It's not Andys drop which surprised me. It was Marias.
Fair enough. I've got to admit, I struggle more with the women's ranking than the men's. Partly because there are more tools to help you understand the current situation, and where each active player's points come from. It's all very easy to find on the ATP website. I also like that ATP tournament levels are described according to how many points are available.
A lot of people do seem to be confused by Andy's drop, or simply put it down to one bad tournament. I read someone on twitter claim it's madness that he's behind Ferrer and Raonic, when they've never won a slam. It's a strange mix of people thinking ranking should reflect your overall career, and people who think it's about recent form.
Delpo is defending 500 points in Washington, so he'll drop behind Murray when those points come off, and will start to slide fairly fast with every further tournament missed. It will be interesting to see where he is by the time he returns. But he's fought his way back once before, so I'm sure he'll do it again.
I didn't see either (out of my control), so I'm wary of saying too much, but I agree. It's easy to under-estimate the value of having 'been there, done that'. My sympathy is slightly limited, as Genie's projects quite a hard image, deliberately. I admire that, and she has a lot of justified hype, but a lot of hype based on her looks and youth. I think Saturday's loss will ground her a bit, and be good for her in the long-term.
I had to follow the men's final on social media, which was obviously a bit more unpredictable! It sounds like it was a great match, but I was reading a lot of complaints that the crowd were far too one-sided, included a lot of the royal box. I think everyone, including Novak, understood a biased crowd last year, and how much the Brits and a great many neutrals wanted a British winner after all those years.
The vibe I got was that this year it was plain rude to the point of being a bit awkward. Not so much the cheering for Roger, but the muted response to brilliant rallies won by Novak. Roger winning again would have been amazing, but he has won an awful lot, and Novak needed the win more. For him to lose another final would have been devastating.
I'm not brave enough to read back, so hopefully that was an exaggeration.
Have to say I didn't notice this at all. He's never going to get as much support as Fed but I thought the crowd were ok yesterday. I've certainly seen him play with a lot less support. As seansnotmyname said, he's gaining support albeit slowly - as witnessed at the FO presentation.
It's taken me a while to digest yesterday's result because after such a terrific fightback from Roger it all seemed to be over very quickly in the end. I've gone through all kinds of emotions and was at one time blaming Novak for gamesmanship with his injury breaks. But now the dust has settled I have to admit that overall Novak played slightly better than Roger and deserved his victory - so well done Novak! It was close though, wasn't it. And I'm proud to be a Roger fan right now. Not a bad performance from an "old man". I don't think he's planning to retire any time soon, and I for one hope he's not. There will be a huge gap in the tennis world for me when he does.
Unfortunately I had unexpected visitors turn up hallway though set 4, so was only able to watch with one eye on the TV and not really appreciating what was happening. Had to catch up on that set later thus losing the momentum of the match - something the BBC expect you to do all the time when they suddenly decide to switch matches!
Anyway, bravo to both Novak and Roger for providing us with a truly thrilling match - the kind you don't get to see that often.
It's taken me a while to digest yesterday's result because after such a terrific fightback from Roger it all seemed to be over very quickly in the end. I've gone through all kinds of emotions and was at one time blaming Novak for gamesmanship with his injury breaks. But now the dust has settled I have to admit that overall Novak played slightly better than Roger and deserved his victory - so well done Novak! It was close though, wasn't it. And I'm proud to be a Roger fan right now. Not a bad performance from an "old man". I don't think he's planning to retire any time soon, and I for one hope he's not. There will be a huge gap in the tennis world for me when he does.
Unfortunately I had unexpected visitors turn up hallway though set 4, so was only able to watch with one eye on the TV and not really appreciating what was happening. Had to catch up on that set later thus losing the momentum of the match - something the BBC expect you to do all the time when they suddenly decide to switch matches!
Anyway, bravo to both Novak and Roger for providing us with a truly thrilling match - the kind you don't get to see that often.
Oh no that must have been so annoying. Could you not pretend you were out?
I know it's incredibly rude but I think would have had to be honest and say I simply couldn't miss it. I suppose it depends who it was though. But you don't turn up at a tennis fan's house in the middle of the Wimbledon final. It's like turning up in the middle of the World Cup final - you just don't do things like that.
Oh no that must have been so annoying. Could you not pretend you were out?
I know it's incredibly rude but I think would have had to be honest and say I simply couldn't miss it. I suppose it depends who it was though. But you don't turn up at a tennis fan's house in the middle of the Wimbledon final. It's like turning up in the middle of the World Cup final - you just don't do things like that.
A then new friend invited me for lunch on the Sunday of the 2008 Wimbledon final. She was astonished and shocked that I politely declined citing the tennis.... She now knows me well enough to not make that mistake again. Although she still calls Rafa, "Raf".:D
Oh no that must have been so annoying. Could you not pretend you were out?
I know it's incredibly rude but I think would have had to be honest and say I simply couldn't miss it. I suppose it depends who it was though. But you don't turn up at a tennis fan's house in the middle of the Wimbledon final. It's like turning up in the middle of the World Cup final - you just don't do things like that.
Some people just do NOT understand though. I did keep one eye on the tennis which was rather unsatisfactory. Watching the match back afterwards when you know the result is just not the same
Unfortunately I had unexpected visitors turn up hallway though set 4, so was only able to watch with one eye on the TV and not really appreciating what was happening. Had to catch up on that set later thus losing the momentum of the match - something the BBC expect you to do all the time when they suddenly decide to switch matches!
Anyway, bravo to both Novak and Roger for providing us with a truly thrilling match - the kind you don't get to see that often.
NOOOOO. You lock all the doors, pretend you're not in.....anything. I once let a non tennis friend stay during the US Open. I still haven't recovered but it will never happen again
I feel your pain.
Maybe not - but I bet it is celebrity free. It is a part of Wimbledon I really dislike and I wish they would stop it. They won't but I wish they would. I don't mind former great tennis players being invited as they have contributed to the good of the sport but outside of that no. What the heck as Jack Nicklaus done for tennis? I know he was a top golfer in his day but what does he do for tennis. I know Sir Chris Hoy was a great cyclist but again what he does he do for tennis - or is he really that interested?
I really doubt that 95% of these so called celebrities that are invited have any real interest in the sport let alone do anything for grass roots tennis. I don't mean to come across as bitter and I know that is just the way it is - but still.
Has it ever occurred to Wimbledon to invite ordinary people who volunteer to give up their time for the good of their club and to to help the grass roots of the game across this country or in anyway help the sport? This a bit like what the FA do when they invite volunteers or give a supply of tickets to the FA Cup Final each year who help the grass roots of football. But then again these people don't really do it for any personal reward so even if they were invited they may not necessarily accept. But it would be an improvement than Ellie Goulding, Pippa Middleton and the like.
Some people just do NOT understand though. I did keep one eye on the tennis which was rather unsatisfactory. Watching the match back afterwards when you know the result is just not the same
You're too kind. I simply would have ignored the door, even if it was obvious someone was home. People really should phone first before descending on folks.
Maybe not - but I bet it is celebrity free. It is a part of Wimbledon I really dislike and I wish they would stop it. They won't but I wish they would. I don't mind former great tennis players being invited as they have contributed to the good of the sport but outside of that no. What the heck as Jack Nicklaus done for tennis? I know he was a top golfer in his day but what does he do for tennis. I know Sir Chris Hoy was a great cyclist but again what he does he do for tennis - or is he really that interested?
I really doubt that 95% of these so called celebrities that are invited have any real interest in the sport let alone do anything for grass roots tennis. I don't mean to come across as bitter and I know that is just the way it is - but still.
Has it ever occurred to Wimbledon to invite ordinary people who volunteer to give up their time for the good of their club and to to help the grass roots of the game across this country or in anyway help the sport? This a bit like what the FA do when they invite volunteers or give a supply of tickets to the FA Cup Final each year who help the grass roots of football. But then again these people don't really do it for any personal reward so even if they were invited they may not necessarily accept. But it would be an improvement than Ellie Goulding, Pippa Middleton and the like.
Spot on.
Put celebrities on there who ARE doing something for the game like Tony Hawkes whose Tennisforfree.com is providing FREE tennis for kids across the country on public park courts every Saturday morning.
Of course, to recognise Hawkes would show up the LTA and the AELTC who should be doing this.
While the tournament is without doubt the greatest in the game, the AELTC is the personification of elitism which bubbles underneath the surface of the sport in this country.
Put celebrities on there who ARE doing something for the game like Tony Hawkes whose Tennisforfree.com is providing FREE tennis for kids across the country on public park courts every Saturday morning.
Of course, to recognise Hawkes would show up the LTA and the AELTC who should be doing this.
While the tournament is without doubt the greatest in the game, the AELTC is the personification of elitism which bubbles underneath the surface of the sport in this country.
It's not bubbling under it's totally blatant. It makes my blood boil every year.
You're too kind. I simply would have ignored the door, even if it was obvious someone was home. People really should phone first before descending on folks.
^This. I wouldn't dream of turning up at someone's house without arranging it first.
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It's not bubbling under it's totally blatant. It makes my blood boil every year.
Indeed, Smude.
But I think I had what I've seen and heard at / in tennis clubs in mind with the words 'bubbles underneath' an example of which is the number of times I heard at the David Lloyd Club the phrase, 'This club isn't what it used to be based on the type of people they let in now'.
After 14 years coaching the kids there, I probably knew more people from the huge membership there (in 1,000's) than anyone and I used to rack my brains as to who these awful people were.
Maybe not - but I bet it is celebrity free. It is a part of Wimbledon I really dislike and I wish they would stop it. They won't but I wish they would. I don't mind former great tennis players being invited as they have contributed to the good of the sport but outside of that no. What the heck as Jack Nicklaus done for tennis? I know he was a top golfer in his day but what does he do for tennis. I know Sir Chris Hoy was a great cyclist but again what he does he do for tennis - or is he really that interested?
I really doubt that 95% of these so called celebrities that are invited have any real interest in the sport let alone do anything for grass roots tennis. I don't mean to come across as bitter and I know that is just the way it is - but still.
Has it ever occurred to Wimbledon to invite ordinary people who volunteer to give up their time for the good of their club and to to help the grass roots of the game across this country or in anyway help the sport? This a bit like what the FA do when they invite volunteers or give a supply of tickets to the FA Cup Final each year who help the grass roots of football. But then again these people don't really do it for any personal reward so even if they were invited they may not necessarily accept. But it would be an improvement than Ellie Goulding, Pippa Middleton and the like.
Agree.
It is great to see the great players (of tennis!) from the past in the box, though. Even the very recent past like Marion.
Unless you're a Brit, last year's men's final was a bit of a damp squib - straights sets with Novak hardly making a challenge. It wasn't sets won to love but it was all one way traffic and no one complained about that being a boring match.
It was straight sets, and Andy was consistently better, but there were a few shifts in momentum with Djokovic being a break up etc. With Andy and Nole being the two best returners in the game, there were precious few easy service games. There was always the sense that a break could come at any time.
Roger took his loss so well yesterday, thought he would have been more down than he appeared.
As he sat by the umpire's chair, he looked up and saw his two daughters sat on the ledge of the players box, both pointing out their Daddy on the court. He seemed to look up, see them and got a bit emotional, then pulled himself together for the trophy presentation.
That single tear is quite poignant ...... but as I've said before he has the perfect family and no Wimbledon title will ever get better than that. ;-)
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Someone got one of my references, I feel strangely proud
Yeah, the fact is you shouldn't trust the ATP press release as being up to date.
Rafa has met the cut-off point, and did so before Novak. The person who claimed Rafa had qualified was correct.
Fair enough. I've got to admit, I struggle more with the women's ranking than the men's. Partly because there are more tools to help you understand the current situation, and where each active player's points come from. It's all very easy to find on the ATP website. I also like that ATP tournament levels are described according to how many points are available.
A lot of people do seem to be confused by Andy's drop, or simply put it down to one bad tournament. I read someone on twitter claim it's madness that he's behind Ferrer and Raonic, when they've never won a slam. It's a strange mix of people thinking ranking should reflect your overall career, and people who think it's about recent form.
Delpo is defending 500 points in Washington, so he'll drop behind Murray when those points come off, and will start to slide fairly fast with every further tournament missed. It will be interesting to see where he is by the time he returns. But he's fought his way back once before, so I'm sure he'll do it again.
Have to say I didn't notice this at all. He's never going to get as much support as Fed but I thought the crowd were ok yesterday. I've certainly seen him play with a lot less support. As seansnotmyname said, he's gaining support albeit slowly - as witnessed at the FO presentation.
Unfortunately I had unexpected visitors turn up hallway though set 4, so was only able to watch with one eye on the TV and not really appreciating what was happening. Had to catch up on that set later thus losing the momentum of the match - something the BBC expect you to do all the time when they suddenly decide to switch matches!
Anyway, bravo to both Novak and Roger for providing us with a truly thrilling match - the kind you don't get to see that often.
Oh no that must have been so annoying. Could you not pretend you were out?
I know it's incredibly rude but I think would have had to be honest and say I simply couldn't miss it. I suppose it depends who it was though. But you don't turn up at a tennis fan's house in the middle of the Wimbledon final. It's like turning up in the middle of the World Cup final - you just don't do things like that.
Ouch!:o Confucius say "When the Orange god arrives the Reds will revive" ...or something like that...:D
Sure that pic is meant to be Saurez....;-)
A then new friend invited me for lunch on the Sunday of the 2008 Wimbledon final. She was astonished and shocked that I politely declined citing the tennis....
Some people just do NOT understand though. I did keep one eye on the tennis which was rather unsatisfactory. Watching the match back afterwards when you know the result is just not the same
I see I missed most of the annual debate about equal pay
I feel your pain.
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/tramlines/heartbreaking-single-tear-federer-emotion-defeat-100609617.html
Maybe not - but I bet it is celebrity free. It is a part of Wimbledon I really dislike and I wish they would stop it. They won't but I wish they would. I don't mind former great tennis players being invited as they have contributed to the good of the sport but outside of that no. What the heck as Jack Nicklaus done for tennis? I know he was a top golfer in his day but what does he do for tennis. I know Sir Chris Hoy was a great cyclist but again what he does he do for tennis - or is he really that interested?
I really doubt that 95% of these so called celebrities that are invited have any real interest in the sport let alone do anything for grass roots tennis. I don't mean to come across as bitter and I know that is just the way it is - but still.
Has it ever occurred to Wimbledon to invite ordinary people who volunteer to give up their time for the good of their club and to to help the grass roots of the game across this country or in anyway help the sport? This a bit like what the FA do when they invite volunteers or give a supply of tickets to the FA Cup Final each year who help the grass roots of football. But then again these people don't really do it for any personal reward so even if they were invited they may not necessarily accept. But it would be an improvement than Ellie Goulding, Pippa Middleton and the like.
You're too kind. I simply would have ignored the door, even if it was obvious someone was home. People really should phone first before descending on folks.
Spot on.
Put celebrities on there who ARE doing something for the game like Tony Hawkes whose Tennisforfree.com is providing FREE tennis for kids across the country on public park courts every Saturday morning.
Of course, to recognise Hawkes would show up the LTA and the AELTC who should be doing this.
While the tournament is without doubt the greatest in the game, the AELTC is the personification of elitism which bubbles underneath the surface of the sport in this country.
It's not bubbling under it's totally blatant. It makes my blood boil every year.
^This. I wouldn't dream of turning up at someone's house without arranging it first.
Indeed, Smude.
But I think I had what I've seen and heard at / in tennis clubs in mind with the words 'bubbles underneath' an example of which is the number of times I heard at the David Lloyd Club the phrase, 'This club isn't what it used to be based on the type of people they let in now'.
After 14 years coaching the kids there, I probably knew more people from the huge membership there (in 1,000's) than anyone and I used to rack my brains as to who these awful people were.
Agree.
It is great to see the great players (of tennis!) from the past in the box, though. Even the very recent past like Marion.
Well it was 50% good but that was all on one side of the net.
Would be wrong to judge a tournament by one match. There were some wonderful ones over the fortnight. Just a bit crap when the final match is a dud.
Andy's one of the 8 on the billboards (which are based on the current rankings). Would be a shame for the promoters if he stuffed up.
Roger took his loss so well yesterday, thought he would have been more down than he appeared.
As he sat by the umpire's chair, he looked up and saw his two daughters sat on the ledge of the players box, both pointing out their Daddy on the court. He seemed to look up, see them and got a bit emotional, then pulled himself together for the trophy presentation.
That single tear is quite poignant
Charlene and Myla ar so so cute.:kitty: