The idiot bouncer didn't think through the consequence of his actions, also probably didn't expect the cotton wool to be heavily saturated with an accelerant, I'm not victim blaming, but when he went outside for a cigarette there was a possibility he could have ignited himself. He was basically wearing a suit made from gun cotton.
The bouncer should have been charged with Lambslaghter.
The Sheepy guy should not mix hairspray and cotton wool again, ever, then go on the piss.
If he'd have done this to himself most of us would be calling Darwin award.
Whereas setting fire to someone is revolting I think making a sheep costume out of cotton wool balls and spraying it with hairspray was just a bit odd, especially as he was smoking while wearing it, he could have set fire to himself.
When I read this story I thought it had taken a long time to get to court, I remember this happened years ago. Did a Google search and it turned out to be a different case. The man in that case was dressed in a home made Larry the Lamb costume and he was rescued by a man dressed as Jesus.
Another complete and moronic idiot gets jailed. Honestly, these people aren't fit to be on the streets. I am actually wondering though if he's mentally ill or something.
Immature bouncer + Guy who covers himself in cotton wool and highly inflammable hairspray to go clubbing = sad outcome. It was not premeditated assault, but it was reckless (and arson). 18 months seems right.
Immature bouncer + Guy who covers himself in cotton wool and highly inflammable hairspray to go clubbing = sad outcome. It was not premeditated assault, but it was reckless (and arson). 18 months seems right.
Bit flabbergasted at people saying this, if someone sets light to someone deliberately, causing them extreme pain for months leaving them horrendously scarred 18 months is no way near enough.
Bit flabbergasted at people saying this, if someone sets light to someone deliberately, causing them extreme pain for months leaving them horrendously scarred 18 months is no way near enough.
The legal system requires the concept of mens rea to convict against a particular charge. It would be quite difficult to prove that the bouncer could have reasonably expected to know that alighting someone's fancy dress costume would so quickly lead to an horrific fireball with devastating consequences. He would certainly have not expected it to be made out of an accelerant. And there is no evidence to suggest that he bore any grudge to have wanted the victim killed or even severely injured. Therefore, it must be assumed that it was a foolish and criminally dangerous prank that had unexpected outcome for the victim, rather than a premeditated attempt to cause severe pain.
Crimes are sentenced on their criminality and intention, not the randomness of the outcome.
18 months! I think this is one of the rare occasions when I want to scream, "Throw away the key!" Not really, but that short sentence takes the piss, even it was done by accident (seems like a strange accident to ignite a lighter near someone´s clothes inside a club, as presumably smoking is banned there...I know lighters might still be used in cocktail making, food prep. or lighting candles but that doesn´t seem to have been the case here?)
People sometimes seem to find it hard to grasp why you can't have an offence of attempted manslaughter. (Which would require the rather brain-melting demonstration that someone had intended to not intend to kill someone.)
18 months seems shortish to me, and I am nearly always on the liberal side in these matters. Even without the accelerant, and even if he only intended to make the man jump and give him a fright, it was a horribly dangerous and reckless thing to do. In 2011, someone got 4 years for posting "Let's have a riot in Latchford!" on facebook. I would definitely swap these two sentences over and a bit more (and less, respectively).
When I read this story I thought it had taken a long time to get to court, I remember this happened years ago. Did a Google search and it turned out to be a different case. The man in that case was dressed in a home made Larry the Lamb costume and he was rescued by a man dressed as Jesus.
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The bouncer should have been charged with Lambslaghter.
The Sheepy guy should not mix hairspray and cotton wool again, ever, then go on the piss.
If he'd have done this to himself most of us would be calling Darwin award.
Not excusing the bouncer, callous thing to do.
I wish I could have as many posts as you. I should stay in more
We treat violent crime far too leniently in this country.
I find that disgusting.
I doubt you'd be laughing if it had happened to a woman.
They could be looking for a reaction. After all, we can't even tell them what we think to their face.
The legal system requires the concept of mens rea to convict against a particular charge. It would be quite difficult to prove that the bouncer could have reasonably expected to know that alighting someone's fancy dress costume would so quickly lead to an horrific fireball with devastating consequences. He would certainly have not expected it to be made out of an accelerant. And there is no evidence to suggest that he bore any grudge to have wanted the victim killed or even severely injured. Therefore, it must be assumed that it was a foolish and criminally dangerous prank that had unexpected outcome for the victim, rather than a premeditated attempt to cause severe pain.
Crimes are sentenced on their criminality and intention, not the randomness of the outcome.
Hopefully he's feeling a bit sheepish about it now.
I have to agree. I don't see any mention in that article at all which would have suggested he deliberately set him on fire.
Does anyone know any more about this? How did the police come to the conclusion he did it on purpose and it wasn't a stupid accident?
18 months seems shortish to me, and I am nearly always on the liberal side in these matters. Even without the accelerant, and even if he only intended to make the man jump and give him a fright, it was a horribly dangerous and reckless thing to do. In 2011, someone got 4 years for posting "Let's have a riot in Latchford!" on facebook. I would definitely swap these two sentences over and a bit more (and less, respectively).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331521/Partygoer-dressed-Larry-Lamb-saved-Jesus-set-alight.html You have to smile a bit at the Jesus bit, and him saying that "I'm not a religious man but the lord saved me that day." But again, he basically wore a costume made of fibres held together with an accelerant, then wisely INVITED a friend to set fire to a bit.