..... or theres more popular female artists for members of this forum then there is male.... in which case of course there will be more negetive threads on female artists!
Yes, could be but I think that these threads are up for a bit of content analysis.
Theoretically and anecdotally it's true that 'nothing is for everyone' but one 'fact' I have drawn from these threads is that female artists receive at least twice the amount of negative threads that male artists do.
Jessie J, Cheryl Cole, Celine Dion, Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Beyoncé, Rita Ora have all been the source of negatively posed threads whilst you could only say 1D and Gary Barlow have had negatively posed threads in the same amount of space (about the last 7 pages of threads). That's a 7-2 ratio. Yours above is 7-3.
This suggests to me that posters here are more likely to see a female artist in a negative light than a male one. That's a working theory rather than a fact but I have strong feeling that this biased view of female artists is more prevalent than many would believe.
The OP may be on to something.
I think you're right, however I believe that female artists (generally chart-friendly pop stars) tend to have more threads created about them than male, whether positive OR negative. The chaps don't seem to be swinging it - either with the British public or else the contributors here and I don't take enough notice of the mainstream any more to know whether it's a DS forum thing or a wider phenomenon.
I do feel that most of these charting pop stars are rather marmite; often not especially talented and easy to criticise. When they combine huge success with 'annoying behaviour' they seem to come under harder scrutiny than say rock musicians who seem to have a free pass to do pretty much as they please because they pick up guitars and are more credible with the hipsters.
I think bad behaviour in a woman is still more taboo than in a male who will simply be branded a 'bad-boy' and hence; desirable. The press panders to these ideas too.
Having said that I seem to hear more people deridng Kanye West on personality that any other contemporary artist.
I don't understand why there's this thread saying Celine Dion isn't popular or well liked, maybe by some obviously but her continued success as an artist speaks for itself really.
She's in her 3rd year residency at Caesars palace in Las Vegas for starters, performing in a 4, 300 seat state of the art venue. http://www.celineinvegas.com/show.php
Celine is also at #7 in the 100 richest singers in the world list, for people to say she isn't commercially successful is laughable. http://www.therichest.com/top-lists/top-100-richest-singers/
I don't understand why there's this thread saying Celine Dion isn't popular or well liked, maybe by some obviously but her continued success as an artist speaks for itself really.
She's in her 3rd year residency at Caesars palace in Las Vegas for starters, performing in a 4, 300 seat state of the art venue. http://www.celineinvegas.com/show.php
Celine is also at #7 in the 100 richest singers in the world list, for people to say she isn't commercially successful is laughable. http://www.therichest.com/top-lists/top-100-richest-singers/
read the thread...theres plenty here who cannot stand her.
pointing to her world wide appeal (which isnt in doubt) doesnt alter the fact that generally shes not liked by british music fans. thats not saying she hasnt got a fan base.... westlife have too but that doesnt mean they are liked by the majority.
bland artists like celine attract alot of attention from 'squares' who have little time, liking, or knowlege of pop music (in all its forms) fair enough, not everybody likes pop music. but ask the people who DO have a broad knowlege, interest and liking of pop music....i bet they will dislike her too.
read the thread...theres plenty here who cannot stand her.
pointing to her world wide appeal (which isnt in doubt) doesnt alter the fact that generally shes not liked by british music fans. thats not saying she hasnt got a fan base.... westlife have too but that doesnt mean they are liked by the majority.
bland artists like celine attract alot of attention from 'squares' who have little time, liking, or knowlege of pop music (in all its forms) fair enough, not everybody likes pop music. but ask the people who DO have a broad knowlege, interest and liking of pop music....i bet they will dislike her too.
All your post seems to be telling me is that you're an arrogant, pompous know it all, who seems to think you know what everyone else is thinking and what they're thinking is totally wrong.
Your opinion is yours alone, don't speak for other people and don't patronise or insult me by insinuating my knowledge of music and what I like, or my opinion is worthless because it's not as good and expert as you think yours is.
All your post seems to be telling me is that you're an arrogant, pompous know it all, who seems to think you know what everyone else is thinking and what they're thinking is totally wrong.
Your opinion is yours alone, don't speak for other people and don't patronise or insult me by insinuating my knowledge of music and what I like, or my opinion is worthless because it's not as good and expert as you think yours is.
I think you're right, however I believe that female artists (generally chart-friendly pop stars) tend to have more threads created about them than male, whether positive OR negative. The chaps don't seem to be swinging it - either with the British public or else the contributors here and I don't take enough notice of the mainstream any more to know whether it's a DS forum thing or a wider phenomenon.
I do feel that most of these charting pop stars are rather marmite; often not especially talented and easy to criticise. When they combine huge success with 'annoying behaviour' they seem to come under harder scrutiny than say rock musicians who seem to have a free pass to do pretty much as they please because they pick up guitars and are more credible with the hipsters.
I think bad behaviour in a woman is still more taboo than in a male who will simply be branded a 'bad-boy' and hence; desirable. The press panders to these ideas too.
Having said that I seem to hear more people deridng Kanye West on personality that any other contemporary artist.
And I don't think anyone gets more hate on here (and probably anywhere else as well) than Justin Bieber
I don't think that she is disliked in general. The reasons why I don't listen to her are :
I find her music boring
I don't like the sound of her voice
I don't think she is as good as Mariah and Whitney
On a side note I don't know what shape her voice is in these days because she lip syncs a lot.
However I think the fact that she is French Canadian, i. E not American and English isn't her first Language has counted against her in the eyes of the general public.
Subjectively is say that it's also due to her voice not being on the same level as Mariah and Whitney.
My reasons for disliking her are as follows...
Her wailing voice
Her feigning of emotion
Her songs
Her sense of style
Her blandness
Her personality
Her ego
Her facial expressions
Her neck
Her crappy cover versions My heart will go on, drives me up the wall…and i bet every funeral director in the world hates it as well as they must have to listen to it at least twice a day.
Also not a fan of the film titanic, so i dislike her through association.
I don't think that she is disliked in general. The reasons why I don't listen to her are :
I find her music boring
I don't like the sound of her voice
I don't think she is as good as Mariah and Whitney
On a side note I don't know what shape her voice is in these days because she lip syncs a lot.
However I think the fact that she is French Canadian, i. E not American and English isn't her first Language has counted against her in the eyes of the general public.
Subjectively is say that it's also due to her voice not being on the same level as Mariah and Whitney.
Objectively its the French Canadian thing.
Think you will find there are quite a few people who have no love for those two either .
Just to reiterate a point I made earlier some people just do not like Technical Singers. She has voice but no heart and for many that is major turn off.
Add to the fact she is so not cool and quite MOR doesn't help.
In the long run does she give a crap with her many million and sell out shows .
It's like Phil Collins for some reason especially in the UK he is just seen as uncool
Think you will find there are quite a few people who have no love for those two either .
Indeed. They're both the sort of no heart, soul or passion singers that I can't stand. Shame that Whitney released the bland corporate watered down dirges that she did because she definitely had the talent to do so much more as some of her later material showed glimpses of.
If anyone dislikes Celine it's cause she's just too darn good! Though her music is hardly what you would call 'cool'.
No, it's because her voice, while technically good, has nothing exciting, interesting or passionate about it. For me, a great vocalist is about making the hairs on my arms stand up, not making sure all the boxes are ticked and every note is hit at the expense of soul and heart
Indeed. They're both the sort of no heart, soul or passion singers that I can't stand. Shame that Whitney released the bland corporate watered down dirges that she did because she definitely had the talent to do so much more as some of her later material showed glimpses of.
No, it's because her voice, while technically good, has nothing exciting, interesting or passionate about it. For me, a great vocalist is about making the hairs on my arms stand up, not making sure all the boxes are ticked and every note is hit at the expense of soul and heart
Is the sound of an artist's voice not just one element of the quality of an artists's work?
For me pop music is mainly about great songs.
I find that Aretha Franklin performing 'I Say a Little Prayer for You' makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck (rather than arms) and so does Ian Curtis/Joy Division performing 'Atmosphere'. The quality of the singing is very different but the quality of the songs is comparable.
In the end it is the quality of the material that makes an artist. And that's probably where Celine Dion suffers a bit.
They seem really happy. I met him once, he's a lovely unassuming bloke. Much nicer than you appear to be that's for sure.
As for Celine. I would definitely say the material she has been given/decided to do has been the biggest problem. She has played it too safe. I think a lot of people believe the "nicey nicey" persona is an act too but you will always get that. Oh she can't possibly be that rich, successful and nice at the same time, as if such a thing doesn't exist.
because her songs are dreadful ear filth simple as
not saying she cannot sing, but don't like her style of singing and the dreadful songs she performs - especially that horrendous duet she did with Babara Streisand - arrrgghhh (Babs what were you thinking???:o)
She leaves me a bit cold for some reason, but I do like some of her songs.
I don't think she's disliked though. There was an understandable backlash against My Heart Will Go On but her shows in Las Vegas did very well so she's obviously still a respected artist.
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I'd say she was commercially successful.
Yes, could be but I think that these threads are up for a bit of content analysis.
I think you're right, however I believe that female artists (generally chart-friendly pop stars) tend to have more threads created about them than male, whether positive OR negative. The chaps don't seem to be swinging it - either with the British public or else the contributors here and I don't take enough notice of the mainstream any more to know whether it's a DS forum thing or a wider phenomenon.
I do feel that most of these charting pop stars are rather marmite; often not especially talented and easy to criticise. When they combine huge success with 'annoying behaviour' they seem to come under harder scrutiny than say rock musicians who seem to have a free pass to do pretty much as they please because they pick up guitars and are more credible with the hipsters.
I think bad behaviour in a woman is still more taboo than in a male who will simply be branded a 'bad-boy' and hence; desirable. The press panders to these ideas too.
Having said that I seem to hear more people deridng Kanye West on personality that any other contemporary artist.
She's in her 3rd year residency at Caesars palace in Las Vegas for starters, performing in a 4, 300 seat state of the art venue.
http://www.celineinvegas.com/show.php
Celine is also at #7 in the 100 richest singers in the world list, for people to say she isn't commercially successful is laughable.
http://www.therichest.com/top-lists/top-100-richest-singers/
read the thread...theres plenty here who cannot stand her.
pointing to her world wide appeal (which isnt in doubt) doesnt alter the fact that generally shes not liked by british music fans. thats not saying she hasnt got a fan base.... westlife have too but that doesnt mean they are liked by the majority.
bland artists like celine attract alot of attention from 'squares' who have little time, liking, or knowlege of pop music (in all its forms) fair enough, not everybody likes pop music. but ask the people who DO have a broad knowlege, interest and liking of pop music....i bet they will dislike her too.
All your post seems to be telling me is that you're an arrogant, pompous know it all, who seems to think you know what everyone else is thinking and what they're thinking is totally wrong.
Your opinion is yours alone, don't speak for other people and don't patronise or insult me by insinuating my knowledge of music and what I like, or my opinion is worthless because it's not as good and expert as you think yours is.
ooh...touched a nerve there, lol.
And I don't think anyone gets more hate on here (and probably anywhere else as well) than Justin Bieber
I find her music boring
I don't like the sound of her voice
I don't think she is as good as Mariah and Whitney
On a side note I don't know what shape her voice is in these days because she lip syncs a lot.
However I think the fact that she is French Canadian, i. E not American and English isn't her first Language has counted against her in the eyes of the general public.
Subjectively is say that it's also due to her voice not being on the same level as Mariah and Whitney.
Objectively its the French Canadian thing.
Just a little, but that was yesterday and today I'm fine.:D
You forgot her cryptkeeper older husband
Think you will find there are quite a few people who have no love for those two either .
This ^^.
Add to the fact she is so not cool and quite MOR doesn't help.
In the long run does she give a crap with her many million and sell out shows .
It's like Phil Collins for some reason especially in the UK he is just seen as uncool
no...its because we dont like her material, voice, etc etc etc.
Indeed. They're both the sort of no heart, soul or passion singers that I can't stand. Shame that Whitney released the bland corporate watered down dirges that she did because she definitely had the talent to do so much more as some of her later material showed glimpses of.
No, it's because her voice, while technically good, has nothing exciting, interesting or passionate about it. For me, a great vocalist is about making the hairs on my arms stand up, not making sure all the boxes are ticked and every note is hit at the expense of soul and heart
Is the sound of an artist's voice not just one element of the quality of an artists's work?
For me pop music is mainly about great songs.
I find that Aretha Franklin performing 'I Say a Little Prayer for You' makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck (rather than arms) and so does Ian Curtis/Joy Division performing 'Atmosphere'. The quality of the singing is very different but the quality of the songs is comparable.
In the end it is the quality of the material that makes an artist. And that's probably where Celine Dion suffers a bit.
They seem really happy. I met him once, he's a lovely unassuming bloke. Much nicer than you appear to be that's for sure.
As for Celine. I would definitely say the material she has been given/decided to do has been the biggest problem. She has played it too safe. I think a lot of people believe the "nicey nicey" persona is an act too but you will always get that. Oh she can't possibly be that rich, successful and nice at the same time, as if such a thing doesn't exist.
not saying she cannot sing, but don't like her style of singing and the dreadful songs she performs - especially that horrendous duet she did with Babara Streisand - arrrgghhh (Babs what were you thinking???:o)
I don't think she's disliked though. There was an understandable backlash against My Heart Will Go On but her shows in Las Vegas did very well so she's obviously still a respected artist.