate who was brought up decently, has never committed any crimes but is accused of a spate of burgalries, car thefts and muggings against a kid from a nice middle class area who happens to be a one man crime spree and his parents can very easily afford a lawyer and the kid from the council estate whose parents can't afford lawyers?

cas1977 · 26/05/14 - 14:30

hmeister wrote: »

I've just been thinking that people from Council Estates are 100x more likely to commit a crime than someone from a nice Cul-de-Sac as they have been brought up surrounded by other people who commit crimes and their parents haven't done a good enough job a bringing the them up. Just look at your nearest Council Estate and look at where you live and compare you the two.

My nearest Council Estate is a place called Caia Park (Formerly Queen's Park) and it's always been known for being a rough place, there are daily reports of crime such as burglary, arson, rape, murder, violence and more. 75% of people from are rough as hell and most of the parents don't care about their kids and only have them so they can claim more money.

I live in a village, the crime rates are really low and you only hear of something happening about twice a year. There's a few rough people who I know originally came from Council Estates and they've committed crimes before. Parents here are very supportive of not just their own kids but others too.

So does anyone agree that crime is more likely when you come from a Council Estate and you haven't had enough love/support from family?

I agree with you to a certain extent although I don't believe that criminals are criminals just because they haven't received enough love and support....

I know that not every council estate is the same and not every sleepy village is the same, and there are all types of crime, but the sorts of crime that people are frightened of and the sort that gets reported on daily is the sort of crime (imo) that is generally going to come from poorer, working class áreas, such as council estates.

I don't think people can help but stereotype. For example, if I were walking down a quiet high street one evening, noone around apart from 6 young hoodies just basically loitering, I'm immediately going to be suspicious and probably try and walk somewhere else, and they may be perfectly innocent but the fact is noone knows that do they?

Same example with either walking down a quiet road in a small quaint village or walking around a tough council estate in Manchester or Birmingham. I know which one i'd choose!

hmeister · 26/05/14 - 14:37

For the record I'm not saying that ALL people from council estates are criminals. I know a handful of people from council estates who law abiding citizens and are quite decent.

debdaw · 26/05/14 - 14:56

hmeister wrote: »

I've just been thinking that people from Council Estates are 100x more likely to commit a crime than someone from a nice Cul-de-Sac as they have been brought up surrounded by other people who commit crimes and their parents haven't done a good enough job a bringing the them up. Just look at your nearest Council Estate and look at where you live and compare you the two.

My nearest Council Estate is a place called Caia Park (Formerly Queen's Park) and it's always been known for being a rough place, there are daily reports of crime such as burglary, arson, rape, murder, violence and more. 75% of people from are rough as hell and most of the parents don't care about their kids and only have them so they can claim more money.

I live in a village, the crime rates are really low and you only hear of something happening about twice a year. There's a few rough people who I know originally came from Council Estates and they've committed crimes before. Parents here are very supportive of not just their own kids but others too.

So does anyone agree that crime is more likely when you come from a Council Estate and you haven't had enough love/support from family?

I'd say that crime is more likely in areas of deprivation for obvious reasons, but that's a long way from stigmatising everyone that lives on a council estate as being a criminal. Council estates vary too - some are more crime ridden than others.

One thing I'd like to point out though, is that people who are asserting that residents of more upmarket areas are more likely to commit tax evasion, fraud and forgery, may not have considered that these crimes are not exclusively middle class in the same way that theft and violence is not solely attributable to the working classes.

Somner · 26/05/14 - 15:04

In my experience the offenders for violent and petty acquisitive crimes are more likely to be from the more deprived areas, however the reality is that these each of areas are home to thousands of people, with the majority of such crime being carried out by less people than I could count on two hands.

Ethel_Fred · 26/05/14 - 15:33

Your evidence does not show that they are committing more crime, just that they are more likely to be caught

CitySlicker · 26/05/14 - 15:40

Oh dear, here we go.

1 - FM joined this month
2 - FM has started number of inciting threads
3 - It's half term

Don't feed the trolls ;-)

hmeister · 26/05/14 - 15:48

CitySlicker wrote: »

Oh dear, here we go.

1 - FM joined this month
2 - FM has started number of inciting threads
3 - It's half term

Don't feed the trolls ;-)

1: Yes I did join this month. What's the problem?
2: What's wrong with starting new threads. Do you have to be part of some clique to be able to start threads?
3: I am 22 and not in school or college.

I'm just posting what I couldn't post when I wasn't a member.

miss_sassy1 · 26/05/14 - 15:51

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