So a new drama comes on itv. Lol you have to have sky.....
I personally am getting rather fed up of this exclusivity crap.
ITV's channels should be on all platforms. if they wanna go pay then bloody go pay, but stop messing around.
I don't think you need worry...yet. In the first year, it will be all repeats from ITV. I believe I have read somewhere that the period of exclusivity is a year, and only after that will the original material start to be shown.
So as long as we get it then, it doesn't bother me. I don't think there are any old ITV dramas on that I fancy watching that I haven't already seen.
Some of the posts on these forums amaze me by their lack of business sense,.
On reading you might imagine that some think Sky should behave as if they are an ally of Virgin.
Take Encore starting in June this is a subscription channel arranged between the two companies and as such will hardly be readily available to Virgin as Sky wish to use this as a possible lever to entice people to switch to their service.
Is this not business sense on sky's part?
Personally we have enough channels on virgin already in itv 3 and drama channel ,in my humble opinion. I will stay with virgin every time as at least many HD channels are offered at no extra cost unlike Sky.
Some of the posts on these forums amaze me by their lack of business sense,.
On reading you might imagine that some think Sky should behave as if they are an ally of Virgin.
Take Encore starting in June this is a subscription channel arranged between the two companies and as such will hardly be readily available to Virgin as Sky wish to use this as a possible lever to entice people to switch to their service.
Is this not business sense on sky's part?
Personally we have enough channels on virgin already in itv 3 and drama channel ,in my humble opinion. I will stay with virgin every time as at least many HD channels are offered at no extra cost unlike Sky.
You wont be saying that when the next downton abbey is on Encore as an exclusive.....
at the moment its classics, but it does state 'upcoming drama'
HD channels are an extra cost on Virgin, you have to subscribe to the top package, just like with Sky.
Not true on either count. There are FTV/FTA HD channels available on Sky platform regardless of package taken. If you want subscription HD channels you pay a flat rate with Sky.
With virgin, there are HD channels included in every single tv package that they sell/offer. Even the 'M' package includes HD channels (similar to Sky, these are generally considered FTV/FTA channels).
You get extra HD channels on M+ and then more on L and even more on XL.
You wont be saying that when the next downton abbey is on Encore as an exclusive.....
at the moment its classics, but it does state 'upcoming drama'
Do you really think they will move Downton to ITV Encore? I don't.
The most I can see is it being shown a week before ITV (1) but I'd be surprised by that tbh. If they do anything like that with Downton they risk a massive upset. There are far more non-Sky subscribers out there than there are Sky subscribers.
The most I think they'd offer if they go down that route would be a 'first look' approach where you watch episode 1 on ITV and then they show episode 2 straight after on Encore meaning that non Sky subscribers will have to wait till the next week for episode 2. If that's the case, no biggie there either.
Plus watch the illegal streaming of the show jump through the roof.
Not true on either count. There are FTV/FTA HD channels available on Sky platform regardless of package taken. If you want subscription HD channels you pay a flat rate with Sky.
With virgin, there are HD channels included in every single tv package that they sell/offer. Even the 'M' package includes HD channels (similar to Sky, these are generally considered FTV/FTA channels).
You get extra HD channels on M+ and then more on L and even more on XL.
M+ & L offer the same. It's two more channels than SKY and those are Channel 5 & Film4. Everything else is in the XL package. Also like Sky with Virgin if you want the subscription HD channels you have to have the top package, just like Sky.
But then again in Sky's basic package you also get Sky Atlantic, and soon ITV Encore but not in HD, then again VM don't get either in any definition. In addition to that I have quite often had free Sky Sports & Sky Movies as an offer, again something I believe VM customers don't get offered.
Don't get me wrong I am not bashing VM, as I would like to have VM myself as an all in one package, but at the moment Sky just offers that little bit better value for me, with the offers for Sports & Movies, as well as Game of Thrones.
Not true on either count. There are FTV/FTA HD channels available on Sky platform regardless of package taken. If you want subscription HD channels you pay a flat rate with Sky.
With virgin, there are HD channels included in every single tv package that they sell/offer. Even the 'M' package includes HD channels (similar to Sky, these are generally considered FTV/FTA channels).
You get extra HD channels on M+ and then more on L and even more on XL.
Incorrect. The Sky package which contains the HD channels is the same price as XL. You only get Film4 HD and Channel 5 HD extra on the lower packs that aren't FTA (there's no FTV HD channels)
Do you really think they will move Downton to ITV Encore? I don't.
The most I can see is it being shown a week before ITV (1) but I'd be surprised by that tbh. If they do anything like that with Downton they risk a massive upset. There are far more non-Sky subscribers out there than there are Sky subscribers.
The most I think they'd offer if they go down that route would be a 'first look' approach where you watch episode 1 on ITV and then they show episode 2 straight after on Encore meaning that non Sky subscribers will have to wait till the next week for episode 2. If that's the case, no biggie there either.
Plus watch the illegal streaming of the show jump through the roof.
It'd be counter productive in many ways IMO.
that was just an example
I can see them doing it with a lesser drama though. Almost same model as Sky Atlantic in a way.
you got itv3 for old dramas so why would you need Encore as well? to me it's like a premium itv 1.
Obviously the popular stuff stays on ITV1, but I can see slightly lesser content on Encore. Even perhaps run 'early' than ITV 1 in some cases.
I still think channel exclusivity is wrong though.
I am all for multiple channels sharing content like sky sports / bt sport. but one platform one channel.
If there was such a drama on Encore I wanted to watch 'live'. then at present I am stuffed. I hope Now TV carries it then perhaps I stand a chance of watching it.
I have solved my problem with Atlantic as I got a humax youview box now. This offers me Sky Store and Atlantic....
I can see them doing it with a lesser drama though. Almost same model as Sky Atlantic in a way.
you got itv3 for old dramas so why would you need Encore as well? to me it's like a premium itv 1.
Obviously the popular stuff stays on ITV1, but I can see slightly lesser content on Encore. Even perhaps run 'early' than ITV 1 in some cases.
I still think channel exclusivity is wrong though.
I am all for multiple channels sharing content like sky sports / bt sport. but one platform one channel.
If there was such a drama on Encore I wanted to watch 'live'. then at present I am stuffed. I hope Now TV carries it then perhaps I stand a chance of watching it.
I have solved my problem with Atlantic as I got a humax youview box now. This offers me Sky Store and Atlantic....
Not at the moment it doesn't , the YouView box offers Sky Store and Now TV (Movies pass) it currently doesn't offer the entertainment pass however I believe this is on the future roadmap.
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Not at the moment it doesn't , the YouView box offers Sky Store and Now TV (Movies pass) it currently doesn't offer the entertainment pass however I believe this is on the future roadmap.
Incorrect. The Sky package which contains the HD channels is the same price as XL. You only get Film4 HD and Channel 5 HD extra on the lower packs that aren't FTA (there's no FTV HD channels)
What extra channels are included in the Family Pack that are not in the Variety pack (excluding HD variants and Sky 3D)?
Both the Variety and Family packs state they include over 80 subscription channels but the Family also include over 50 HD channels.
If the only difference is the HD variants for linear channels (+3D), then to me, the only difference in price is for the HD package so unless I'm missing something about a load of extra linear channels that are included, I don't think I'm incorrect at all sorry.
M+ & L offer the same. It's two more channels than SKY and those are Channel 5 & Film4. Everything else is in the XL package. Also like Sky with Virgin if you want the subscription HD channels you have to have the top package, just like Sky.
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Virgin have tweaked the packages recently so my info was slightly outdated sorry. To clarify, TV M and More TV come with 10 HD channels (one of which is subscription only - 5 HD). TV M+ and TV L both come with 11 HD channels (two of which are subscription channels - 5 HD and Flim4 HD).
So far that's 4 TV packages that ARE NOT the top package that DO include subscription HD channels. So you don't have to have the top package like you state (albeit only one or two channels).
If you want all of the HD channels (Incl. BT Sports 1 & 2 in HD and ESPN HD), then you need the top package.
You wont be saying that when the next downton abbey is on Encore as an exclusive.....
at the moment its classics, but it does state 'upcoming drama'
OK call it an example now if you want but when you write, "you won't be saying that when downtown abbey is on Itv Encore as an Exclusive", I was left thinking that was a statement of your opinion, not an example
No harm though of course
On the rest of your post re exclusivity etc, I tend to agree but it's inevitable. Companies are always looking for USP's and both Virgin and Sky have many of them.
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Not a good example as Pick is where Sky show old stuff to anybody for no extra charge.
Ian.
ITV Encore starts on the 9th of June and not the 6th, only on Sky, like Sky Atlantic
So a new drama comes on itv. Lol you have to have sky.....
I personally am getting rather fed up of this exclusivity crap.
ITV's channels should be on all platforms. if they wanna go pay then bloody go pay, but stop messing around.
So as long as we get it then, it doesn't bother me. I don't think there are any old ITV dramas on that I fancy watching that I haven't already seen.
On reading you might imagine that some think Sky should behave as if they are an ally of Virgin.
Take Encore starting in June this is a subscription channel arranged between the two companies and as such will hardly be readily available to Virgin as Sky wish to use this as a possible lever to entice people to switch to their service.
Is this not business sense on sky's part?
Personally we have enough channels on virgin already in itv 3 and drama channel ,in my humble opinion. I will stay with virgin every time as at least many HD channels are offered at no extra cost unlike Sky.
You wont be saying that when the next downton abbey is on Encore as an exclusive.....
at the moment its classics, but it does state 'upcoming drama'
Ian.
Not true on either count. There are FTV/FTA HD channels available on Sky platform regardless of package taken. If you want subscription HD channels you pay a flat rate with Sky.
With virgin, there are HD channels included in every single tv package that they sell/offer. Even the 'M' package includes HD channels (similar to Sky, these are generally considered FTV/FTA channels).
You get extra HD channels on M+ and then more on L and even more on XL.
Do you really think they will move Downton to ITV Encore? I don't.
The most I can see is it being shown a week before ITV (1) but I'd be surprised by that tbh. If they do anything like that with Downton they risk a massive upset. There are far more non-Sky subscribers out there than there are Sky subscribers.
The most I think they'd offer if they go down that route would be a 'first look' approach where you watch episode 1 on ITV and then they show episode 2 straight after on Encore meaning that non Sky subscribers will have to wait till the next week for episode 2. If that's the case, no biggie there either.
Plus watch the illegal streaming of the show jump through the roof.
It'd be counter productive in many ways IMO.
M+ & L offer the same. It's two more channels than SKY and those are Channel 5 & Film4. Everything else is in the XL package. Also like Sky with Virgin if you want the subscription HD channels you have to have the top package, just like Sky.
But then again in Sky's basic package you also get Sky Atlantic, and soon ITV Encore but not in HD, then again VM don't get either in any definition. In addition to that I have quite often had free Sky Sports & Sky Movies as an offer, again something I believe VM customers don't get offered.
Don't get me wrong I am not bashing VM, as I would like to have VM myself as an all in one package, but at the moment Sky just offers that little bit better value for me, with the offers for Sports & Movies, as well as Game of Thrones.
Incorrect. The Sky package which contains the HD channels is the same price as XL. You only get Film4 HD and Channel 5 HD extra on the lower packs that aren't FTA (there's no FTV HD channels)
that was just an example
I can see them doing it with a lesser drama though. Almost same model as Sky Atlantic in a way.
you got itv3 for old dramas so why would you need Encore as well? to me it's like a premium itv 1.
Obviously the popular stuff stays on ITV1, but I can see slightly lesser content on Encore. Even perhaps run 'early' than ITV 1 in some cases.
I still think channel exclusivity is wrong though.
I am all for multiple channels sharing content like sky sports / bt sport. but one platform one channel.
If there was such a drama on Encore I wanted to watch 'live'. then at present I am stuffed. I hope Now TV carries it then perhaps I stand a chance of watching it.
I have solved my problem with Atlantic as I got a humax youview box now. This offers me Sky Store and Atlantic....
Not at the moment it doesn't , the YouView box offers Sky Store and Now TV (Movies pass) it currently doesn't offer the entertainment pass however I believe this is on the future roadmap.
Bugger, really?
I guess I have to stick with my nowtv box.....
What extra channels are included in the Family Pack that are not in the Variety pack (excluding HD variants and Sky 3D)?
Sky still refer to their HD package: http://discoversky.sky.com/hdvalue/
Both the Variety and Family packs state they include over 80 subscription channels but the Family also include over 50 HD channels.
If the only difference is the HD variants for linear channels (+3D), then to me, the only difference in price is for the HD package so unless I'm missing something about a load of extra linear channels that are included, I don't think I'm incorrect at all sorry.
Virgin have tweaked the packages recently so my info was slightly outdated sorry. To clarify, TV M and More TV come with 10 HD channels (one of which is subscription only - 5 HD). TV M+ and TV L both come with 11 HD channels (two of which are subscription channels - 5 HD and Flim4 HD).
So far that's 4 TV packages that ARE NOT the top package that DO include subscription HD channels. So you don't have to have the top package like you state (albeit only one or two channels).
If you want all of the HD channels (Incl. BT Sports 1 & 2 in HD and ESPN HD), then you need the top package.
OK call it an example now if you want but when you write, "you won't be saying that when downtown abbey is on Itv Encore as an Exclusive", I was left thinking that was a statement of your opinion, not an example
No harm though of course
On the rest of your post re exclusivity etc, I tend to agree but it's inevitable. Companies are always looking for USP's and both Virgin and Sky have many of them.
What a brilliant idea.
Must cancel VM and join Sky.